Today was awful, but maybe this cheers some people up.
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Today was awful, but maybe this cheers some people up.
Is this good?
I want Gibson. Maybe the Lions might make the playoffs. This fall is sucking ass right now.
Wasn't even going to be an option. Don't know why you were getting your hopes up about him.
Between how him and Trammel were treated last time they were here, and how he manages today, I don't understand why everyone has thought he was a serious candidate
Do you wanted 162 games of unnecessary roughness?
Some wins would be nice though.
Thankfully you didn't get your wish.
Seriously, Gibson is awful, if he never played for the Tigers nobody would be calling for him.
He still believe grit is important lol.
Gibson is the kind of manager who burns out his team after a few years without doing better than being above average.
I was under the assumption that Gibby was under contract with Arizona for 2-3 more seasons. Plus who's to say Ausmus wont be a good manager? I trust Dombrowski's hiring ability more than some armchair GM's.
Let's give Brad Ausmus a chance before he's written off. As Michigan fans we should know with Rich Rod what happens when you write a coach/manager off before they even get a chance.
Will he take back his old number from Andy Dirks?
unless the Andy Dirks of 2012 shows up in Florida. The 2013 version of Dirks was a black hole in the batting order.
I was really expecting Gibson, but honestly Ausmus seems to have a good resume and was sought after elsewhere, so hopefully he works out.
Why were you expecting Gibson after Arizona said they wouldn't let him out of his contract.
What are you trying to do, distract everyone from complaining about the Michigan game?!!!
For those that may not understand my reference. It is from the movie Up. Everytime someone wanted to distract the dogs, they would yell squirrel! This was meant in a joking reference to the Michigan thread meltdowns and this thread offering a distraction to those.
Ausmus seems like an ok hire, but I don't know enough about him as a manager yet!
That's a big step up for him from his last job managing nothing ever. I hope he turns out to be a great manager, and everybody starts somewhere, but man talk about starting at the top. I have no idea how this is going to turn out.
Double post, woot! Hope that's good luck for him.
Though he is a former catcher, who seem to fit into the managerial role pretty well. Not sure how this will turn out.
But when the tigers went on their historically run to try lose every single game, who was their catcher again? Sounds like the tigers are getting a winner.
has nothing to do with their managerial skills. Clown move bro
Sounds like you need to go to sleep.
Not sure if that is what you're implying, but he was traded in 2001. 2003 was the year you're talking about. Ausmus was a solid big league catcher.
1. It wasn't Brad Ausmus.
2. That's seriously the most retarded logic one can employ. Think before you post something completely moronic.
Brandon Inge and Matt Walbeck.
Also, maybe your dumb ass should go check out what a Hall-of-Fame caliber player Sparky Anderson was.
Brandon Inge was the catcher in 2003.
You do realize that talent as a professional as no correlation with how good of a coach/manager you are. Isiah Thomas was a great NBA coach wasn't he?
Joe Maddon - former minor league catcher, never made it past single A ball.
Terry Francona - former 1b/of from 1981-1990; career .274 avg 16 hr, 143 rbi
Mike Matheny - former catcher from 1994-2006; career .239 avg 67 hr 443 rbi
John Farrell - former pitcher from 1987-1996; career 36-46 4.56 era
Guess those guys cant manage. They had shitty careers.
There's probably an inverse correlation, to be honest. Marginal big-leaguers have innate experience in maximizing a minimal amount of talent. Star players for whom everything came easier will have tough time imparting the hows and whys to anyone but fellow stars. Ted Williams was a famously lousy hitting coach. He had such a natural swing that he couldn't teach others how to do the same because he never had to actually learn.
Excellent post. There are very few examples of great players who turned into good coaches. The only example I can think of is Larry Bird who did decent coaching and pretty well in the front office. But, he wasn't naturally a great athlete.
What I was getting at was that because he wasn't a hall of famer doesn't mean that he can't be a great mlb manager. However I get what you're saying. I don't want to sell the great players short in saying they somehow don't try as hard because it "comes easier".
Just saw this. Very interesting, at least it keeps our mind off of today.
reputation, a real "up and comer" as they say. Former Tiger is a plus, obviously lack of experience a negative. Interesting if true since an interview I saw had Dombrowski go out of his way to express he preferred experience.
They just can't stay away from that guy.
Ausmus was catcher for that year I believe it was Inge and Malusky who they traded Ausmus for him and Roger Cedeno the year or two before that year.
Ah yes, the days of Randy Smith as GM, when all of the team's trades were made with either San Diego or Houston - and all seemed to involve Ausmus.
Ausmus was traded with Nelson Cruz for Roger Cedeno and couple other nobodies. Cruz went on to destroy the Tigers in the ALCS a few years later.
Different Nelson Cruz. The one traded with Ausmus was 39 in 2011 and played his last big-league ball in 2003.
He's probably going to need to hire a veteran bench coach since this his first managerial job. I like the new blood approach from Dombrowski, we'll see how it goes.
Lamont will stay on as bench coach, he had Ausmus have worked together before and have a good relationship.
Ahh, a bit worried. Think the team needed someone who proved he can win and control a bunch of egos. They instead hired someone who has never managed in MLB before.
Look at STL with Mike Matheny. Zero experience in managing MLB team and is a former catcher. Brad Ausmus is exactly like him before the season started.
Wait before you judge. Dombrowski has said that he wanted someone who can command respect of the vets and has experience. Ausmus must have wowed Dombrowski in the interview and Ausmus has some relationship with the Tigers in some capacity this year.
Robin Ventura didn't have any managerial experience and we've all seen how he is shreading it up with the ChiSox.
did really well in his first season, finishing 2nd in AL Central 3 games behind the Tigers. Last year was bad. The White Sox overall talent level is really bad as whole and players who had their career year in Ventura's season regressed to the means. Not his fault that the team is a dumpster fire.
Matheney was really fortunate to come into St. Louis though. That organization is absolutely loaded with young talent, from top to bottom.
but I'm providing a counter example to the rebuttal about Ausmus's lack of experience managing MLB. Ausmus will have a great starting pitching rotation, top of the order who can hit. The Tigers should be fine as long as they have both. They just need to fill holes in bullpen (and hope Rondon is ready for primetime which I think he is) and find bottom of the order hitters who can hit.
...never start anyone whose name starts with "Justin Verlan" in the postseason against the A's ever again. Thanks.
an A's fan
You're going to hate our hottest pitching prospect, Justin Verlanski. He's reminiscent of Sidd Finch.
I'm excited about this hire. Yes, he's young and inexperienced, but I'll take that a manager who is a tired retread. Everyone who talks about Ausmus says this guy knows what he is doing and has a great baseball IQ. It's time to get some fresh blood into the system, and not some guy who has bounced around the league for years. Out of the pool of guys that were actually available, Ausmus is the one.
I do hope he keeps around Jeff Jones. Also perhaps Lamont on the bench just because he knows the clubhouse well.
as someone who has followed Brad, I think this is a great hire for the Tigers, and I wish him all the best when he's not playing Houston or Boston.
I wish they would have hired me. I think baseball manager would be a pretty good gig... warm climate in the winter and chillin in the dugout....
I'm wishing he had some managing experience under his belt, but otherwise everything i've read about him, since Leyland turned in his resignation, has spoken highly of his Baseball IQ.
I don't know if there is data available somewhere showing the breakdown of MLB Managers and their playing positions prior to managing, but I'm fairly certain that there are more former catchers than any other position.
Somewhat of a risky move, but one I much prefer over some worn-out retread such as Dusty Baker.
I don't think I've ever seen a formal list of managers by position played, but you might be right - I think a fair number of them were catchers. Even looking in recent history (whether they are still working or not), you have Joe Girardi, Joe Maddon, Fredi Gonzalez, Mike Scioscia, Bruce Bochy, Bob Melvin, Mike Matheny and I believe Ned Yost as well. I want to say most of the rest in the MLB were infielders of some variety.
This hire will take some media (radio) attention away from yesterday's game.
My first thought as well, which is kind of sad.
But it's not on him alone. We need a closer among a few other things. Any guy will look like an idiot with only bad options at certain spots. I do like the philosophy though.
He has some experience managing the Israeli national team for what it's worth.
I don't hate the hire -- hopefully we shore up the bullpen and make his life a lot easier.
Congrats, Tigers, I think Ausmus will be a good hire. My Mariners also interviewed him, but now that he's off the table, I am hoping it's either Cora or McLendon that get the job in Seattle.
The more I look it up, the more I like this hire. He's a very smart man (in 2010 Sporting News named him 9th smartest person in all of sports) and he was a good defensive catcher. Some of the best managers are former catchers because they are the brains. Essentially known as the qb/middle linebacker of the baseball diamond.
He's young, smart, and was hired by Dombrowski. I trust Dombrowski. The key will probably be to surround himself with good coaches and to earn the respect of the players but I think the players will respect a manager with intelligence. Ausmus is said to have great people skills and was endorsed by an ok manager named Joe Torre.
On one hand I am hesitant to like this hire...he has no MLB managing experience and hasn't been out of the game for long. However, I like the fact that the Tigers went outside the Dusty Baker/Gene Lamont types. Plus, catchers are usually the smartest players on the field. I'm optimistic about the hire but Ausmus isn't going to have a lot of time to figure it out. Obviously this is a win now team.
Anyone else surprised they let Veras go? Not a ton of bullpen options in FA this year
1) Nets hired Kidd -- even less removed. Ausmus spent some time at least with the Padres front office.
2) A little surprised yes.
Yeah, I know he got some experience with the Padres but not in a hands on managerial way. I so like that he was involved in personnel decisions, though.
I figured Veras' postseason was enough to bring him back but evidentially not. They need major help and I envision at least one or two trades to fill the hole(s).
Ya maybe I'm wrong but I think a manager is much more of a CEO style position than a head coach in football. Give him a compotent bullpen, bring in a hitting coach not named Lloyd McClenden and let the boys do their things. This a veteran team that knows what they have to do to win.
Very surprised they let Veras walk, considering his option wasn't all that expensive to pick up. Either they are going to make a few trades, or we could be seeing a massive youth movement with Casey Crosby, Melvin Mercedes, and Corey Knebel making the jump to the majors.
so happy its not gene lamont or dusty baker.
i would have been happy with larussa (never seemed likely), gardenhire, or ausmus.
ausmus is obviously the riskiest, but also boldest. i dont think managing ego's is too big of a deal. cabrarra, hunter, martinez, scherzer, and verlander are team first guys. i'd say prince too, but he was pretty moody this year and a more delicate situation. the secondary guys might be the tougher to manager.
dombrowski certainly gets the benefit of the doubt from me.