Thanks for stealing Jason's #1 spot on sportscenter's top ten, Kris! Oh wait, no one watches sportscenter anymore. Nm.
OT - Sunday Night Football - Lions/Packers
Tony S. shoveled the driveway and threw down some salt (at least from my viewpoint).
That's what I got. Oh the humanity of shoveling snow.
The penalty was legit under the rules, unfortunately, which ban "synchronized" celebrations. Since Bell (I think) came over and did the same as Scheffler, that was "synchronized."
I'm pretty sure that wasn't shoveling snow. I think he was digging for gold because when they finished with the whole shovel bit of the routine, he bent down and picked up a small object, then examined it, then gave an approving look of satisfaction, then placed the imaginary object into his imaginary pocket for imaginary safekeeping.
Unfortunately, it's from the replay and it is someone filming a TV, but for anyone who missed it the first time, here is the awesome "moment of reception"...
That catch was awesome.
And then Stafford throws the ball backwards...TD Pack. Always acheive failure, Detroit.
The Lions are cursed. What an absurd touchdown.
I'm not a lions fan so I do not follow them very closely however it seems like every time I see them play Stafford turns the ball over.
It isn't just Stafford.
I'm a bears fan, so I'm rooting for the lions to to tonight, but that TD was absurd.
More importantly, how long can you guys really keep Jim Schwartz? The lions are by far the undisciplined team in the league and he seems totally clueless. Every team has its fair share of idiots an/or trouble makers but the lions seem full of them.
It started with the harbaugh thing, then Suh, then its just gotten progressively worse. There may be a fine line between "physical/bullies" and totally undisciplined cheap shot artists. Just look at the penalty they took after the TD tonight...or the challenge flag on thanksgiving.
I'm a bears fan, so I hope he stay 25 years, but if I'm a lions fan I want his head on a stake. He's taken a talented core and wasted 2/3 years with his only successful playoff run the year the bears fell apart through injury.
If he doesn't turn things around next year he's getting shitcanned
One Super Bowl appearance. Your OL sucks and your offense is meddling. Cutler and Marshall are douchebag extraordinaries'. I don't see the Bears winning a Super Bowl with Mike Tice as your OC.
2-3 years were NOT wasted. Stafford is in 4th year, but he missed most of the first two with injuries.The Lions front office did "waste" last offseason by not drafting more defensive help.
They should have been much better this year though. Undisciplined play has played a huge part in that.
Offensively, they are solid, but still need a good third down back. Defensively, they still lack the talent at DE and in the secondary to be a top 15 defense.
This team needs to mature over this offseason. They also need to add defensive help at CB, S, and DE.
So you're saying you'd like to keep Jimmy Jocksniffer for another season?
Outside of that your argument is "bears should have won more games 25 years ago, Culter and Marshall are unlikeable and our O-line blows"
Well, you're right, our offensive line does suck and Tice has struggled with the consistency of his plays, but wre still in the thick of the division and playoff chase.
In all honestly, you guys probably have more talent on your roster than we don, but Schwastz and co. Have done their best to crap all over it. That's why our games matter and yours don't.
Can you even remotely defend Schwartz's handling of the thanksgiving flag? The wide receiver diva situation? Suh's continued insistence to play dirty even when it hurts the team. The Harbaugh thing? The penalties? The arrests?
You and I both know the lions are better than their record. The blame for that falls on the head coach...
The Bears have infinitely more talent overall than the Lions do, any reasoning against that is a pretty flawed argument.
Schwartz took over when this team was 0-16. Much of that talent you speak was added by Schwartz and Mayhew.
THe Lions are more talented offensively, but the Bears have more talent defensively. It's a wash.
Yeah, the Lions should be better. But they still lack talent in certain areas They also need to mature.
The Bears never had to come from 0-16. I really don't think you appreciate how far the Lions have come in such a short time period.
Every team in the league lacks talent in certain areas. As you mentioned our O-line sucks and are safety play has been atrocious all season.
What you seem to ignore in all your responses is that Schwartz seems to condone the undisciplined play that has undone the lions countless times over the past few seasons. Either that or he's just in totally over his head -- which is possible after how he blew that challenge on Thanksgiving.
I understand how awful the lions were, and I appreciate their improvement, but to a certain extent it's merely a regression to the mean. As stafford got healthy and Megatron began to emerge as the best WR in the NFL they were bound to win at least 4-5 more games.
In my opinion you're giving him way to much credit. This team could/should be better.
I hope they don’t fire him, a look at Lions history says this would be a bad move. Like everyone else just keep drafting well (DB's Please) and carry on smartly.
Oh bullshit. The Lions record is an accurate barometer of their talent. They have one or two top-level players, a great bunch of mediocrities, and their usual quantity of complete boneheads. In other words, it's no different than at any other time since 1964.
It never ceases to amaze me how Lions fans can delude themselves year in and year out. As long as the Fords own the franchise, nothing will change. The Lions will be barely mediocre for 7 years, then have an absolute crap year, then when they've got a really easy schedule and a high draft pick or two they'll uncork an 11-win season that will goose fan enthusiasm and every Lions fan from Grand Rapids to Port Huron will be penciling them into the Super Bowl the next season. Then they'll go 4-12 like they will this season, and the cycle will repeat itself ad infinitum. Periodically there will be a shakeup in the front office when the fans start wearing paper bags on their heads at the games, and the Fords will hire another in a 50-year string of incompetent GMs, who in turn will hire another string of clueless head coaches who after they're fired will never again get a head coaching job in the NFL.
That's the amazing thing about the Lions coaches hired by the Fords: not a single one of the men they've hired to be their full-time permanent head coach has ever gone on to be a head coach at any other team in the league. (Dick Jauron was an interim coach for five games in 2005 after Mariucci was fired. He was not retained for the 2006 season; instead the Ford/Millen brain trust hired Rod Marinelli. Jauron was subsequently hired as HC by Buffalo). Considering how many coaches have coached at multiple stops, that's a remarkable achievement by the Fords. Even Rich Fucking Kotite got a second chance, but none of the losers the Lions have hired and fired have ever been on the sidelines as a head man again.
Maybe because most of the guys they hire
A. Weren't that great of head coaches to begin with
B. Coordinators that weren't head coach material
The really ironic thing is that the Lions have had one head coach with a winning record in Detroit since 1972: Gary Moeller.
Moeller took over for Bobby Ross in 2000 and finished at 4-3. He was let go and replaced by Marty "I'll take the wind—not the ball—in overtime" Mornhinweg.
the Thanksgiving flag. The rule is stupid as fuck...why wouldn't he throw the damn flag?
Just another way to job the Lions...ALMOST as bad as the Calvin Johnson "no TD catch" against your beloved Bears. Worst call in sports EVER.
Talented core, sure but the Lions are so incredibly top heavy when it comes to overall talent. Stafford, Calvin, and Suh are top players at their position but this team still lacks overall talent and depth, seriously look at 3 players in the secondary tonight: Jonte Green, Ricardo Silva, and Don Carey...those are practice squad players at best.
Hate on Schwartz and the undisciplined players all you want it's valid criticism, but this team still has a talent deficiency and that falls on Millen first and Mayhew now. If you think this is just coaching you don't know much about the Lions as a whole.
That is the Lions I am used to. Wtf?
Poor route running.
This is textbook William Clay Ford Lions. Crater their season and then do their best to ruin their chances at a great draft pick. I am rooting for the lions to lose the rest of the season.
The last time Detroit won at Green Bay.... I was 2
I wasn't even alive...
That's a reputation penalty. Nothing more.
Even if true, what's the point? You can't hit a quarterback late in the NFL. There's no point, and you will get flagged. Suh needs to learn to not be 9 years old anymore and realize Rodgers isn't going to be intimidated by being pushed to the ground by him.
There is a huge talent deficiency on the Lions. They handled Titus Young fine--they gave him chances after chance and he messed up so he's not playing anymore. Broyles should take his spot next year and I liked his play this year. The special teams needs work--I really don't understand why Logan is on an NFL roster. I know I'll probably catch shit but if Suh can't keep his head on straight, trade him for draft picks before he gets too toxic and we can't get shit for him. Fairely, while boneheaded in his own regard, isn't nearly as bad. Also, I think we found a good third down back in Joique Bill.
Yeah, you're going to catch shit.. Trading our best defensive player for a draft pick? You never know, if we're lucky we might get a player with half the talent of suh..
Well I said picks as in more than one. I'm just saying at what point does his baggage on and off the field become more than it's worth? I'd rather get something for him before he's seen as a cancer/uncoachable and that might be the case if he continues down his Haynesworthesque path.
If the Lions ever get some good pass rushing DE's that would make life so much easier for Suh and Fairley who have really played at a pro bowl level over the last few weeks.
Our LBs are miserable.
And our secondary is worse.
The offense has gone stagnant, please bring in Mike Thomas for Kris Durham.
is pathetic and he sucks, yea I'm talking about you Raiola
What is the point of going 3-3-5 when the DBs are all awful?
Calling zone on that circumstance is like having Vincent smith run up the middle. These coaches are a joke.
So... Who are the lions going to draft this year?
Hopefully Demarcus Milliner. The glaring needs are at: S, CB, DE, G, and WR (somehow this is still a need).
A wr or punter
It doesn't matter; they will fail to develop him, just as they have not done a thing with most of their top picks since the 60s.
Rodgers could have really gotten hurt on that late hit
Silence is fucking underrated in NFL announcing. I swear if the crowd gets loud and the game atmosphere gets interesting, the announcers just spew their unnecessary or redundant comments even louder.
And they're horrible in general.
So who us coaching the lions next year? Cower? Gruden? Narduzzi?
If you think Schwartz is getting canned this year you truly have no idea how the Ford's work. He deserves one more year and if they underachieve again then he should rightly be fired.
Well in that case, never mind!
Does anyone besides Calvin go up to make a play on the ball? Scheffler sticks one arm out on 3rd down, Durham just watches balls fall in front of him. Damnit I miss Burleson and Broyles.
I, without a doubt, am more intelligent than the Lions coaching staff. 8 seconds before 2 minute warning with a punt upcoming and they use their last timeout. Have they ever fucking watched how much time a punt takes? Holy shit.
What's with Stafford's side-arm bullshit?
Looking at http://www.nfl.com/teams/statistics?team=det, the Lions have outgained their opponents over the year by about 900 yards, and they have 50 more first downs over the year. They have been outscored by 19 points this year overall, and have a -6 turnover ratio.
Unfortunately, these stats do not include complete dumbass plays (CDPs). I'm sure the Lions are at a +50 for that this year....
Did you just go full retard? How are you wildly overrated when you throw for over 5,000 yards and 41 TDs? He's completing 3% few passes this year than last, which is hardly a big drop off and a 60% completion percantage is not low. It doesn't help your percentage when your team leads the NFL in dropped passes.
Here's a list of QBs with a higher completion % than Stafford. The only ones I'd rather have than him are Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees.
Do you even watch Lions games? He bails this team out so fucking often it's not even funny. People here don't know what a QB looks like. Stafford is an excellent QB. He makes great reads and changes plays as necessary really well. His biggest problem is he has a little Favre gunslinger in him but he's still young and coachable. Seriously watch him, he completes passes QBs have no business completing.
(I'd like to see) Manti Te'o
(what is more likely for cursed Lions) Matt McGloin
and they were not hired or even interviewed by the Fords for HC:
Raymond Berry (took Patriots to Super Bowl)
Chuck Knox (7 division titles with Rams, Bills, and Seahawks)
Marty Schottenheimer (6 division titles with Browns and Chiefs, incl. 3 AFC title games)
Don Shula (all time leader in wins, 6 Super Bowls with 2 teams)