In one of those fun trades-after-the-trade-deadline, They gave up Cole Nelson and a player to be named later:
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/08/15/tigers-acquire-delmon-young/
Fuck. Have always hated this
His dudeness doesn't like
His dudeness doesn't like something? Shocking.
Wasn't Young 19 at the time of the bat throwing/tossing? At some point in time you might want to think about letting it go since he hasn't been much of a hothead since then.
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To be on your side of the
To be on your side of the argument really is shocking. I don't see how you could be. 19 is plenty old enough to know the difference between right and disgustingly wrong.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
I'm not going to defend how
I'm not going to defend how he acted then, but we have seen guys with a troubled past come to contending teams in this town and get their act together. Let's just hope he can be like that.
Related note, different sport:
Related note, different sport:
Todd Bertuzzi. Hated him. Now I at least trust him as a Wing and a different person. And he was a full 10 years older than Young when his incident occured. The incident was completely different, of course, in a less gentlemanly game and against a player instead of an official. But the part about learning to trust someone is similar, non?
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Rasheed Wallace was another
Rasheed Wallace was another guy like that. He was a total hothead in Portland and I feared he'd destroy the team chemistry. He kept it together (for a few years, at least) and ended up being the missing piece in the championship puzzle in '04.
Definitely true
Both are still pretty much hotheads, but can be forgiven partly because of the healing effects of time, partly because they get older, wiser, and more in control, and partly because they contribute to the team. When you're winning, it's hard not to forgive people for the past. It helps if they contribute off the field, too, either cooperating or leading with the team.
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People can't change once they
People can't change once they turn 20, or is that albatross forever around his neck?
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People can change, but you
People can change, but you live with your past mistakes and I see no problem with someone thinking he is a dick bc of that...
and I agree...19 is plenty old enough to know not to throw a bat at an ump. Hell, little leaguers know that
he has admittedly not hit
he has admittedly not hit anyone with a bat, as far as I know, since he was 19.
He has, however, acquire a pretty terrible reputation independent of that incident. Not of violence, but of just being an ass.
There's a reason why a guy who was the #1 Prospect in all of baseball to every single service (stat-oriented ones like Baseball Prospectus and Scouting-oriented ones like Baseball America) has been given up on by 2 teams at the age of 25.
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Part of life is making mistakes and learning
Young made a mistake while he was young and learned from it. Since it wasn't a pattern or something that involved a premeditated or prolonged attack on someone, I really don't see holding on to all of that emnity for so long.
But, hey: if we all thought the same, the world would be a total bore.
uh
19 is plenty old enough to know that assaulting someone is wrong and bad and not good
Josh Hamilton
People can change and learn from their mistakes. I bet you wouldn't mind the tigers picking up Hamilton.
Hamilton did drugs
Hamilton did drugs (something I would never find as a negative) and hurt those around him emotionally. Very different than throwing a bat at an umpire.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
You're right they are two
You're right they are two different things, but still an example of a player making some terrible decisions, then able to learn from it and be able to come back and excel as a ball player. Hamilton did some hard hard drugs, not like Josh Howard who likes to blaze before games.
Ha beat me to the punch.
Ha beat me to the punch.
Blank.....Blank......You're not looking at the big picture here.
It's a mystery. Young is
It's a mystery. Young is having a poor season, but that can be said for a lot of their players this year.
Young has chronically refused
Young has chronically refused to take coaching, has a solid history of being a complete asshole, and has approached "ok" one season in his career.
That's your answer.
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if that was an "ok season" bring more of those
I think if he gave us 21 HR 112 RBI and a .300 average everyone would be happy.
Phil Brabbs FTW
I think the consensus
Is that he had a good yr last yr but wasn't in the MVP convo. Looking more advanced metrics than act and RBI, he was overrated. Dude never walks. Still a good pickup for the low price we paid
..298/.333/.493 is almost the
..298/.333/.493 is almost the definition of average for a corner outfielder. He was fine last year. Not "Good".
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He was top ten among MLB left
He was top ten among MLB left fielders in damn near every hitting category and struck out less than most regulars. This is the opposite of average. If you don't like him personally, fine, but don't try and misportray what he did.
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His OPS was 17th of the 42
His OPS was 17th of the 42 starting AL outfielders.
That's moderately above average.
You're acting as if I have something personally against a player that I've never met, nor followed particularly closely.
He has, at best, been moderately above average. In his other 4 years, he has just been bad. He DOES have a poor reputation for taking coaching. There is a reason he's available to a division rival for peanuts.
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Eh, he's still an upgrade
Eh, he's still an upgrade over Maggs. I'll take it for peanuts.
He is an upgrade over this
He is an upgrade over this year's incarnation of Maggs.
He has, however, produced on roughly the same level as Andy Dirks.
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Since June
Young has been the better offensive producer:
Young: .295 BA/.787 OPS/13 2B/3 HR/21 RBI/12 BB/27 K
Dirks: .263/.689/7/4/17/6/22
Dirks OPS as of today is
Dirks OPS as of today is .729, not .689.
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OPS is among the most flawed
OPS is among the most flawed stats in baseball. Try again.
Founder of the Devin to replace Denard movement
Fine. How about WARP?
Last
Fine. How about WARP?
Last year, he was 2 Wins Above Replacement, 124th in MLB for offensive players. Behind peers such as:
Jim Edmonds
Russell Branyan
Jason Bartlett
Ben Zobrist
Wilson Betemit
Josh Willingham
Pat Burrell
Ryan Raburn
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OPS is among the most flawed
OPS is among the most flawed stats in baseball. Try again.
Founder of the Devin to replace Denard movement
OPS is among the most flawed
OPS is among the most flawed stats in baseball. Try again.
Founder of the Devin to replace Denard movement
speaking of flawed uhhh..... lol sry
speaking of flawed uhhh..... lol sry
Founder of the Devin to replace Denard movement
I will take those numbers
I will take those numbers over "Singleo" Ordonez anyday with the number he has been putting up this year. Ordonez has no range whatsoever anymore and is batting like .220 right now. I think this is a great move to help hold off the Indians and Sox.
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I don't know about the rest
I don't know about the rest one way or the other but "approached ok" is selling him ridiculously short, unless you mean "approached ok in a downwards direction because his worst OPS other than this season is .724." I mean, I can't see how his 2010 season qualifies as "less than ok."
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"less than ok" is hyperbolic.
"less than ok" is hyperbolic. He was around average, offensively. People fall in love with that BA, but the power was poor, and the plate discipline non-existent. Now we see what happens when 12-15 fewer ball drop for him.
He was, in reality, about as good as .243 hitting Carlos Quentin last year.
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Well, I figured "approaching
Well, I figured "approaching OK" is the same as "not there yet." I don't see how I get accused of hyperbole when you're calling his power "poor." Averaging 15 HR and 36 2B per 162 games is not poor; I mean, it's not like we'd be asking him to replace Cabrera. Victor Martinez averages 20 and 38 per 162 games, respectively, so what do you want us to trade for, Hank Aaron?
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I was admitting to my own
I was admitting to my own hyperbole, not accusing of it.
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O I C. Sorry.
O I C. Sorry.
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and, don't forget, his
and, don't forget, his defense is very, very poor.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/15/tigers-acquire-outfielder-delmon-young-from-twins/
easy
This way Revere and Span can play in the OF at the same time. They have enough pop in their lineup with Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer and Kubel so they wanted the speed back. Watch that lineup is going to be awesome next year. They are out of it anyways.
Phil Brabbs FTW
Remember this question....
when you watch him injure himself trying to catch a routine flyball. He has a great arm, but is one of the worst fielders I've ever seen. It's been painful to watch here in Minneapolis. He has a ton of potential, but I don't see much motivation for him to be more than a .250 avg guy.
They will meet a dastardly fate here for that! There isn't a Michigan Man who wouldn't like go out and scalp those Buckeyes right now." -Bob Ufer, 1973 on OSU tearing down the M-Club banner
They realized they have a guy
They realized they have a guy named Denard sitting on their bench.
"There is not a scale available with which I can accurately measure how much I want you to shut the fuck up right now."
Awesome deal. They gave up a
Awesome deal. They gave up a bag of balls and a hot dog to get a 25 year old who was in the MVP talk last season. Nothing to lose here.
Similar to the Peralta trade
Similar to the Peralta trade of last year? Could be a solid deal going forward.
Blank.....Blank......You're not looking at the big picture here.
wow
great pickup - could be our starting LF for years to come.
Tremendous!
Young is having a bad
Young is having a bad year...But still batting 40 points higher than Fagglio! I'd rather have Demtri Young playing than Mags, he is gosh damn awful on the field and at the plate. My 83 yr old grandmother has more pop at the plate than him. Delmon is also 12 years younger than fagpipes.
I have an unhealthy hatred for mags, hudler, rip hamilton and rafalski...1 down
Real mature bro. Rafalski? I
Real mature bro. Rafalski? I mean I get the others.
Did you really just refer to
Did you really just refer to him as Fagglio? Did I just log on to Bucknuts?
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I've seen him referred to as singlio as well
he would have to hit
He would have to actually get hits and being the 3rd in the line up day in and day out has really started to piss me off....wtf leyland .....I love mags but he needs to be the 8th or 9th batter i dont think we should trade him....he needs to retire a Tiger....This Year!!
"The team..The team...The team"
Fuck. Have always hated this guy. I can't forgive him for chucking a bat at an ump, ever. Sorry. I just can't. Not a fan.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.