Hello, Nick Saban!
OT: Source: Mack Brown Stepping Down (EDIT: Perhaps Not Happening)
I just had a seizure. Thanks.
Can we stop posting single tweet as real news?
Man am I rooting for Saban to be out of Bama. Do we turn anyone at that point? Any Texas guys we were looking at? Let the premature speculation begin...
The only two Texas commits we've offered are Texas LB Otaro Alaka and Louisiana CB Jermaine Roberts.
To clearify, we're talking about kids that commited to Texas who might then decommit because Nick Saban would be their new coach? The same Nick Saban that has been called the greatest college football coach of all time?
If anything - this would solidify existing committed recruits...put concrete stamps on recruits waffling on Texas, AND bring along some of his 'Bama recruits - I hear Texas has a GREAT engineering program.
The man asked a question, and I answered it.
That's exactly the problem. Don't you know what this board is really for?
It's also possible that Saban gets there and decides he doesn't want certain kids, because he wants to fill those spots with other kids (I imagine some of the top Bama kids would follow him, or kids from TX who passed on the Mack Brown longhorns but want in on the Saban team).
So it's entirely possible certain UT commits would become in-play.
HOW DARE YOU, GOOD SR?!?
Saban, he gone. If not to Texas, then maybe to the Washington Bravehearts but I think that is Jon Gruden's job to turn down first. Muschamp is out at Florida. They might be waiting on Franklin from Vandy. Narduzzi will get either the UConn or the soon to be vacant Vandy job. Boise has a vacancy that Dennis Erickson can probably fill.
This is all speculation but doesn't it make sence? Also, it is so much more fun to speculate about other teams' uncertainty. Hand, McDowell and Ballage....let's complete this class and focus on a B1G title and a trip to the playoff. Word to engineering majors, 6'2" running backs putting up 4.3 forties and killer DE who can play in three different spots. Oh let's do this.
Stepping down........right. They probably told him to get out to save him the embarassment of firing him. Now they can build a statue of him and tell everyone look he was our winningest coach and he retired on his own. What a load of shit!
Just kidding, yup I'm sure know one is buying this one.
Lloyd Carr absolutely and positively retired on his own terms. It was an open secret that he was going to do so, but Bill Martin was SURPRISED when Carr broke the news to him after The Game in 2007. If we on Mgoblog cannot even get that right....cripes.
That event (Carr stepping down) was what made me a devotee of Our Fearless Leader (aka the Man with the Beard). Brian called it a week before it happened, about the Mon-Tues of The Game that year -- that on the Monday following the game, Carr would step down. And that's exactly how it went down. Brian said he had a boy in the office (so to speak), the proverbial unnamed sources.
So it wasn't merely an "open secret," it was actually PUBLIC.
Didn't Carr want to retire after the 2006 season, but they talked him into coaching one more year?
Bill Martin talked him into returning, but not necessarily for any specified amount of time, because he was caught off-guard a year later.
we have this.
was Kim Jong-il.
I think you mean "Supreme Leader"
i think you mean "Dear Leader."
Yes, same. I can't believe I'd forgotten that, but that was (IMO) a watershed moment for the blog. I remember feeling almost proud that Brian was right, since I'd been reading the blog for awhile and telling fellow M fans that they needed to be reading it regularly.
But what is his buy out clause?
I don't think there is a buyout clause in his contract. There wasn't one in 2009 and I'm not sure if there was on added when he got his contract extended last year.
Why is everyone on this board obssesed with Saban. Who cares? He plays in the SEC and he wont play for a national championship this season. we dont play against them and his coaching doesnt affect Michigan. How bout we hope they offer Dantonio or Narduzzi
I'm sure people are hoping that Saban to Texas would mean Hand to Michigan. I do not have this hope, but that's my guess.
Why wouldn't he just commit to UT?
They don't have an earthquake simulator?
Because he committed to Bama for the "academics."
The young man committed to Alabama because he could study engineering there and play championship football. Alabama happens to be listed in USNWR as a A+ school for B students.
It's not that Alabama sold him on their engineering program being better than our engineering program: just better than the other degree program Michigan was steering him to. (Personally, I would rather my son study engineering if I were his father.)
The time committed to playing football would make it very hard to compete with other engineering students at Michigan. We'll see if he really majors in engineering, but just maybe Alabama was the better choice for someone who wanted to be competitive in both an engineering degree program and one of the top D1 football programs.
The bigger issue is the competitive disadvantage this puts us at, in the very place we thought we had a competitive advantage. Alabama found a way to work around our "Global Degree" selling point. We lost.
Wish he went Blue, but we cannot fault the guy for making a reasonable choice.
cause tennessee is terrible, why would anyone go there?
I get the impression that people think if Saban leaves Michigan might flip Hand. That is my guess as to why so many here are eager about Saban. No idea if there would be any truth to that anyway.
Connect the dots.
La la la la.
Connect the dots.
Nice Pee Wee Herman reference.
Click on the link, and check out UT's class for 2014. It's not the list of four and five star guys that they seem to always have.
Right. Then click on Texas A&M and you will see the main reason Mack is out (not discounting losses, but when you can't outrecruit A&M at UT you are done).
Well, before this recent turn in the Mack Brown saga took place, the Dallas Morning News was hard at it, as you might expect - (LINK).
Nothing about this as it was written earlier, but interesting stuff in the article, particularly how Brown's fate might be partially tied the employment prospects of Bill Powers, the UT President, as Powers found himself and his future an agenda item at a Board Of Regents meeting supposedly.
They did ask an intriguing question that might get some discussion going here:
"If Saban goes off the board, is there a no-brainer replacement for Brown who would be realistic, attainable and an upgrade?"
The problem with firing Coach X (and sometimes I want him fired - don't get me wrong) is that you almost never have a sure thing waiting around. Meyer to OSU was a fluke. Charlie Strong seems like the surest thing out there, but even then you never know how a school's/state's alums and high school coaches will take to a guy.
These are the guys they'll choose from:
- Nick Saban (Obviously they'd love to have him. Friend in Bama athletic dept told me Bama will pay him whatever he wants, so money isn't an issue. Saban will leave if he wants a new challenge...personally, I don't think UT is a challenge)
- Art Briles (Knows the state of Texas. Can they get him to flip? Is he too old? Imagine the talent on the field when he can recruit to Austin)
- Kevin Sumlin (Knows the state of Texas. My feeling is they'd love to have him, but not sure if they can flip him from A&M. Manziel heading to NFL will help the cause)
- James Franklin (One of the best young coaches in America. Probably not proven enough for Texas yet.)
- David Shaw (Probably top 5 coach in America, can recruit, can placate to boosters and will bring a toughness that UT has lacked the past few years)
- Will Muschamp (Will not get the job, but may get an interview based on previous deal to be coach-in-waiting under Mack)
- Mike Gundy (Knows the Texas/Oklahoma recruiting ground and is young enough to be around for a long time. Can't win the big game though)
- Kirby Smart (Bama assistant that is hailed as a coaching prodigy. Probably needs to have a smaller job to prove himself first)
- Kliff Kingsbury (UT may take a run at him just to try to beat others to him. Yes he's young and yes he's still unproven, but you can tell the guy will be a hell of a coach. IMO, despite being a magnet for recruits, not yet ready for big-time.)
What about Les Miles?
Those are actually Gruden's assistant candidates he just listed.
Jon Gruden not being on this list invalidates it.
NEVER put together a list of potential coach replacements without mentioning Jon Grudens name... Its in the bylaws. obvs
Washington is going to go after RG3's ole ball coach @ Baylor
Tex A&M coach still hasn't signed his contract extention, something is holding that up
Texans job is open
Texas and Mack Brown has been kicking around the idea of him leaving for a few years now. Muschamp was named HC in waiting down there then they re-thought that idea. They have been a mess for a while down there.
Interesting, Art Briles is only a few years older than Hoke and you're speculating on him being too old.
Sure, it's borderline, but think about it this way - Hoke was hired at 52, and Briles would be hired at 58. That's a decent discrepancy. If you think a coach wants to retire in his mid 60s, that would mean Hoke would be able to stay here for 13ish years, but Briles would only have 7 under his belt at the same age. I don't know if DB would have been so excited about hiring Hoke at 58.
Yes Lane Kiffin!!!
Saban leaves for Texas, brings his staff with him, Dantonio gets hired by Bama. Yeah, I know it's not gonna happen, but a man can dream, right?
The is not the best outcome becuase, ultimately, Dantonio's exit from EL leaves Narduzzi as the obvious replacement.
Best Case Scenario:
Saban heads to Texas, takes Professor Needs A Raise from Bama with him to Texas. Da'Shawn Hand repents his sins, commites to Michigan. Narduzzi hired at Bama, gets out of our hair. Dantonio retires to fulfill lifelong dream of being a door to door vacuum salesman (what, with his charm and all). Urban drowns his sorrows for losing B10 championship game to a vacuum salesman by aggresively pursuing various tail in Columbus. Gets caught, takes a break for the sake of his family.
BEST. CASE. SCENARIO.
"by aggressively pursuing various all-you-can-eat pizza locations and retires due to uncontrollable cholesterol levels..."
You know whats crazy about saban? in the last 10 years auburn has 3 sec championships and bama only has 2. I think him not winning the championship with bama this year actually makes it less likely he leaves. My guess is sumlin or briles. No amount of money is going to stop the texas boosters, its just going to be whether the coach wants to do it.
He just signed a big extension w/ A&M.
Reportedly agreed but not actually signed yet, but why does that matter anyway? coaches leave schools all the time with years left on their contract and texas isn't going to care about a buy out claus, that athletic department is practically a mint and they have unbeleviably loaded boosters.
Edit: not saying it will happen just that it will be sumlins call if they ask, the extension won't matter at all to texas. Malzahn, shaw, and meyer will also all get mentioned. Texas is just on another level financially, no school can match what they can if they really want to.
I think in my dream life I would be a Texas football booster. Live in a mansion paid for with oil money and care so blindly for UT football that I would write a blank check to my athletic department to help fund the hiring of the best football coach money can procure. And then go drink whiskey by my pool with my smoking hot wife.
Plus you can wear a cowboy hat everywhere you go and nobody will make fun of you!
So you essentially wanna be T. Boone Pickens?
I am pretty sure that Pickens is an OK State alum. That is where he keeps pumping his money anyway.
Pickens = Oklahoma (St.). This guy wants to be a TEXAN!
Couldn't you do all this and just substitute Michigan for Texas? Presumably that would be more of a dream given that you posted it on this blog.
It'd have to be "last name Ford or Ilitch or Meijer" or something like that.
Or Ross, he of the recent $200M giveaway (half of it to athletics).
I had assumed in-state was part of the image, and Miami is kind of a world away from Ann Arbor.
DeVos or Van Andel would work. MSU has one of those guys, his name is Peter Secchia.
I, sir, will bring the whiskey...
But Saban hasn't been there 10 years, so how many SEC titles does each school have since Saban arrived? /toolazytosearch
It's at least 2 to 2 since saban arrived, not sure when auburns third came versus when saban showed up.
Bama will not match every cent that Saban is payed by UT. There is no way he leaves. They even made a statue... wait, can Bama sell UT the statue?
I figure Nick would take the statue with him on the plane.
He had a good run but it's time to go. Defensively under Brown they're as good as you can get.
Offensively this program has been a mess for the better part of 10 years, but had six years between Vince Young and Colt McCoy keeping them above water.
They can't develop their linemen. All the talent in Texas and Mack Brown has had 1 running back break 1,000 yards since Cedric Benson left.
I think I made the same face as your avatar when I read that.
Why not? They've already got GERG*... We're putting the band back together!
*Who is apparently an okay-ish defensive coordinator so long as his head coach is not demanding that he deploy a defense that he clearly does not understand.
What's Tony Gibson up to these days?
He's back at WVU. Just landed a pretty good safety commit (Dravon Henry).
It would be funny if left RR left another good situation to rebuild a program with an impatient fanbase. What could go wrong?
Todd Graham is interesting... Texan as hell, ton of success.
And it begins.......
I know Alabama will do what it can to keep Saban, but Texas is on a different plane financially and, frankly, it isn't a community or school that would balk at paying Saban whatever he wants. I think he stays at Alabama because I'm not sure Texas is anything other than a lateral move for him at this point, but the notion that Texas will be caught in a numbers trap doesn't seem right to me.
The Longhorn Network probably puts Texas above just about anyone in the country financially.
Does the Longhorn Network make money?
Half of that apparently goes to athletics and half to academics...That's not as much money as I thought, and in fact, Big Ten schools apparently receive more than $7 million per year from the BTN (I'm not sure of the academics/athletics split of that money). So the Longhorn Network is not the difference-maker I thought it was.
I heard that Saban just bought a spaceship in Austin.
I think he went to Houston to get it and then had it moved on a flat bed.
He's actually gonna coach the Longhorns on Saturdays and the Houston Texans on Sundays...
Piffle... I just heard that Saban bought Austin.
Now that would set the tongues wagging...
some hilarious canidates like the obivious Gruden won but at lease we can all rule out Petersen now.
The canidates for texas is
2. Bryan Harsin former Texas OC
3. Muschamp which Florida fans hope for DC former coach in waiting
4. Chizik former Texas DC same as 3.
As for Franklin and Strong to me it seems more to be canidates for next year if Florida ever decides to move forward without Muschamp.
"Ate a live Longhorn" ftfy
I'll say it, I've always really liked Mack Brown. The side-by-side pressers and appearances he had with Lloyd around the 2005 Rose Bowl were surprisingly fun and engaging. They're a lot alike in a lot of ways, at two very similar universities. Which doesn't make it too surprising that he was chewed up and spit out by their fanbase in very similar ways.
too, mostly from that Rose Bowl. I've been sorry to see Texas struggle and the heat rise on him. To me it shows an ugly side of the school.
Most of the denials sound like corporate swahili for "We are negotiating the buyout terms as we speak."
...pretty sure they're corporatese for "the person formally responsible for that decision is about to be relieved of his duties and nothing will happen until he's replaced."
ESPN reporting that the Texas Board of Regents will be meeting on Thursday to discuss the future of the current school president. Looks like Mack's situation will be known on Thursday or early next week.
to Michigan?? Hoke to Texas? please be true
Talk about two downward movements...
Simple logic suggests he steps down, which would in turn create space for a more qualified individual.
Mack Brown is denying the reports as of now.
My sense is the Texas regents wants him gone, but due to his clout with boosters and certain administrators, getting rid of him is a complicated and risky task. Having said that, I don't see him coming back next year, and I suspect that this "announcement" will come to be seen as a botched attempt to nudge him out the door. The regents seem determined to push him out; they already sacrificed the AD DeLoss Dodds who was a Brown ally, and they appear ready to sacrifice the university president, another Brown ally.
The wildcard is that Brown's personal attorney and close friend, billionaire trial lawyer Joe Jamail, also happens to be Texas' biggest booster (the field at their stadium is named after him). He has publicly threatened to not only cut Texas off but to sue the school of Brown is forced out. So this could get very messy.
This is what I gather from the situation as well.
...I think/hope he wouldn't tear the program apart to save his job.
...but I'm guessing that if Jamail decided to try to take the program or the university down a notch, Brown wouldn't be able to do much about it.
If that's true, please pass the popcorn!
I wanted to post earlier, but my information is suspect. But what the hell.
I have a very good customer/dealer who is a big LSU alum/booster. They ran into a TX booster, who claimed he was on the search committee ( obviously not official search committee). They felt they had Saban for $10MM/year from UT and $5MM/year from boosters through back doors. Guaranteed them they highest paid assistants in the country as well. Remember TX has the longhorn network and unlimited money.
First off I know this is totally unsubstantiated, but I also know my customer, while he hates Saban because of what he did to LSU, he believes what he told me. I just can't verify the TX guy. This conversation was two weeks ago, before Auburn.
Flame me if you like, but this is fuel to the fire, weak fuel yes...
Also, why is D'antonio never mentioned as a serious candidate for a big time job? Not saying TX or AL, but you have to admit he took advantage of the RR years and is a pretty good coach. I hate him and MSU as much as the next guy, but if Bielma can go to Ark?
There just aren't many jobs that fall into that category of jobs that are better than MSU but not elite, and they only have openings so often. Washington was one, but they got Peterson. I could see him going to South Carolina when Spurrier retires. I just don't know how many jobs really fit that criteria.
D'Antonio is older. He's got health problems. His ties are all to the Midwest. He runs a defense-first program, which might hurt at some schools. He isn't a hot name, which will hurt at Texas. He is also a very, very boring Midwestern guy which might not jive with the Southern good old boys.
If Urban Meyer hadn't left Florida, then I think Dantonio would have been a good bet to take over at Ohio State. But that's the only other college job that would have been a good fit for him. He could bolt for the NFL if the mood should strike him. Barring that, however, I don't see him going anywhere (unfortunately).
Dantonio was born in Texas and played at South Carolina.
He doesn't want to leave State.
The only person that doesn't know what is going on appears to be him.
I think that describes everyday with Texas football.
Hell yes. POSbang thread cuz Hand is coming to Ann Arbor!?
I seem to rember hand saying he would follow Saban to TX? Not sure if I recall correctly, but since he chose AL because of their fine engineering program, over Michigan. I think it is safe to say academics probably was not the reason he went to AL?
If Saban goes there is always a chance, but I think hand is the new Demar Dorsey (without the academic issues, that is)
Lots of uncertainty in Columbus next year. DC may be on the move, senior OL graduates as does Hyde. The 22/3/4 win streak is over and not likely to be repeated, stock is at its peak. Braxton is going to be heavily leaned upon which means 1 injury from tanking the season.
Dantonio has the opportunity to be the Bo Schembechler of East Lansing if you ask me. If he keeps at it, he's going to be a legend up there. I think he wants that more than an ego trip down south.
I think Saban stays where he is. All the pieces are right there. He has a hand in losing the game to Auburn and hence knocking the team out of the NC game by attempting a foolishly low percentage field goal and not explaining to his guys they're gonna return a short kick. My guess is that burns him deep into the night and he wants another crack at it to avenge next year. TX would require a couple years of development to get recruiting and players up to snuff. I'm obviously not in that income bracket but what the heck do you do with the larger number of millions as a CFB coach? Start your own airline on the side?
I think we should just move on from DaShawn Hand. Great kid but he's made up his mind. I think he truly wants to study engineering, which is admirable but not likely as an elite D1 player.
Meyer isn't going anywhere that isn't Notre Dame or the NFL, and even then I doubt he's willing to go to either of those at this point.
But given his sleazeballishness, I guess it wouldn't shock me if he left, either.
Meyer isn't the right guy for the NFL. There can only be so many big egos in the room at once, in college he's king. In the NFL maybe not so much.
I still think he can keep Ohio going at a high level and it will bring M's game up that much more if he should stay.
Brian Kelley's going to launch himself into low orbit one of these days, despite Rees graduating. So coaching the Fig Things should open up fairly soon.
Believe it when it happens!
He is off camera talking to the guy in glasses.
Bleacher Report (yeah, I know) says someone is trolling Texas:
One prankster cashed in on Longhorns fans' enthusiasm by paging Saban at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport. Multiple Twitter users noticed the trolling page on the intercom asking Saban to meet his car at the curb.
I wish one way or the other they would settle this. I am sick of the uncertainty.
It sounds like he is definitely leaving from reports out there. The problem I have, how is he going to recruits homes and telling them to come to Texas? I may be wrong, but am very doubtful that he is telling the recruit visited today and subsequently the past few days, that he is leaving Texas. I guess it just really bothers me that these coaches can look at these kids to the face and not be truthful. I can't imagine being a football recruit, having Mack Brown come to see me today and sell the Texas program, and then resign a week later.
We should update this to "perhaps happening." Gone by the end of the week, reportedly.
So Mack Brown wins a couple Big XII titles, makes two national championships (deserved to be there in 2009 over Oklahoma) won one and possibly would have won if McCoy didn't get hurt, and that is not enough and recruits at a high level. Sounds a little like Lloyd Carr to me.
The Ft. Worth Telegram stated Saban to be the coach.
If so, what are the chances of poaching Hand?
Rumour is Saban will be paid $10mill a year with a 1% stake in the Longhorn Network.
ESPN has the biggest boner right now.
I think Nick Saban's financial advisor has the biggest boner right now, especially if he gets a percentage.
Do you think if Saban leaves bama fans would tear down his statue? Because that would be hilarious to watch.
He wouldn't have the academic restrictions he has at ND and he would be able to recruit real speed for his offensive style. Not saying he would be the best coach, but to poach the ND coach to Texas would be a fine feather in the 10 gallon hats of Texas.
Of course, if not Kelly, why Jabba? He would have a decided schematic advantage at Texas and could finally recruit the athletes to the level he needs to be successful.. After all he won Super Bowls.
Personally, I don't see Saban leaving. He is the KIng of Tuscaloosa and he can right his own ticket there. The only advantage would be much less competition to an undefeated season if he went to Texas. With WVa, Kansas and TCU in the conference, the Big XII would be much easier than the SEC with LSU, Auburn and whoever else rises up.
His ego is the biggest reason. Can he turn down the chance to coach in one of the most talent rich states for an unbelievable NC with three schools?
The successor will probably not be Saban(my thoughts). Don't know who, but I bet it's someone a little younger and someone who has been building a resume working up through the ranks of head coaches.
Please don't be Todd Graham. Please don't be Todd Graham.
From EDSBS's Mack Brown farewell speach:
"And screw you media types, too. Whinin' about how Longhorn Network's a whole channel with only one football team but never saying a word about the Big Ten Network, which has zero. You complain about me blaming my assistants, but Greg Robinson was an improvement over Manny Diaz. I can't say anything worse about someone than that. You go on and try. I can't, and I watched Greg Robinson fight with a three ringed binder like it was a giant clam for fifteen minutes this morning."
And that Bama administrators are growing more and more nervous as it remains unsigned. Saw it scrolling at the bottom of the screen.
I heard a great and plausible theory.
Brown out at Texas
Urbs to Texas (He allegedly flew to Texas and met with Boosters the day after the Michigan game)
Saban goes to NFL to coach Redskins (only mountain left to climb and Harbaugh and Carroll are doing very well)
Shanahan goes to Houston Texans (He's tried to leave Washington since last season)
That leaves Bama and OSU open. All of it is hilarious to me.