OT: Texas dismisses ninth player(!)- Charlie is seriously cleaning house

Submitted by iawolve on

I cannot remember anything like this with the exception of Saban's "cuts" which I believe are for a different reason. Don't often want to dismiss starters during the season if you are just trying to open up schollies. Not sure what is going on in Austin with that team.

 

The 6-foot-7, 290-pound junior started nine games and played in 16 during his career. He took over the right tackle spot last season when Josh Cochran was lost to injury. He was also suspended for the Alamo Bowl last season after being ruled academically ineligible.

Estelle is the ninth player dismissed by Strong since March, joining former starters Kendall Sanders and Joe Bergeron and backups Leroy Scott, Chet Moss, Montrel Meander, Jalen Overstreet, Chevoski Collins and Deoundrei Davis.

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11574697/texas-longhorns-coach-charlie-strong-dismisses-ninth-player

Sac Fly

September 23rd, 2014 at 6:26 PM ^

I like how he's trying to change the culture of the program. If he were to go back on that and let players stay after breaking the rules again, it would undo everything he's already built.

LordGrantham

September 23rd, 2014 at 6:29 PM ^

Strong better be careful.  Discipline is one thing.  Dismissing 10% of your team?  That's going to turn more than a few heads.

Sac Fly

September 23rd, 2014 at 6:45 PM ^

It seems like it, but I think what he's done so far is fair.

Sanders and Meander were arrested for sexual assault and were dismissed right away. Most of the other players had academic and rule violations from last season, but I believe they were still given two chances by Strong.

WolverBean

September 23rd, 2014 at 6:48 PM ^

Both Bear Bryant and Bo Schembechler legendarily chased off a whole bunch of players when they took over at A&M and Michigan, respectively. Hence "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions" (which apparently Bear used before Bo, though Bo didn't necessarily know that).

Of course, they both took over in an era of unlimited scholarships, so losing 10% of your players wasn't quite the deal it is today. And both coached in an era when it was easier for a coach to be a legendary hardass and disciplinarian. Which makes it all the more interesting to see whether this works out in Strong's favor in the end.

reshp1

September 23rd, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^

As an outsider, I'm rooting for him and support the hardline clean start approach he's taking. If I were a Texas fan, I'd be very nervous. I don't get the feel from Texas fans that they have a lot of patience for a rebuilding process. A disciplinarian, after Mack, is a positive thing, but winning is going to matter more. If he can't win, this will go from a positive to a negative faster than Hoke's colloquialisms.

alum96

September 23rd, 2014 at 8:11 PM ^

Underachieving relative to 'crooting you say?

Rivals rank:  Texas / Michigan

  • 2008:   14 / 10
  • 2009:    5  /  8
  • 2010:    3 /  20
  • 2011:    3 /  21
  • 2012:    2 /  7
  • 2013:    24 / 5
  • 2014:    20 / 31

Average Texas = 10.1

Average Michigan = 14.6

If 4 slots on average over 7-8-10 years matters that much on what is nearly total guesswork, well you got a point I guess.  Yes Texas recruits slightly better.  But we are doing a great job wasting our talent too.

Texas seasons since 2008:

  • 12-1
  • 13-1
  • 5-7
  • 8-5
  • 9-4
  • 8-5

I won't list ours since women and children might read this.

Yeoman

September 23rd, 2014 at 8:37 PM ^

you need to offset the two columns. The 2008 recruits were featured players on the 2010 and 2011 teams, not the 2008 season when most of them redshirted.

Their upperclassmen now come from classes ranked 3, 3 and 2. That's a lot different from our 20, 21 and 7.

Quailman

September 23rd, 2014 at 9:02 PM ^

I think the point he was making is the "advantage" that Texas has when it comes to recruiting. With the talent that they have right in their backyard, they should mop up in recruiting and then on the field. Texas is a very talent rich state in terms of HS prospects, where Michigan is not. 

BloomingtonBlue

September 23rd, 2014 at 6:44 PM ^

This Charlie Strong, Texas situation will be a true comparison to Michigan. Similar traditions, both hiring after long eras of Carr and Brown. We'll see how quickly hiring a good coach turns around an elite program.


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Drew_Silver

September 24th, 2014 at 9:16 AM ^

The Texas rebuilding is not going to be fast -

it is one thing to have good players - it is another thing to get that elusive team chemistry everyone talks about 

Strong wants his guys or at least guys who are willing to do it his way.  I wonder if the top recruits are willing to put in the work required of them, or if becuase they have been so coddled over their lifetimes they are not willing to work hard.  

A 2* recruit comes in with a chip on his shoulder and knows he has to haul @ss.

alum96

September 23rd, 2014 at 6:48 PM ^

I like a guy of action not words.  Their offense is a tire fire this year anyhow - they basically are just a defense and a not much else so this year is in the can.  It sends a hell of a message for the future.  He is in year 1 and can afford this stuff.

LSAClassOf2000

September 23rd, 2014 at 6:54 PM ^

The folks at Burnt Orange Nation are all over it, of course - LINK

The news came one day after Strong said that Estelle would return to practice this week along with senior offensive tackle Desmond Harrison, who is now serving his second suspension of the season after being suspended for the opener and then briefly reinstated before drawing another suspension several days later.

In addition, they've been down junior WR Daje Johnson since the start of the season too, although he is still technically a Longhorn for now supposedly. Like others, I sort of admire Strong for doing exactly what he set out to do and change the culture in Texas actually. He sort of set this tone in his introductory press conference and he's making it actual policy, which is better than a lot of people in the business world really.

Hannibal.

September 23rd, 2014 at 8:44 PM ^

He had better be careful.  We Michigan fans know only too well how this could end for Charlie.   Gotta be careful with the "my way or the highway" business nowadays. 

Perkis-Size Me

September 23rd, 2014 at 9:30 PM ^

He's got balls, and I like it. Sending a message that he's not going to tolerate BS on his team, but he'd better start producing results. You think we're fickle and impatient? Can't imagine how UT fans are, especially with Oklahoma and A&M performing so well right now.


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DoubleB

September 23rd, 2014 at 10:11 PM ^

means squat if you don't end up winning. Randy Shannon changed the culture at Miami. And was fired after 4 years for not winning enough games.

It all sounds good until fans decide they'd rather have wins than choir boys.