Alright, I take it all back.
Sorry but that is insane.
He's young and ultra productive. He carried the team offensively. If it weren't for him, the Tigers would not where they are right now.
If he can keep it up for the next 10 years, he's a shoo in for a HOF based on his numbers alone.
He became an above average 1B which is a major improvement from where he was before he was traded to the Tigers. He was a big time liability in 3B and LF.
Edit: Maybe you're not as dumb as Bouje after all
I would imagine that he is worth at least 3 solid role players. Why not trade him, if an even deal could be reached? The Tigers have glaring holes in their lineup and some players on the downslope of their careers. I just can't respect the guy after this. He won't even apologize, just asks for people to respect his privacy. Speaking as a Tigers fan, he ranks as bad as Bonds to me.
At least somebody tell me why trading him has to hurt the Tigers.
"There was an incident that took place on Saturday and it is a personal matter," Cabrera said in a statement. "I am sorry this has become a distraction, and I apologize to the Tigers, my teammates, and all of the fans. I would appreciate it if you would respect my family's privacy as I prepare for our next game."
Even Hawk Harrelson from the Sox broadcast team (who is the biggest homer in the history of sports) said this weekend that he is the best right handed hitter in the AL and would be the best overall hitter if not for Mauer.
Why would you ever trade him? Nearly every superstar has some sort of issues look at Man Ram, Bonds, Sosa, and A Rod just to name a few.
"I would imagine that he is worth at least 3 solid role players. Why not trade him, if an even deal could be reached?"
Miguel Cabrera had a WAR of 5.2 this season. That makes him worth 23.5 million on the open market (this may be slightly inflated with the projected rejection lowering what the overall value of one win this year). According to you, we should trade Miguel Cabrera for three Ryan Raburn's (role players). Ryan Raburn's WAR was 1.6, and he had a career year. I could have picked Aubrey Huff (-1.3 WAR for the year) or Armando Galarraga (0.5 WAR this year). So you get three Ryan Raburn's for Cabrera. If you're lucky, we get close to getting three players to come short of replicating Cabrera's value in an ok year for him. That's a terrible deal. If we traded him for anything, it would be prospects, but then again, that's probably a bad deal as well considering we have him in a very favorable contract.
Cabrera is a guy entering his prime, getting better defensively at a new position, and is worth far more than the contract we're paying him. He's a top five position player in the majors. His value is maybe more significant because of how bad we are at hitting with respect to other competitive teams.
"The Tigers have glaring holes in their lineup and some players on the downslope of their careers."
This is a non sequitur, because Cabrera is irreplaceable in value through trade, except for a ridiculous haul of prospects, should we decide to rebuild, not reload. Where have the Tigers sucked? Corner outfield, back of the rotation. Back of the rotation will replace itself (through the smattering of Galarraga, Robertson, Bonine, Bonderman, Willis, and free agents, we should be able to get two decents to follow the Big Three). What we need is another Cabrera to man a corner outfield position.
"I just can't respect the guy after this. He won't even apologize, just asks for people to respect his privacy. Speaking as a Tigers fan, he ranks as bad as Bonds to me."
I agree he didn't handle himself in the best way. I also agree they should have benched him on Saturday. Additionally, you're entitled to your opinion. HOWEVA, I think a consensus asshole who represents an era in baseball of deceit and ilicit actions, and has lead the average sports fan into perpetual disillusionment with the next generation of power hitters probably scarred the average fan more than Cabrera.
If anything, the fact that he handled himself quite poorly should tell you how ashamed and unused to this type of controversy he is. If anything could scare a guy straight, this would be it. I'm certainly not happy with Cabrera's actions, but hopefully this little episode will understand the burden he has as the leader of this team, and he responds with a big day tomorrow.
This is by far the best answer I have read. Thank you for writing it. If this scares him straight, then more power to him. If it doesn't then he may not end up worth the stats that he brings to the team. We will see.
Did you even pay attention to ONE thing that was said in the other thread? At all?
I'm sorry but the guy is human.
It's unfortunate that this came to light but until he murders someone while driving intoxicated, shoots himself in the leg without a concealed weapons permit, runs a dog fighting business, shot up taking steroids, or gets caught smoking out of a bong, a domestic dispute (especially one that's double sided) isn't the biggest of my worries with him.
leave him alone until he does something newsworthy....livin' in glass houses.....
In terms of sobering up, I think 12 hours is more than enough. I mean he's still in his 20's, a professional athlete, and a dude. That more than likely means he can probably sober up a lot quicker than someone in the normal populace.
But I get what you are saying. I'll be honest I was a bit shocked and upset as well. This guy obviously shouldn't be pulling this crap, but I'm not gonna crucify him or ask that he be traded. Obviously there's some disciplining that is required, but I'm not gonna throw rocks at him, that's all that my original post was saying.
most of you are probably too young to remember, but sweet lou whitaker got injured at a party while break dancing during the pennant drive in 1986 and missed the last week or so of the season. the tigers lost out to the red sox by 1 game, i think.
cabrera's incident is similar, but actually, less damaging than lou's fiasco. i don't recall people calling to trade lou, who was also an all star.
both incidents are very stupid though.
thats why he gets a pass.
cabrera's incident is similar, but actually, less damaging than lou's fiasco. i don't recall people calling to trade lou, who was also an all star.
No World Wide Web back then.
Thank God you don't make management decisions for my favorite teams
You're a moron.
Here's your reason why trading Cabrera will hurt the Tigers:
Let's say the Tigers are pissed at him and don't want him a part of their organization anymore. The entire league would know this considering the timing. No one just puts a perennial .300/30/100 guy on the trade block for no reason. If they Tigers are hellbent on getting rid of him like you and other fans seem to want them to do his trade value PLUMMETS. you're not going to get three solid role players for him. Three solid role players isn't fair value for him, anyway.
Look in the other thread and the players he compares to at this time in his career...unless you can't pay the man, you don't trade those type of talents. period.
Tigers need to win tomorrow, don't think making rash trades are high on Dombrowski's list at the moment.
A win would be sweet.
Way to take it personally. Suck it up and realize it's a fucking game, loser.
you really need to go out and buy "Ball Four" by Jim Boutan right away. by your standards, whitey and mickey would have been traded from the yanks (and not just billy). and what about the babe? how about norm cash?
i hope you're not such a hypocrite in real life. ie. better never show up for work hung over.
No, I certainly never show up to work hung over, inebriated, or in any way not in full control of my faculties. I work with hazardous shit that besides being dangerous to me, could also harm the many other people around me.
Miggy's daily workload won't hurt anybody directly though. I guess this gives him a pass, hmm?
Edit: Any of you that negged this reply want to weigh in on your drunken exploits at work? Maybe enlighten us with your favorite hung over moment on the job? I sure hope you aren't in any position to put anyone's health at risk.
I think by starting the thread and then completely changing the OP you were asking for every single post you made to get negged regardless of content. Good old neg-banging style. Not saying it is necessarily right, but it is the trend when someone starts a dumb thread.
Hey, whatever makes ya'll happy. Bang away MFers.
on this matter is a bit ridiculous. This is what is wrong with the point system you should not get negged for these thoughts and people that have negged you for saying that giving this guy a pass for not doing his job is an unacceptable reason to get negged.
See my post later in this thread and thank you jmblue.
Stop complaining about points and how unfair life is. No one cares.
Because obviously they don't matter when people get negged for saying their opinions.
Like I said I think it's ridiculous that it's acceptable now in our society to show up to your job drunk as shit and that you cannot chastise the guy for it.
He screwed up, he's an idiot, everyone makes mistakes. With that being said if you think that you could get away with this at your job especially when something really important (to your occupation) is happening I can't imagine that your co-workers, boss/manager would be very happy about the situation and you'd probably get canned.
If you don't really care about points, then how come the only people to bring up points are n00bs and you. NO ONE ELSE whines about how unfair the board can be with negging. They just stop making posts that deserve to get negged.
I don't think Cabrera should be traded - that would be an overreaction. But I don't like this rationalization of his behavior. During the most important weekend of the season, he got massively drunk (.26 BAC), so much so that he was probably still somewhat under the influence during the following game (to say nothing of any potential domestic issues that may have resulted). That's not something we should be defending.
If you want to make a workplace analogy, imagine that you had a hugely important presentation to make, which could make or break your company. Could you imagine getting blind stinking drunk 12 hours beforehand?
it's been said but it should be repeated: 3 "solid role players" - these mythical players - do not equal a surefire HOF candidate who may go down as one of the 10 best hitters in history.
you sure like to start a lot of threads
Just lately I guess. I need to spend some time away from here probably.
I had to eat humble pie too, man this blog is top notch , You can add Verlander and Porcello into the header as well.
Cabrera was only emulating Stormin Norman Cash, Tiger first baseman in the 60's and 70's. Norm was part of the 67 Tiger collapse that Don focused on a few days back. Alas 67 Tigers are 1 year out of my sports memory range, I can only go back to 68
Well, at least I got an education on how much Cabrera is adored by Tigers fans. Thanks for the neg party.
You and your damn social experiments, I hope you learned a very valuable lesson and as Elno would say "go to bed"
that a guy can get completely wasted the night before one of the biggest games of the season and it's okay and the fan base accepts it and says that it's okay.
These people are not Gods they are human and will make mistakes, but with that said they should be held accountable for their actions. I think that it is safe to say that any of us would be fired if we showed up at work still drunk and had a piss poor performance.
Sure trading him might be a knee jerk reaction, but none of us have any idea how his teammates feel and if I was his teammates I would not be very happy with his actions.
Oh for the love of god, stfu bouje. If I was one of his teammates (not Ryan Raburn) I was be pissed at myself because he and Raburn are the only two hitters doing much of anything over the last two weeks. If I was his teammate I would say "hey, I've been drunk before and made a relatively small mistake, I'll just let it go because he is still the BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM".
Do you think Cabrera should be help accountable right before the AL central playoff game or do you think maybe things should be handled in house since Cabrera has no no history of bad actions.
after his binge was really great ball.
I never said anything about suspending him or even disciplining him before the playoff game but to me this is not someone that I would want on my team.
Professional athletes are role models to kids and should be held to a higher standard. I'm sorry if you don't agree with this (and neg away) but there are many many professional athletes who do not act like this and I think that it is ridiculous that you are defending this guy.
While what he did isn't terrible it certainly could have been.
The main reasons I'm defending Cabrera is because you don't know the entire story and he has no past history of being a jerk. Unless I've missed something, Cabrera got drunk, came home, woke up his kid, then got into a fight with his wife. How do you know his kid isn't a very light sleeper and his wife was off her meds that night? You take a few key parts of the story that came out in the press and fill in the details with whatever you seem best.
As a disclaimer, I dated a girl who was bipolar for four years. We used to get in fights all the time just because the sun came up in the morning.
And if he ever does something truly noteworthy, I'm sure I'll feel different. He didn't shoot anyone, he didn't break any laws, the police looked at the case and walked away. This is not an issue.
Unless you hang out with him all the time, how do you know it's not someone you want as a teammate?
We don't know what happened there. The issue is that he hung his team out to dry and was drunk going to work. That's the problem is that he'd rather go out and get shit-faced instead of going to the play-offs.
Yes, I'm pretty sure he sat down in front of the mirror and said "self, I'm going to go out to the bar tonight and try my best to throw the baseball game tomorrow". Ignoring the huge hole in your logic based on small sample statistics of eleven at bats, I would bet a lot of money on Cabrera actually wanting to make the playoffs.
and completely twisting my words around.
I said that he was stupid and it was a stupid decision. I NEVER said that he was throwing the game but his ACTIONS show that he obviously doesn't really care about his team or himself because he obviously has no self control.
This is akin to you having a final in college and your friends asking you to go out. You know that you shouldn't but you kind of want to go. Some people will have the foresight to realize that you can go out after the exam and get drunk then. Others will realize that "hey I was pretty much done anyways I'll go out and have a few drinks" and do just that, go home and get some good sleep. Finally others will go out with the intention of doing that, stay out and get shit-faced and do poorly on the exam.
Yeah he tried his best on the test and didn't try to fail it, it just kind of happened.
Maybe he is doing this before every game and that's why he's usually so damn good.
Someday parents will finally realize that professional athletes are not the best role models. Which is sad but true.
unless they don't let them collect trading cards (do kids even still do that) and forbid them from watching sports on TV/going to games.
A football player will always be sexier than a surgeon that's just the way that the world is. That is sad but true.
Walk a mile in my shoes before you criticize and abuse, walk a mile in my shoes.
There is a lot of pressure on Cabrera, and he sure is not dealing with it well. Chicken or Egg scenario, but between professionally his team falling apart and domestically his home life in tatters, Miguel decides to get shit faced drunk and exacerbates the issues. Stupid yes, unpardonable no.
Cabrera needs to be held accountable but he needs help too.
Just be happy the thread didn't turn into this...
Trading him at a time when we'd get the absolute least value for him seems like a bad idea.
i'm offering bouje to BSD and BHGP in exchange for posters to be named later. he'll be less of a clubhouse cancer on teams where there are no points to worry about. that way he doesn't get concrete proof of how much people think he sucks.