Does anyone know what Stoops'
Contract
Since it's a public university, it's available to the public. Page 4 has info on compensation.
It looks to me like he makes $1.8 mil base salary, increasing by $100,000 every year he's at Oklahoma. He makes $600,000 for speaking engagements. Then there are a bunch of bonuses, the largest being $100,000 for a BCS game and $150,000 for an appearance in the BCS MNC game.
Overall, Wikipedia says he'll make $3.675 million this year plus incentives. Not quite sure how that all works out, but it's Wikipedia, so it can't be wrong, right? /sarcasm
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Usually people on MGoBlog are
Usually people on MGoBlog are pretty good about their "sources." Howeva, I don't know if I believe this. I don't know how I feel about Stoops coaching ND.
Last I heard, he hasn't
Last I heard, he hasn't signed yet...he is mulling this over with his family. My source is close to a booster at ND...but like I said, FWIW.
I don't know...
I just don't think he's going to leave Oklahoma. Here's an interesting article on the situation. It's pretty cut and dry:
“How unprofessional,” Stoops said Wednesday. “I saw the report Tuesday morning and I’m thinking someone has sold this guy [ESPN’s NFL reporter Adam Schefter] a bill of goods. Someone is trying to get this guy fired — because he got nothing right.”
I’ll get to why I’m bringing this all up again in a moment. First, let’s get it all out there.
There never were any negotiations. Period.
“Nobody I was with negotiated anything,” Stoops said. “If my agent is talking [to anyone], I am. And if he’s talking to someone without my knowledge, it will be the last time he represents me.”
Seems pretty clear to me. And this is nothing against you, icefins, I'm just saying I highly doubt this is gonna happen...
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No, I agree. We'll see what
No, I agree. We'll see what happens. It doesn't sound like Stoops is going anywhere but from what I hear, it's the complete opposite.
Yeah, it's not like we
Yeah, it's not like we haven't seen coaches lie through their teeth before, right? *coughNickSabancough* Whoa, excuse me there...
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Yep
I expect that every coach in that situation would lie about it. They don't want to blow their current job because the new job may not work out. Coach Kelly is side-stepping reporters right now, but he's definitely thinking about ND.
I can only continue to reference the fact that I live in an onion factory.
offer
you may be right about an offer. but the key is whether or not stoops accepts it. i actually think he will take the deal. because even he has been under some scrutiny recently at OU. so why not jump at the cash.
Interesting article. He as much as admitted
he received an offer from Notre Dame which would be consistent with what the OP said:
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“How unprofessional,” Stoops said Wednesday. “I saw the report Tuesday morning and I’m thinking someone has sold this guy [ESPN’s NFL reporter Adam Schefter] a bill of goods. Someone is trying to get this guy fired — because he got nothing right.”
I’ll get to why I’m bringing this all up again in a moment. First, let’s get it all out there.
There never were any negotiations. Period.
“Here is what I don’t ever want to do, this time or any time,” Stoops said. “I never confirm or deny whether somebody has offered me a job or not. One thing I will never do is interview for one.
“Whether somebody says to me or my agent, ‘Here’s what it is,’ I never set up a negotiation or anything like that. But if somebody throws something at us, I never acknowledge or deny it. That way, they save face if I don’t take [the job] and I don’t have to acknowledge whether some one did [offer] or not.”
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In other words, ND may have offered me a lucrative contract that I will think over and talk to my family about, but I'm not going to tell you. And, as I've made clear in the past, I don't negotiate or interview for other jobs, so if you want me, you'd better make it a very lucrative offer!
When did your mother let you out of the basement Mr. Rosenberg?
to parse this, he denies
to parse this, he denies negotiations. he does not deny contact and he does not deny interest. the bit about his agent talking to anyone is pretty deniable also, that is why you have an agent. if he were just staying put forever, why have an agent?
All coaches have agents.
All coaches have agents. They negotiate endorsements, speaking fees and whatnot.
Salary
$3,800,000 annually.
http://www.americasbestonline.net/index.php/pages/collegehighestpaidcoac...
Not sure what his incentives are though.
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing.
I wouldn't mind Stoops going
I wouldn't mind Stoops going to ND. Remember the last time RR and Stoops squared off?
It's better to hate to lose, than love to win.
...never?
Good ol' Bill
...never?
Good ol' Bill Stewart laid waste to the Sooners after Rich Rod came here in 2007. Still, it was RR's players that kicked the crap out of Stoops. Take that for what you will, but RR did not do the deed hisself.
You are absolutely right sir.
You are absolutely right sir. I stand corrected.
It's better to hate to lose, than love to win.
not just RR's players
but his gameplan and his offensive coordinator. bill stewart had little to nothing to do with that win.
So why'd they hire him?
So why'd they hire him?
I'm prettys sure
WVU fans have been asking themselves that exact question for the last couple seasons. It seems pretty clear that he's out of his element as a head coach
Nothing is clear. Jury is still out ...
9-4 in year one. 8-3 YTD year two wihtout Pat White. One loss on the road at Auburn and a second loss by 3 points to the #5 team in the country. Just beat biggest rival who was ranked in Top 10. Chance to beat pretty good Rutgers team this weekend. His record doesn't support "out of element" at this point.
Coach Stew may well indeed turn out to be ill equipped to bring WVU the kind of success they had under RR, but it seems his tenure was sabotaged in the public's mind the moment he got the nod. Big WVU boosters talking shit about him. The internets clearly not hip on him. Talking heads on the WWL giving less than ringing endorsements. But he's done alright so far.
Charlie Weis did alright too
Charlie Weis did alright too his first two seasons. Time will tell.
I agree that his record has
I agree that his record has been solid, but I also feel that he's benefiting from talent RR brought in. I expect a steady decrease in wins for WVU over the next several seasons, but you are right, only time will tell.
You're right, Barebain
I'm not saying he's Nick Saban. Just observing that all of the anticipation of him falling on his face hasn't come to fruition yet. It seemed like a lot of people have been way eager to say, "See what a clown you've hired?" They may get their wish one day, but I'm kind of rooting for the guy.
Yeah, my comment was a little
Yeah, my comment was a little tongue-in-cheek, I really think that they're kicking themselves.
Bill Stewart
I never thought I'd stand up for the guy, but he's done a solid job at WVU. Not sure how you can call him "out of his element." He is 17-7 as head coach, and that's not counting the Okalahoma game. And, he took over right as Slaton left, and White left a year later.
As far as recruiting goes...
In 2008, he had only half a year to recruit and he got three 4*s.
In 2009, he got six 4*s.
For 2010, he's currently at four 4*s. That's a total of 13.
For comparison, in RichRod's last three years, RichRod had a total of four 4*s and two 5*s.
So yeah, I hate to be "that guy," but Bill Stewart has done a hell of a job so far. Not sure how you can take that away from him.
I kind of doubt that they
I kind of doubt that they didn't want Kelly simply because he campaigned for a pro-choice candidate.
Not trying to open up the proverbial can of worms, but the law school had one of the most pro-choice presidents in recent history give a speech and get an honorary degree. Sure it outraged a lot of people, but if ND didn't care then, they likely won't care now.
If it was off the field issues alone, sure I would buy that.
well...
Notre Dame leadership didn't anticipate, I don't think, the amount of backlash they got from Obama's speech at commencement last year. The bishop refused to attend and there are certain alumni who have made very clear that they were not pleased about the speech and would probably take a very dim view of hiring an avowedly pro-choice football coach so soon after the controversy last year.
Would this be a deal-breaker? I don't think so by itself, but I think it could carry at least a little more weight than many think.
Giving someone an honorary degree . . .
and/or inviting that person to speak is very different from hiring someone. No matter how warmly he was received or what his honorary degree said, Obama was still an "outsider" after his appearance at Notre Dame.
Notre Dame's football coach is not only an "insider" in the sense that he's an employee, he's also one of the most prominent -- maybe the single most prominent -- public faces of the university.
Many in the Catholic church hierarchy want to excommunicate anyone who takes a public pro-choice position. I bet there are many influential people associated with ND who just can't tolerate the idea that the football coach would be known to be pro-choice. Being pro-choice may not necessarily be an automatic disqualifier at ND, but I would not be surprised if it was.
I am not personally Catholic
but I have many Catholic friends and if you think something llike this wouldn't be a factor I can say you are wrong.It may or may not be a deal breaker, but I can tell you it will definitely factor into the equation somewhere.
I have friends in the medical profession that are Catholic and, despite what medical ethics may dictate and the opportunity to make money, they will not practice things like perscribing birth control to patients or councilling a person that an abortion/fetal reduction (in the case of a multiple pregnancy) is in the best interest of the woman.
It is easy for non-Catholic people to think this is absurd, but I promise you that to them, this is a massive issue.
MONEYMONEYMONEY
MONEYMONEYMONEY
Stoops vs. Rodriguez and the press
First, I would like to reiterate others in that I'm not ready to believe that Stoops is going to jump at the money.
However... This is an interesteing deal, and after Stoops' comments about staying at OK, rumors that he is building a house in town, general Face of the Program type reputation there - I wonder if the college football world would go ape over his (hypothetical) acceptance of the offer the same way they did with Rodriguez?
Would they, or do the golden boys - Stoops and ND - get a pass? Would the criticism suddenly switch from the personal character type issues of Rodriguez to the more general college-football-is-going-to-hell-think-of-the-children type stuff?
I think I know my answer.
"not ready to believe that Stoops is going to jump at the money"
Johnny Damon also said he'd never be a Yankee.
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing.
sorry
I think he is dumb if he goes to ND heres why
1.He already is paid
2.Has won a national title played in 2 other ones
3.Has won 6 Big 12 championships
4.Is like 5 miles away from one of the most fertile recruiting states in the US top 2 or 3 I would say, and basically all of OU players are from there.
5.The big 12 south is a joke whoever wins the red river shootout goes to the big 12 championship game where they will play some scrub. (Nebraska Kansas Mizzou)
We will have our vengeance- Michigan football 2010
Coaches Lying
In this case I find it acceptable for coaches to lie. What do you want them to say? 'I'd consider a job at Notre Dame?' And then have their players think he's outta here. The appropriate thing for them to do is say 'I'm staying at Oklahoma' and let the media speculate on whatever they want. Stoops' comment posted by e.go.blue seems quite clear - he's not negotiating with ND. But... He may.
Brewer. Wolverine.
He'd be a nutter
Stoops made $6M in 2008. He makes big $ there already.
OK has arguably equal or better tradition and records than ND.
Look here: http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/m-footbl-quick-facts...
This is not like RR going from small town WV to the big time.
It would be a transfer of equal if not a step down.
life is like a box of chocolates... and you got the Whizzo Quality Assortment
step down
Not sure that I would call ND a step down from OK. Yes, OK has been better than ND in recent years - who hasn't? - but their tradition is hard to match. How many other 6-6 schools firing their head coach would get the same amount of coverage as ND?
I like the approach...
"...neither confirm nor deny." The best usage of it was when middle-aged Harry Caray was accused of boffing St Louis Cardinals owner Augustus Busch Jr's daughter-in-law. I think the approach did a lot more for his repuation than either confirming or denying would have.
yes
+1 for the excellent use of boffing to describe an excellent individual.
If it's only about the money,
If it's only about the money, OU could easily match this. An extra couple mil a year is peanuts for them. If Stoops were to ever leave OU, it would only be because they passively let him go.
Here goes...
A good friend of mine is a big ND fan. He is from southern MI, very near the IN border. His best friend, who still lives in the area I described, is good friends with one of the student managers on the ND football team, who also works in the ND football office.
Yesterday, my buddy informed me that the ND student manager and my buddy's friend had a conversation regarding Bob Stoops and ND. The ND football manager told my buddy's friend that Stoops to ND is a done deal. I trust my friend, and I've also met his best friend, he is a good guy and also a huge Michigan fan.
I guess with these things you never actually know until you know, but it seems like things point more and more to Stoops.
"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."
- Jack Handey
I go to ND Law
as I have said before, and the rumor on campus is that Stoops to ND is a done deal, for what it's worth (not much)
I've been called the songbird of my generation, by those who have heard me. THAT GOOD
To be fair, Les Miles was a
To be fair, Les Miles was a "done deal" two years ago, at least according to rumor on campus.
My gut feeling is that your
My gut feeling is that your friend is right. However, my boss is a Sooner and is following this pretty closely. A couple things make him think Stoops is staying at OU (other than wishful thinking!) Stoops is building a giant house just outside Norman and is probably getting a pretty good deal on it. Being able to say you built Bob Stoops' house is awesome for business. Also, the cost of living in Oklahoma is significantly lower than it is up here. Oh, and um the president of the university came out and said he's not going anywhere:
http://www.fanblogs.com/big12/003591.php
Is it common for presidents to step in and make a statement like that? (Seriously wondering...)
You'll be better and you'll be smarter and more grown-up and a better daughter. . .
You work for a Sooner in
You work for a Sooner in Michigan?
"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."
- Jack Handey
Cowboy boots and everything.
I sure do! He grew up in Oklahoma and went to Medical School there. He's a season ticket holder and flies down (and around, when OU's away) to as many games as his schedule permits. He has allllll kinds of cowboy boots and loves his steak. "Jen, you know what I say about vegetarians, right? You don't live longer, but it sure feels like it!" <3
You'll be better and you'll be smarter and more grown-up and a better daughter. . .
I hate to do this =[
But I just re-read that article again, and realized it is from 2004 when the Gators fired Zook and Stoops-to-UF rumors were all the rage.
I also feel bad because I am the one who replied to that post, therefore locking it from being edited.
"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."
- Jack Handey
:( Google failure.
In related, equally-compelling news, (love you, google!)President Boren believes on game day, fans should not replace the last word in the national anthem with "SOONERS!"
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OU/article.aspx?subjectid=92&artic...
You'll be better and you'll be smarter and more grown-up and a better daughter. . .
There are so many sources,
There are so many sources, and so much speculation out there. I'm not buying into anything until it's officially announced by the University.
Right
I mean, I could seriously believe this is true, because unless the student manager was feeding a line to my buddy's friend (or has a totally off-base source), I have no reason to think my buddy or his friend are lying; both are stand-up guys.
However, like you said, until Swarbrick is standing next to Stoops or Kelly or whomever with a shit-eating grin on his face, it's hard to give it too much thought.
"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."
- Jack Handey
OK, I have this friend......
who lives in Conklin, MI and he loves bubble gum. Well, he knows this guy who works at the Bubbalo chewing gum Co. and my friend told be they are coming out with a Charlie Weis commemorative gum flavor in light of his recent firing. It tastes like biscuits and gravy and has a gushy bacon fat liquid center. If you send in 50 proof of purchase seals, you get a free pair of kaki pants with a 60" waist band.... They think the kids will love it....
“Oh Yeah, what he said forgodsakes...” - -
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Does anyone know what Stoops' current contract details with OU are?