Thank goodness. Screw the Essss Eeeeee Ceeeeee
OT: Tennessee rejected by Charlie Strong, Big east passes sec as football conference
Not a bad call. TN has the resources to be good, but he's got something good going on in Louisville and can hold out for a top-10 type job in the near future if he keeps up his success.
How many coaches does that make now who have declined the job at Tennessee?
Depending on what rumors you believe to be true, this could be up to 4 or 5 coaches who have turned down the UT job.
Fans are getting restless and even asking for Fulmer.
Thanks. I just went and glanced at one of the Tenn. blogs. It is getting entertaining. Brian could probably do one of his best TWIS stories he's ever done by looking at fans freaking out about their coach searches / coaches leaving.
Here's my favorite post from a Tenn fan so far. He's responding to someone saying Bobby Petrino's no worse than Bret Bielema because there are photos on the internet of Bielema shirtless and drunk:
doesn't anybody want that job? Granted the competition is fierce in recruiting down there, but that is Rocky Top man. There are plenty of games to be won at Tennessee.
Transitive property always applies in sports.
Just a reminder, Louisville to ACC in 2014.
But Louisvillle is going to the ACC...
Edit: Beaten to it
What is this ACC you speak of? There is nothing in the future called the ACC.
Indeed. Any day now I expect the ACC to bring South Carolina back into the fold, and the SEC will likely respond by taking Illinois in order to reach the Chicago market.
Illinois would never give up their rivalry with Michigan.
If Tennessee ends up with Bobby Petrino, I'm going to laugh til the Cows come home. I don't own cows, so I'm also going to have to get cows and put them out to pasture. There are no pastures close to where I live. Basically, I am going to be laughing or a long time.
Why so funny? I understand Petrino is the class act of jackasses, but he very well could make them a good football program again.
It reminds me of the Tiger Woods case... People just forgot about the incident once he started playing golf again. Petrino is potentially a home run hire proving that he can be very successful in the SEC. Tennessee really needs to consider him more.
People definitely did not forget about the Tiger Woods incident. I don't think anyone, even his biggest fans, views him the same as they did pre-2009.
As for Petrino, everyone in the media seemed to forget about what he did to the Falcons, so perhaps what you say may ring true again for him.
...every time I hear the name Tiger Woods now, I can't help but laugh at the absurd image of him getting beaten with a golf club by his Swedish wife as he jumps into his luxury SUV and then promptly crashes into a telephone pole. I'm almost surprised the car didn't explode too in an over-the-top display of pyrotechnics like some kind of ridiculous Hollywood movie scene.
Tiger will forever be a joke to me.
Actually, yeah, come to think of it, the Petrino-crashing-a-motorbike-with-his-girlfriend-on-back is pretty similar. Petrino is a joke too.
Tennessee's AD recently made comments about hiring a "a man of integrity". Personally I think the Vols should give him a look.
Petrino is a damn good coach, who has had success in the SEC. The problem is all the baggage, and that's why he doesn't have a job already. Petrino, to me, would be a last resort to take this job because everyone has avoided hiring him. Petrino may have made sense to be the hire at any number of schools. Because of the baggage, he was a no go. Tennnessee (a school I don't exactly like) struggling to find pretty much anyone else and having to go with Petrino...that would be entertaining to say the least.
At Petrino's previous job at Arkansas, he didn't just cheat on his wife, get in motorcycle accident with his mistress (an Arkansas staffer), and then initally lie to the media (and I believe his AD) about the fact he was alone when he crashed.
More importantly, he recommended his mistress be hired for her Arkansas job (the Arkansas folks didn't know they had a relationship) giving her preferential treatment for a state job. That's a huge no-no.
In short, he's not just a scum bag in his private life (which you can argue, is his own private business between him, his wife, and his girlfriend), but in his public life & with his employers as well. If I was regent of the University of Tennessee, I would think long & hard about putting such a guy in charge of one of the most important visible parts of my public institution.
The state of Tennessee football in my mind can only be saved by two people: Chip Kelly (I know you are probably shocked by this one but I'll explain later) and Bobby Petrino who they obviously will not go after. Petrino has proven he can win in the SEC, and Tennessee needs somebody who can for sure win in the conference, not a gamble like Dooley. Chip Kelly is also a high profile name who can bring recruits to Tennessee and quickly with that. If Tennessee were to offer him 4-4.5 million a year and throws in the Jimmy Haslam card like they reportedly did to Gruden, they may be able to snag him with rumors that he is hopping to the NFL. If Tennessee doesn't get either of those two guys, and I doubt they will, I believe that they will endure more instability at the coaching position for some years to come.
could still easily end up with a show-cause after the season is over. I'd bet he doesn't stick around to find out, a-la Pete Carroll.
And that's exactly why an NFL position is so appealing to him. I've got to admit I hate the SEC, but it would be a blast watching the spread against the physical, fast, and overall stellar defenses in the SEC.
Very true. Hopefully A&M can keep up the "momentum" and continue to put out a good product in SEC land (I'm not aware of Kevin Sumlin's history, has he been a spread guy before or is he adapting to his QB,Johnny Manziel?). But another team down there doing what Oregon and Arizona are doing would be fun to see. One does have admit, Urban Meyer won down there using his "spread-type" game and Florida in the 90's was a spread-type passing team.
Historically though, most teams in the SEC have been what they are now and to mix it up a bit would be nice, I agree.
He's a spread to pass/air raid guy, with roots in both the Joe Tiller and Mike Leach coaching trees (he was an offensive assistant when Leach was Oklahoma's OC), so he's definitely a spread guy, but not necessarily the zone-read heavy running spread that Kelly comes out of.
That's no way to talk about the next Head Coach of my Cleveland Browns thank you very much.
Really Hopefully what I just wrote happens
TN is a toxic job right now. Dooley brought them down farther than they were before, who knows what kind of players are left, and there's clearly a lot of pressure to succeed early. Hopefully they hire someone who doesn't wear ridiculous orange pants.
I was with you all the way until "ridiculous orange pants." Come on man. Those pants rock.
I think UT is ready to stick with the next coach for a while and there is a lot of pressure on the new AD to make a good hire (he didn't hire Dooley). I wouldn't be surprised to see the next coach get 5 years to turn the program around.
Living in the Knoxville area and hearing about Tennessee football just about every second of the day, I can tell you that their recruiting class is less than stellar for an SEC school (mediocre for a BCS school) and rumors are that Bray is going to depart for the NFL. They have a pathetic defense with no depth and lack a kicker. With seniors at the skill positions and no depth there either, Tennessee is in a state of disaster if this hire isn't stellar.
Worley and Peterman are still there, so is almost all of the O-line, and there is plenty of depth at receiver. The issue isn't with the offense as much as it is with the defense. Sunseri wants to throw out his 3-4 defense even though the strength of UT's defense is its defensive line. Maggitt and Johnson are awesome linebackers, but they have to do too much in Sunseri's system.
As for the next class, you're right--it's garbage. However, Tennessee is far from being "in a state of disaster."
Yeah, I live in the area as well, and people are down on the team, but UT is still a good job considering the whole region worships the football team. They have the resources to be good. All they need is the right coach. All of the criticisms you said of UT could (and were) said of UM after 2010, but the right coaching staff fixed a lot of it.
but other than the money motivation, I don't really know where Tennessee can find a coach with ties to the school (not Dave Clawson or Cutcliffe) that will have the passion to turn them around like Hoke did with us. And it really is amazing to compare that it took Tennessee about 6-7 years (dating back to 2005) to get to the point where we were in 2010 where, on the other hand, it only took three seasons.
and played LSU tough in the sec title game. tougher than Osu anyways.
Re-read what you just wrote and tell me you didn't get deja vu
And I recognized the similarities instantly when I typed it, but I think they are only different in the fact that it is such a difficult job to take on in the SEC and look for immediate results. I don't really see a coach out there that can do the sort of job that Brady did with Michigan, and in this case, the SEC. I never had a doubt with Brady because he had prior success with turning around programs rather quickly, for example, Ball State and SDSU.
Definitely true. They did had a very good offense last year though. They'd be in business if they could find a defeisive minded coach.
There is some decent talent at UT. Especially rhe skill players.
With Strong not headed to UT, and Malzhan cleaning house at Auburn getting rid of Trooper Taylor and the RB's coach, it seems everything is falling right into place for D. Green.
How long before they throw up their hands and say, "OK, John L. Smith, coach us for a year"?
But seriously, Fulmer is only 62 . . . why not try it again?
Bill Snyder pt. 2 was proven this year to be a good rehire, and not sure about Barry Alvarez but Wisky's making a run at it too... Man this is just another reason I LOVE COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
It is fun to sit back and watch when it's another team going through a contentious search process.
Yes. In so many ways, yes. And there are so many going through such a search.
and unable to speak with their #1 candidate, then I might start to feel bad. Until then, I have no pity.
Dude must like Louisville- accroding to ESPN turned down 3.5 mill for a 2.3 mill deal. That's a crap-ton of money to say no to- especially to a high profile SEC school...
Maybe Charlie Strong wants to stick with Louisville since they are his first HC job out of loyalty to the school
It would really restore some of my faith in humanity if this "loyalty" thing truly did still exist.
Job security could add more money to that. 2.3 over 6 years is longer than 3.5 for 3 years. At Louisville he can get by as long as he goes to bowl games and not worry about being fired. Cannot say the same about the Tennessee job. Reminds me a lot of Shaka Smart, although he'll have to turn down a couple more higher programs to reach that level.
When they ask to change their vote in the final 1997 coaches poll. Till then - CURSE!
On the local sports radio here in Oklahoma, they were quoting figures like a 5 or even 5.5 mill offer to Mike Gundy. I kind of wonder if it's not coaches' agents floating some of these figures to sweeten the pot for new contracts. But if these figures are accurate, I might not feel as inclined to jump at that kind of pay raise if it's so much lower than they offered the previous candidate for the same job. Granted, just because it's the same job, doesn't mean every candidate is equally qualified. Still, it would be hard to take being essentially told another candidate is worth 50% more than you are.
it's a shame Cal beat them to the punch for Sonny Dykes...
Should've had a TWIS concerning fans' reactions to coaching changes.
How great would it be if Tennessee offered Urban and he took the job?
Wasn't there a rumor that they had Tressel on their list? I bet that's who they hire.
Doesn't he still have a show-cause penalty?
...and that is why I think they go all Arkansas and poach another B1G coach...Mark Dantonio, to be specific.
That just seems like a perfect match...the guy who recruits some of the biggest thugs north of the Mason-Dixon line coaching the school for whose former coach the Fulmer Cup is named.
What could go wrong?
I am denying rumors that I have accepted the Tennessee head coaching job.
When Mike Gundy said that he turned down the UT job, Strong probably decided that he didn't want to be their second choice. They also could have been lying to him and telling him that he was their first choice.
This is a great move on Strong's part. The UT job looks more and more like a dumpster fire, and it's not like coaches of African-American descent are treated with much patience there at Tennessee if they don't win big and win now, without having even one bad year.
Also, I find it sorta funny that the same people who bitched the most loudly about Fulmer are probably the ones who are now calling the most loudly for his return.
Another name that seems to appear in every other article about the Vols' search is Larry Fedora, although I don't know if he's leave North Carolina after having just arrived essentially and having led them to an 8-4 season. Supposedly, he is supposed to reaffirm his commitment to the Tar Heels this afternoon according to the papers in North Carolina, although he did interview for the open position on Tuesday supposedly.
Some of the Tennessee blogs have started suggesting out-of-the-box solutions (probably our of desperation), such as former Kansas State coach Ron Prince (currently the OL coach in Jacksonville, I think).
that good of a job while everyone else in the SEC isn't on probation. Look that up.
I'm sure his name could start to pop up...
At this point, that would be a big step down. Ten years ago TN would have been a dream destination job, but now it's a tire fire. Strong was smart to turn it down—not every "move up" is really moving up in the long term.
And coaches aren't jumping to take the job. Sound familiar?
I think people have to come to the reality that big time jobs aren't THAT much better than 2nd tier jobs anymore. There's a reason I listed so many coordinators as now head coaches at the top programs right now. People will leave bad programs they've built up for big time jobs, but aren't all anxious to leave middle of the pack or 2nd tier teams that they've built up. Arkansas-Wisconsin is the anomaly, not the norm. And even there he wasn't their first choice.
He loves Louisville and the city loves him. They have the budget to pay him and Louisville's AD is more than happy to open the check book for him. If they were rejected by the ACC, I have a feeling the headline would be totally different
Keep the name John Chavis in your memory bank. He has history with the school and the fans love Jim. the only hurdle is luring Jim away fro crazy ass Les Miles.
Not gonna happen, according to all the radio guys here. Chavis is really good friends with Fulmer and left really pissed at the admininistrtion for the way he was dismissed. The same goes for David Cutcliffe at Duke. They both made critical statements about the administration on the way out. I suppose ridiculous amounts of money could possibly change their minds but it looks very doubtful on either of those two.
Tress has a five year show cause, he's been away for two already. Tennessee doesn't want anything to do with that after the Bruce Pearl issues. There would be scholarship reductions and recruiting sanctions for anybody that hires Tressel and UT said they want a coach without that kind of baggage. It will be interesting to see if they stick to those ideals as they get desperate to fill the job. If they get somebody the fans don't feel is a big enough name they will go crazy. They're talking about how the school should just throw money at Saban until he comes. It's starting to be fun to watch now, like a train wreck. OOps this was an answer to a question about Tressel, not sure where that one went.
I'm so confused
Is UT still high on Green's list and how much does the next coach affect his decision?
Now there's a rumor afloat that Bo Pelini is interested in the job. I've not seen any credible source run with this yet, so take it for what it's worth, but it is out there: