Since twitter is the source of all knowledge, Suter is pretty much a done deal to the Wings.
I just hope the Michigan hockey summer doesn't start including the Wings in its despondence.
Since twitter is the source of all knowledge, Suter is pretty much a done deal to the Wings.
I just hope the Michigan hockey summer doesn't start including the Wings in its despondence.
The more I think about it, the more I see Semin going back to Russia. The guy is talented, don't get me wrong, but he just doesn't seem to have that drive. The KHL isn't quite as talent-heavy as the NHL, so he could dominate, and Russia is his home. I wouldn't be unhappy if the Wings signed him, per se, but I think I would have rather had Hudler stick around than bring in Semin.
Of course, all this is null if we sign Parise and Suter, then it doesn't matter who else we get.
do you really think Hudler is worth 4 mill year? because I sure as hell don't
No chance in hell! That's why I'm ok with letting Hudler go, he's worth about $3 mil/year. Good for him that he's getting paid, I'm happy it's not the Wings doing it. Sammy should be a good replacement for him.
Drat! Dreaded Double Post!
wow - I wouldn't pay him a dime over 1.5.
Hudler wanted to get paid. The Red Wings fans wanted him gone.
I did not think he was going to get 4 mil.
LOL you'd take the guy who's average is 25 and 25 over the dude who's cracked and has 40-50 potential?
I think just as interesting will be where do some of the other dominoes fall after Parise and/or Suter sign, particularly guys like Matt Carle and Bobby Ryan. As a Blackhawks fan, I'm not expecting any major splashes but I would love a guy like Matt Carle
May be alone here but I'd honestly rather have Carle than Suter. There's not much of a gap there but I like Carle defensively combined with his offense. +19 and +30 in the last two seasons.
I can't say I agree but when you really think about it it's hard to not at least think about it. Certainly Carle will come at a lower (even if only slightly) price than Suter, and although there's no doubt as to Suter's ability, you have to wonder what he'd be without Weber at his side. Just food for thought, because all that said, I'd still rather have Suter
On Defense. That is what separates him from Carle. You won't get huge stats out of Him ala Mike Green or Drew Doughty but he's a perfect fit here and I would be thrilled if we could land him.... And Nash
While Weber is certainly more adept offensively than, say, Nik Kronwall, I don't think playing with Kronwall will be a huge step down whatsoever from playing with Weber. Kronwall is a smart player, and will be a great complement to Suter (assuming the Wings sign him, and that he's paired with Kronwall).
Did you watch the Olympics bro? Suter went full beastmode.
I like them both.
I think you are alone there. I guess the one reason I could see wanting Carle is because he will come cheaper than Suter, though I don't think it will be by much. Also, +/- isn't a great hockey stat, at least IMHO. I like that Suter spends more time on the ice.
I think Suter is definitely option number 1, but if the Wings were to miss out on him, I would definitely want Carle.
Did you watch Carle in the playoffs this year? There's really no comparison between he and Suter. Suter is widely regarded as a top 10 defenseman around the league, while Carle was the subject to a lot of criticism for his play in the playoffs this year for the Flyers. The only reason Carle is going to get paid, is it's such a shallow year for UFR defenseman. Those numbers are inflated because he plays with Claude GIroux, who's arguably the most talented 2 way foward in the game right now save Pavel Datsyuk and Sidney Crosby. Not to mention, didnt he play with Pronger 2 seasons ago?
I think you've been on MGoBlog too much
I ain't even mad. Thank you for pointing out my negligence.
I like your argument, but it is a tough call. +/- is more important to a defensemen than most people think. It ties into a good first pass out of your own zone, opposing forwards being frustrated, and your lines confidence when you are leading them. It is less important if you aren't the ring leader of the line.
Those are Carle's stats from 3 and 2 seasons ago. This season he was a +4 with 38 points, compared to +15 with 46 points for Suter. They're both good, but I think Suter is definitely coming off the better season.
Parise to Pens seems inevitable, unfortunately
Bobby Ryan seems more of a likely trade given that CBJ GM Scott Howson wants 4 of Jupiter's moons for Nash.
If the Wings land Suter, and K-Hol works his magic on a trade deal for Rick Nash, i think this will have been a nasty good free agency for the winged wheels...
Cleary and who else?
I honestly have no idea with Parise anymore. Clearly someone threw in a last ditch effort and it at least got him a little bit uneasy. I also think that he deep down really doesn't want to leave NJ, but can they pay him? He has had Brodeur talk to him a couple times yesterday and after the run they had this year he may be emotionally attached. With hockey and football players it's not uncommon to see guys stick around with a team for a long time despite being able to get more money somewhere else. With Suter I feel like it is between the Wing's and Nashville. My guy tells me that if he was going to stay with Nashville he would have already signed. But what do I know it would be very interesting to be a fly on the wall in all of these negotiating rooms.
Anyone else really like this signing? He's battled alcoholism most his career, is clean now (lots of personal troubles, feel sorry for him). We needed some grit in our bottom 6 fowards and he's one of the most feared hitters in the game right now.
He really is a little turd, and you absolutely hate him when he's wearing the other jersey. But I grew up playing hockey with a little guy named John VanCleave. He was about two feet shorter than anybody else, always pestering, talking trash, tenaciously relentless and quick to get under your fingernails. I HATED playing against him. But one year, he was moved on to our team. When we got the news, the whole locker room got in a bad mood and didn't want him. However, it only took one game to realize how fun/exciting it can be to have a little firecracker like that on your side. The only reason I am wary, and that I can understand others not liking him, is that he does take myriad dumb penalties. Between the 2 stupid offensive zone penalties per game we can always count on Abdelkader/Holmstrom/Franzen for, this could be the feather that breaks the camels back. We saw from this years playoffs that you can't spend half of the game in the penalty box and expect to win.
But, if he recognizes the opportunity here, to reinvent himself as both fiesty AND disciplined, and to be accepted and praised by the greatest hockey fans in the lower 48, he could work out to be a great, great signing...
I know exactly what you're talking about. Many times my biggest rival on other teams ended up a favorite teammate. Funny how that works.
Reminds me of Sheed Wallace. People always talked shit when I said I was a pistons fan but I always countered that you'd like him if he was on your team.
I think it means we're letting Abby go. I liked his hits, but I think Tootoo is a solid replacement.
It's possible they would trade Abdelkader's rights. I can't see them letting him walk though. If he goes, who centers the 4th line?
I'd say Emmerton, with Helm taking the 3rd and Filpulla taking the 2nd.
I do. I absolutely hated him while on the preds, but he's the kind of guy that works hard, pisses off opposing players, and draws penalties. Not going to score a lot but that's not his role. He's good at what he does and will be a solid piece for this team.
I like the signing, but I am cautious with it as well. I can't remember him doing too much against the Wing's and I believe he had some injury problems so maybe that kept him a little limited. I don't want to see him deliver any cheap shots as well, it's one thing to play physical, but I don't want to see any Raffi Torres type hits. The plus side as well is that if someone comes charging in at Jimmy or any other "star" Tootoo is the type of player that wouldn't have to be told to make that guy answer the bell and that is something we have been missing.
Just get Suter then go from there. I like the other guys we've signed but there is obviously still a need on defense. If we lock up Suter then I hope we can still get a top 6 forward, preferably without, as someone put earlier, giving up 4 of Jupiter's moons. Tootoo is a good player who will be a pain in the ass for other teams and Sammy should be more than enough of a replacement for Hudler. Ideally we would get Parise without giving anything up, but that's unlikely. Next on my wish list is Bobby Ryan because he wouldn't be as pricey as Nash. If we get Suter and one of those guys I'll be doing backflips though.
doesn't work out. I hope they get Shane Doan.
I think if Doan finds out the Yotes are staying in Phoenix, he isn't going anywhere. I hated when the Wings played against the prick, he gets under fans' skin. I would love to have him on the Wings, though.
Wouldn't mind Doan at all. Havent seen him play too much since I never watch the coyotes, but he almost killed us in the playoffs a few years ago and seems to play with a ton of passion and energy, and has talent to go with that. You can never have enough guys like that.
The 5 years I lived in Phoenix taught me to hate the Coyotes. So much in fact, that they surpassed the Blackhawks and the Avalanche as my most despised team. So, while Shane Doan is a heck of a player that almost any team would love to have, I'd rather not have the captain of the Coyotes defect to the Wings.
of Torres can't help. I can't believe the NHL reduced the length of that hack's suspension. I wonder if they also reduced the length of Hossa's concussion?
I still don't get why everybody is that upset about the length of the suspension being reduced. The suspension was originally set at 25 games to make sure Torres didn't return to the playoffs (the hit happened in Game 3 of the first round, so Phoenix hypothetically could have had 25 more playoff games after that if they made the finals and every series went to 7 games). Additionally, Shanny had said before the playoffs that since playoff games were more important, suspensions would be weighted appropriately (roughly something that would be 3 games in the regular season would only get 1 in the playoffs). So it's only natural that they would re-evaluate things upon appeal after seeing how many playoff games he actually missed. If Phoenix had lost in the 1st round, he'd probably be serving the full 25. Had they made the finals or had some series run longer, you'd probably be seeing more get knocked off. But I'm sure that under the CBA they can't just come out with the ruling "you're banned for the rest of the post-season, and maybe some next season depending on how your team does, we'll get back to you on that".
Just posbanged the shit out of you all. We hockey guys gotta stick together...
I'd love to get Parise, but I don't know if it'll happen. What we really need is to stay healthy, we do that we've got as good a shot as anyone to come out of the west.
Suter and Semin to the Wings. Semin is a good fit here he can play with his fellow russian datsyuk. Rick Nash will not happen.
I'd be more than happy with this.
Real talk, Bobby Ryan is a better option than Nash. He's cheaper, younger, and a right handed shot.
From the talking heads I don't think Ryan will happen. Detroit won't give up Fill.
When it's all said and done I think Semin and Suter are the guys we will get. Which I will be thrilled with.
The more I sit and think about it, the more I want Semin on the Wings. I know he's had effort issues, but the guy is good enough to get 40+ goals if he plays alongside Datsyuk. He's got probably the best wrist shot in the league and his hands are magic. If Babcock can get him to play with effort night in and night out, he could compete for a Rocket Richard.
Plus he's actually a fairly solid penalty killer based on his play for Team Russia, but Boudreau and Hunter never gave him a chance to play it at the NHL level. So Holland: grab Suter, let Parise do his thing in Pittsburgh (or Minnesota or New Jersey or Chicago or....), and get Semin for less money and similar impact.
Mike Babcock is in Minny right now. He must be visiting Parise.
Could be going anywhere since both DTW and MSP are Delta hubs. I'd be much more interested if (1) they had said they Babcock walking out if MSP and (2) we knew for sure that Parise is in Minnesota.
think of Jonas Gustavsson move? I liked Joey MacDonald.
Gustavsson went 17-17-4, with a 2.92 goals-against average and .902 save percentage this past season
MacDonald, went 8-5-1, with a 2.16 goals-against average and .912 save percentage
I like Joey too, but I don't think picking up Gustavsson was a bad move at all. He gets to be a backup to a solid goaltender, and the Wings have plenty of his countrymen to maybe get him into a better comfort zone. If there is one team that has done a very good job of getting the most out of its Swedes, the Wings are certainly it.
MacDonald wants a trade now, and I can't blame him. Dude's gotta do what he has to in order to get an opportunity.
If MacDonald would have played more games, his numbers would be much higher. Besides, Gustavsson was playing for the hapless Maple Leafs. Apples-to-Oranges in a statistic comparison. He's not going to play more than 20 games at most (if Howard stays healthy), so it's fine by me. I was fine with MacDonald though. Not going to be a big deal either way IMO.
As a former goalie, I can't say enough in support of your apples-to-oranges comment. I feel so bad for keepers on bad teams.
Remember...McDonald played with Lidstrom in front of him.
Gustavsson played with the whole Maple Leafs team in front of him...Speaks for itself.
I saw a scenario that would work good. Sign Suter and Semin and then trade for Bobby Ryan. I don't know who and the hell they would have to get rid of for Bobby Ryan but the cost would be much less than for Nash.
Franzen and Cleary, perhaps?
Admittedly I haven't looked much at the Ducks roster, so I'm not sure what they lack, but I'd be ok with those two leaving for Ryan.
I'd do Franzen and Cleary for Ryan straight up. Cleary hasn't been the same since 09 playoffs and Franzen is jus a mystery. Unstoppable at times in the past. Real streaky and seems to get injured a lot. Not strong on the puck at all. Best way to describe him in the 5 games against Nashville this year is "Weak".
I don't think the Ducks would take that deal; it gives them nothing that they need. Franzen's contract is going to make him really hard to move.
Franzen is definitely going to be the hardest piece to move. Keeping a guy under contract that long is always a bad idea. He had one amazing postseason, and from there has underwhelmed (relative to his contract).
Rumor is the Ducks want a 2nd-line center in the package for Ryan, so if we make a deal for Ryan, Filppula is probably going the other way.
I'm 100% ok with that. I do really like Fil, but if we could get Bobby Ryan, you'd have to let him go. Who else would the Ducks want?
So throw in Filp and get Ryan and some random ducks player to unload some of their salary? Then Zetterberg could center the second line and we could pick up Semin. Dats, Z, Ryan, and Semin doesn't sound like a bad start to an offense at all. Im just speaking out of my ass here because I love pretending to be Ken Holland at this time of the year. If we unload Franzens contract we should have plenty of room to make this happen if it's at all possible.
and don't for get Brunner who we picked up from Switzerland on Sunday. Babcock says hes a "top 6 forward right now".
Really? I don't know anything about him, but thats good enough for me. I also left out Bert and Sammy because they aren't at the same level as the guys I listed, but they should still be sufficient. It wouldn't surprise me if Bertizzi starts to really slow down suddenly though.
Yeah I think alot of guys like Bertuzzi, Franzen and Cleary are really going to be pushed to work if we slip these new signees/potential trades into the top lines. There was a point in time where Dats skated on the top line with Franzen and Bert at the same time. That's just not a good formula for the fast paced set up hockey that Z and Pav play.
Did Babcock really saw that? I watched two of his highlight videos and his skating looked terrible though he does seem to be a sniper
Pulled the quote out of the Freep article.
"He can play in our top six. He gives us a player for our top six. Now, the question is, he's never played on a smaller rink. But I loved him at Worlds. I think he has a chance to be a good player. I'm excited about having him. He gives us a right-hand shot on the power play. For me, it's a big deal. We sure think there's an opportunity here for him, now he has to do it. Going from the big ice to small ice, you never know for sure. But others have done it, so why can't this kid?"
Just saw this gem from Suter's agent in the Detroit News:
Suter's agent, Neil Sheehy, has heard enough. He tells The Associated Press: "When a young man is asked to commit for 13 years, why is it considered extraordinary to take a few days to make a decision? A deal will happen when it happens."
13 years? Uh-oh...
Come on Suter, You're a millionare who will continue to be a millionare and you will be playing for the Wings...pull the trigger.
Who are these guys? Any inside info?
Nicastro and Tvrdon
A quick google search shows that Nicastro was a 2008 draft pick, and Tvrdon a 2011 draft pick. Not big news, for sure.
I disagree about Tvrdon. He is one to keep an eye on. He was drafted late, buy that was solely due to a draft year injury. He's going to be good.
I take your disagreeal and look forward to his future, good sir. I admit, I have not seen anything whatsoever about him, nor have I looked for it. Hopefully you are the correct one in this instance.
Nicastro is relatively talented (at least AHL level) but has some off the ice issues to work through. He was suspended from the BU team last year after sexual assault allegations surfaced.
So he's got good character... that's what you're saying?
Pretty sure those charges got dismissed
You're right, I missed that somehow.
Still, the spate of discipline problems at BU last year was not greeted with shock by the BU Internet partisans. Regardless of the outcome of the case, a picture was painted that Nicastro has some growing up to do. Hopefully the change of scenery and the introduction to the Wings system will be good for him.
Flashbacks to the coaching search?
Jet is registered to the Red Wings and is leaving Madison for DTW. Suter on board? ZOMG SPECULATION!!!
I love the pizza pizza guy in the tail.
I hope that's an old picture. Ilitch needs to invest in a new paint job.
If I was flying in Michigan I would be on the radio askin if Suter was on board. Damn
Say the Wings get Suter and one of Semin/Ryan/Nash. Would they be any type of position next year to get Weber when he potentially becomes a UFA?
Without looking at the payroll and cap, so take this FWIW, I would imagine there's not a great chance. We'd have alot of money tied into Dats, Z, Kronwall, Franzen, Suter, and Semin/Ryan/Nash. I would think we'd have to make a move to open up some cap space.
No he will demand too much
Unlikely barring a cap increase similar to this year (which I would not bet on). Howard, Flip, Cleary, Nyquist, White, and Smith are all UFA/RFA next year and will eat up a lot of space, and they won't have much space left if they get both Suter and one of the big name forwards (I'd guess combined they'll need $14+ million per). So you're looking at $37 million committed next year, $14 million with Suter+X, and a guess at probably $16 million to get the aforementioned guys under contract. That's $67 million, and Weber will get $8+ next year, so a cap increase of $5 million would be necessary. Maybe if they trade Ericsson...
I hated Ericsson's contract when it was signed, and I hate it now. That is wasted money, no way he is worth $3.25 mil per. Underwhelming defender, makes way too many mistakes, and doesn't throw around his weight enough. He's a big guy, and he doesn't take advantage of that.
I've been riding the Ericsson hate-train for a long time now, but I don't think his contract is that ridiculous. As much as I'll grit my teeth saying this, he's been a fairly good penalty killer. He is a very high risk-mediocre reward sort of player and does not play up to his size very often.
But the contract is not what gets me, it's just having him take up a roster spot over Kindl/Smith. That I don't like one bit.
Do you really think that he's worth $3.25 million per season? That just seems like a crazy amount for a guy that likes to turn the puck over a lot. You're right, though, I'd much rather his roster spot be given to Smith or Kindl and let them develop more. I think they both have a much higher upside than Ericsson.
No way big E is worth half that. He has decent speed good size although he never uses it and his offensive game is awful. Brendan Smith should be playing right now and he should be in the minors.
Surprised not yoder any updates here. Looks like Detroit is very much back in the mix for both Parise and Suter. Speculation is that they are going to go as a package, which really only leaves a few options with Detroit and Philadelphia having the most cap room.