In one of those fun trades-after-the-trade-deadline, They gave up Cole Nelson and a player to be named later:
alternate headline: man does job
In one of those fun trades-after-the-trade-deadline, They gave up Cole Nelson and a player to be named later:
Fuck. Have always hated this guy. I can't forgive him for chucking a bat at an ump, ever. Sorry. I just can't. Not a fan.
His dudeness doesn't like something? Shocking.
Wasn't Young 19 at the time of the bat throwing/tossing? At some point in time you might want to think about letting it go since he hasn't been much of a hothead since then.
To be on your side of the argument really is shocking. I don't see how you could be. 19 is plenty old enough to know the difference between right and disgustingly wrong.
I'm not going to defend how he acted then, but we have seen guys with a troubled past come to contending teams in this town and get their act together. Let's just hope he can be like that.
Related note, different sport:
Todd Bertuzzi. Hated him. Now I at least trust him as a Wing and a different person. And he was a full 10 years older than Young when his incident occured. The incident was completely different, of course, in a less gentlemanly game and against a player instead of an official. But the part about learning to trust someone is similar, non?
Rasheed Wallace was another guy like that. He was a total hothead in Portland and I feared he'd destroy the team chemistry. He kept it together (for a few years, at least) and ended up being the missing piece in the championship puzzle in '04.
Both are still pretty much hotheads, but can be forgiven partly because of the healing effects of time, partly because they get older, wiser, and more in control, and partly because they contribute to the team. When you're winning, it's hard not to forgive people for the past. It helps if they contribute off the field, too, either cooperating or leading with the team.
People can't change once they turn 20, or is that albatross forever around his neck?
People can change, but you live with your past mistakes and I see no problem with someone thinking he is a dick bc of that...
and I agree...19 is plenty old enough to know not to throw a bat at an ump. Hell, little leaguers know that
he has admittedly not hit anyone with a bat, as far as I know, since he was 19.
He has, however, acquire a pretty terrible reputation independent of that incident. Not of violence, but of just being an ass.
There's a reason why a guy who was the #1 Prospect in all of baseball to every single service (stat-oriented ones like Baseball Prospectus and Scouting-oriented ones like Baseball America) has been given up on by 2 teams at the age of 25.
Young made a mistake while he was young and learned from it. Since it wasn't a pattern or something that involved a premeditated or prolonged attack on someone, I really don't see holding on to all of that emnity for so long.
But, hey: if we all thought the same, the world would be a total bore.
19 is plenty old enough to know that assaulting someone is wrong and bad and not good
People can change and learn from their mistakes. I bet you wouldn't mind the tigers picking up Hamilton.
Hamilton did drugs (something I would never find as a negative) and hurt those around him emotionally. Very different than throwing a bat at an umpire.
You're right they are two different things, but still an example of a player making some terrible decisions, then able to learn from it and be able to come back and excel as a ball player. Hamilton did some hard hard drugs, not like Josh Howard who likes to blaze before games.
Ha beat me to the punch.
It's a mystery. Young is having a poor season, but that can be said for a lot of their players this year.
Young has chronically refused to take coaching, has a solid history of being a complete asshole, and has approached "ok" one season in his career.
That's your answer.
I think if he gave us 21 HR 112 RBI and a .300 average everyone would be happy.
Is that he had a good yr last yr but wasn't in the MVP convo. Looking more advanced metrics than act and RBI, he was overrated. Dude never walks. Still a good pickup for the low price we paid
..298/.333/.493 is almost the definition of average for a corner outfielder. He was fine last year. Not "Good".
He was top ten among MLB left fielders in damn near every hitting category and struck out less than most regulars. This is the opposite of average. If you don't like him personally, fine, but don't try and misportray what he did.
His OPS was 17th of the 42 starting AL outfielders.
That's moderately above average.
You're acting as if I have something personally against a player that I've never met, nor followed particularly closely.
He has, at best, been moderately above average. In his other 4 years, he has just been bad. He DOES have a poor reputation for taking coaching. There is a reason he's available to a division rival for peanuts.
Eh, he's still an upgrade over Maggs. I'll take it for peanuts.
He is an upgrade over this year's incarnation of Maggs.
He has, however, produced on roughly the same level as Andy Dirks.
Young has been the better offensive producer:
Young: .295 BA/.787 OPS/13 2B/3 HR/21 RBI/12 BB/27 K
Dirks OPS as of today is .729, not .689.
Fine. How about WARP?
Last year, he was 2 Wins Above Replacement, 124th in MLB for offensive players. Behind peers such as:
I will take those numbers over "Singleo" Ordonez anyday with the number he has been putting up this year. Ordonez has no range whatsoever anymore and is batting like .220 right now. I think this is a great move to help hold off the Indians and Sox.
I don't know about the rest one way or the other but "approached ok" is selling him ridiculously short, unless you mean "approached ok in a downwards direction because his worst OPS other than this season is .724." I mean, I can't see how his 2010 season qualifies as "less than ok."
"less than ok" is hyperbolic. He was around average, offensively. People fall in love with that BA, but the power was poor, and the plate discipline non-existent. Now we see what happens when 12-15 fewer ball drop for him.
He was, in reality, about as good as .243 hitting Carlos Quentin last year.
Well, I figured "approaching OK" is the same as "not there yet." I don't see how I get accused of hyperbole when you're calling his power "poor." Averaging 15 HR and 36 2B per 162 games is not poor; I mean, it's not like we'd be asking him to replace Cabrera. Victor Martinez averages 20 and 38 per 162 games, respectively, so what do you want us to trade for, Hank Aaron?
I was admitting to my own hyperbole, not accusing of it.
O I C. Sorry.
and, don't forget, his defense is very, very poor.
This way Revere and Span can play in the OF at the same time. They have enough pop in their lineup with Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer and Kubel so they wanted the speed back. Watch that lineup is going to be awesome next year. They are out of it anyways.
when you watch him injure himself trying to catch a routine flyball. He has a great arm, but is one of the worst fielders I've ever seen. It's been painful to watch here in Minneapolis. He has a ton of potential, but I don't see much motivation for him to be more than a .250 avg guy.
They realized they have a guy named Denard sitting on their bench.
Awesome deal. They gave up a bag of balls and a hot dog to get a 25 year old who was in the MVP talk last season. Nothing to lose here.
Similar to the Peralta trade of last year? Could be a solid deal going forward.
great pickup - could be our starting LF for years to come.
Young is having a bad year...But still batting 40 points higher than Fagglio! I'd rather have Demtri Young playing than Mags, he is gosh damn awful on the field and at the plate. My 83 yr old grandmother has more pop at the plate than him. Delmon is also 12 years younger than fagpipes.
I have an unhealthy hatred for mags, hudler, rip hamilton and rafalski...1 down
Real mature bro. Rafalski? I mean I get the others.
Did you really just refer to him as Fagglio? Did I just log on to Bucknuts?
I've seen him referred to as singlio as well
He would have to actually get hits and being the 3rd in the line up day in and day out has really started to piss me off....wtf leyland .....I love mags but he needs to be the 8th or 9th batter i dont think we should trade him....he needs to retire a Tiger....This Year!!
You would think for someone with so much hatred for those players, you would know that Rafalski has retired also right?
I do realize this...hence the 1 down
Don't get me wrong, Rafalski had a nice career and I've heard he's a great guy which most hockey players are. It doesn't mean I have to be a fan of him just because he's a Red Wing. I wanted him to do well, he was just extremely soft which I'm not a fan of.
Mags career has been done for years...But for some reason DD loves handing him free money.
I can pick whoeva I want for my unhealthy hatreds...
hate that you are a Michigan fan.
You are embarrassing.
*This is obviously in response to bing24.
Who hasn't heard him called that before? Give me a break...I got your back bing...
Considering you know Rafalski is retired (apparently), then that would be 2 down. Unless you decided to rant about how Young is better and Magglio won't play for no reason at all.
You're doing a really good RCMB poster impression! The ignorance is so spot on! And "Fagglio", how clever!
Some sentiment from BRCE, the uber-pragmatist? You caught me off guard with that one.
Your post is disrespectful on many levels. I hope it is deleted soon. Comment was in reply to the bing24 post.
makes you sound really intelligent. I hope your post gets deleted soon.
Bringing in D'mitri Young worked out so well for Dombrowski, he figured why not bring in his younger more volatile brother.
You should be sentenced to listen to Leyland's pre-game show. The man is very knowledable and canny in his observations, listening to Leyland might disabuse you of your silly childish rants.
I believe the deadline for acquiring players that can play in the postseason is August 31.
Players just need to be on the major league roster before they expand to 40 in September. So August 31 is the deadline.
the player to be named latter will be Delmon Young.
I'll take it. We gave up next to nothing, and, as long as Boesch's thumb doesn't turn into something more serious, improves our outfield overall.
I've liked the moves DD has made so far this year. We've improved our overall production at 3B, improved the overall effectiveness of our rotation, added depth to our bullpen and now our outfield too, and what have we given up in return? Not a whole lot. Nothing super glitzy or glamorous, but I'd say that our team is more solid now than it was at the beginning of the year.
Side note: it's little punks like bing24 who really make me wish that negs work. Unbelievably moronic. To all you other teenagers (and some select adults) on the board, just remember: don't be an ass, show some class.
Boesch didn't look too bad in his pinch hit at bat, so I don't think he's going on the slc. I think he will take the third slot from Mags, and I love it. Finally a guy that can get some production from a guy playing with the luxury of hitting before the best player in the AL, Cabrera. This should have happened way earlier, or at least move the guy down in the lineup.
Will Rhymes to Toledo per 97.1
I'm guessing this means more Raburn at 2B.
He's a good second-half hitter, he's a good second-half hitter, he's a good second-half hitter...
Too bad no one can ask about the lineup. I guess we are stuck with Raburn at 2nd with Rhymes being sent down.
agreed, they should take a lesson from the Yankees on telling Jorge just isn't an everyday player anymore. atleast drop him to 8th in lineup.
The Yankees brought Posada back as a role player. Dombrowski brought Ordonez back as his starting RF and 3 hitter. They needed someone to replace Ordonez.
I agree, Magglio was expected to be a bigger contributor, Posada was still expected to be the everyday DH, not just a role player. If it wasn't for the emergence of Granderson this season, Posada's struggles this year probably would have been more of a spotlight.
Not giving up a lot I guess you may as well take a flyer on the talent, but he's brutal in the field even by the low standards of major league left fielders and his plate discipline sucks. He's had one decent year in his career, and reverted back to being a replacement-level or worse guy again this year.
Seems like a very Dombrowski acquisition. Guy clearly doesn't think much of D metrics. Or has no idea they exist. The other hilarious thing is if you ding the hell out of Maggs with your age adjustment, he still ends up about even with Delmon in projections.
Look this is a great pickup if u put blinders on and not look at his history of being a "knucklehead" I'm sure u would agree. We have a veteran locker him he will be alright
Learn it, love it, use it.
Like several people, I was not a fan of the bat-throwing incident. Completely moronic thing to do.
Now that he's here, I think he could be a contributor in the outfield and at the plate. He is, after all, hitting .313 since coming off the DL in June. We could use a .300-plus hitter in the 3-spot.
Young just homered on his first at bat.
can Delmon Young play right away or does he have to wait to play later on.
He played tonight (and homered).
1. Jackson .242
2. Boesch .284
3. Young .269
4. Cabrera .320
5. Martinez .321
6. Peralta .306
7. Dirks .263
8. Avila .294
9. Betemit .288