OT - Sour Brian Kelly Disputes Late Penalty That Cost Irish Game
Per the World Wide Leader
Brian Kelly indicates his disagreement with the referees at the conclusion of last evening's 31-27 loss to Florida State.
According to Coach Kelly:
"Actually I have less clarity," Kelly said during his Sunday teleconference. "I guess it was actually called on Will Fuller, not C.J. (Prosise). So [it] just adds more uncertainty as to the final play.
"But again, the play itself, in terms of what we ask our kids to do, it was pretty clear what happened on the play: Florida State blew the coverage and they got rewarded for it. It's unfortunate."
As per the play itself; Kelly saw no issue with the ND player but rather the Florida State player initiating the contact (that saw him blocked 4 yards into the end zone):
"All right, so he was on the point, we were in a bunch situation," Kelly began. "First of all, it's my understanding now that Will Fuller was called for the penalty, not C.J. So C.J.'s job is to get into the end zone and turn around and be a big target. He was immediately grabbed at the line of scrimmage. He's trying to get depth into the line of scrimmage, into the end zone so Corey can clear a path. And so as that contact was being made, it was seen, I guess -- I don't know who saw it as interference -- but you've got two guys that are trying to fight for space. We saw it as such.
Brian Kelly: "We don't coach illegal plays"
Never change Brian Kelly, never change.
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October 19th, 2014 at 11:20 PM ^
I mean, you can watch any college football game this year, and the same thing happens five times. I've never seen it called. You can say it was a penalty, and maybe it was, but like I said.. it is never called. I didn't like seeing it called there, in such a critical moment.IMHO, Notre Dame got robbed.
October 19th, 2014 at 11:24 PM ^
Completly agree. ND got hoe'd. I don't like the ref's dictating the outcome of games.
October 19th, 2014 at 11:56 PM ^
This is a fallacy. Doing nothing is in fact a choice. So if they don't call an obvious, blatant penalty, that's also dictating the outcome of games.
October 20th, 2014 at 11:26 AM ^
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...
October 20th, 2014 at 12:00 AM ^
ND cheated. They got caught. Kelly should really know when to shut up.
October 20th, 2014 at 1:04 PM ^
Yes you have a point but to take this to an extreme, you have no problem with someone being ticketed for jay walking then? People have a problem with the call because it's hardly ever flagged. Yes, techically it's a penalty but if you only choose to call it on a game deciding play, then it smells a bit. I am no Notre Dame fan at all but I can understand Kelly being sour about the call.
October 20th, 2014 at 2:04 PM ^
October 20th, 2014 at 4:09 PM ^
you shouldn't be surprised or expect that just because you got away with it before that you'll always get away with it. Just like speeding.
October 20th, 2014 at 4:46 AM ^
The refs not making a call also decides the game. And it was clearly the right call. Only ND fans think it wasn't. That tells you something.
October 20th, 2014 at 8:16 AM ^
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October 21st, 2014 at 2:14 AM ^
October 19th, 2014 at 11:24 PM ^
October 19th, 2014 at 11:45 PM ^
do you really take solace in that?
October 19th, 2014 at 11:27 PM ^
this same penalty just got called in the Denver/SF sunday night game and Chris Collinsworth commented that he saw the same thing during the ND/FSU game. his point was that if you at least try to be a bit subtle, turn your head around once contact is made, or at least don't just start pushing the guy down the field, the refs won't call it.
ND did not execute the pick play correctly and got caught. As they deserved. End of debate.
October 19th, 2014 at 11:30 PM ^
You never see it called because usually when running pick plays, WRs don't make it so damn obvious.
It was so obvious on their scoring drive in the 1st half when the refs didn't call it that Jimbo Fisher pointed out that play specifically so the refs could call it next time!
And lo and behold, Kelly calls the same play, the WRs are too obvious in the pick and don't even act like they want to "catch" the ball... so it got flagged.
Lou Holtz even said the call was warranted and he's the biggest ND homer there is.
October 19th, 2014 at 11:54 PM ^
This is fine. But you said yourself it went uncalled earlier in the game. You know, and I know, that it happens, literally in every game, without being called.
If it's a penalty, then freaking call it whenever it happens. Don't no-call it, over and over again, and then call it the one time it decides the game between two top-five teams. That may be the right call, by the book, but it's still 100% horseshit. It wouldn't have been called in South Bend, I promise.
October 20th, 2014 at 4:48 AM ^
That's just not true. I have seen that play called in both the NFL and college this year. Its a penalty. It was an obvious call.
October 20th, 2014 at 7:31 AM ^
which happens probably on every play but only gets called sometimes? We all get screwed by refs. They are human. Such is life.
October 20th, 2014 at 8:48 AM ^
October 20th, 2014 at 8:23 AM ^
... which very likely contributed to their calling it the second time. Go to the (illegal) well once, you'll get water. Do it against a coach who knows how to work the refs, and at home no less, you risk getting bitten.
October 20th, 2014 at 9:06 AM ^
Are you perfect at your job? If you work at McDonald's, have you ever forgotten to put ketchup on a cheeseburger? If you work at a bank, have you ever forgotten to have someone authorize a check? If you work as a camp counselor, have you ever forgotten the mosquito spray when you went out for a hike?
Since you forgot the ketchup that one time, I guess McDonald's should just forget the ketchup for the rest of the day.
October 20th, 2014 at 7:36 AM ^
If the refs had not called the second one FSU would have had a lot more to complain about than ND, in my opinion.
October 20th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^
I know Brian Kelly said something like 'We dont coach illegal plays" but its clear thats in the play design or the ND WR just does not get the concept of a pick route
October 20th, 2014 at 8:02 AM ^
Do you mean you can actually understand Lou Holtz or you are assuming he said that?
October 20th, 2014 at 7:43 AM ^
I liked one of the analogies I saw: It's like speeding. If you've gone past a cop doing 5 over the limit 99 times and he's never pulled you over, you still don't get to be pissed if he pulls you over the 100th time you do it. You broke the rule/law. Sure, you'd like the official to be more consistent, but not calling it one time doesn't mean you can't ever call it.
October 20th, 2014 at 4:54 PM ^
If Notre Dame would just have gone 5 over, they would have been OK.
But they went 35 over, laid on the horn, stuck their heads out the window, threw the finger, grabbed their crotches, and yelled "I got yer justice, right here!" to the trooper on the side of the road.
Kinda deserved to get caught.
October 20th, 2014 at 9:01 AM ^
I've seen it called numerous times before. I don't think we should get on the officials' case for paying too much attention to the game/rules.
October 20th, 2014 at 1:09 PM ^
Agreed but we should be on their case in the other 95% of the time that it is not called (similar to offensive pass interference, which they have started calling a bit more frequently). That's the problem.
October 20th, 2014 at 2:10 PM ^
October 20th, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^
okay but (1) a pick play almost always affects the play (that's why it's run), and (2) your position ignores many holds that are called away from the play on a run. I agree that a pick play should not be called on the other side of the field but assuming the ball is caught on the pick side, it should be called whenever it impacts the defense in any way. And that just isn't the case currently. On the other hand, there are many holds that are called (or blocks in the back) that never really impact the play. How many times do the announces call out a player's penalty where "there was no need to commit that penalty" but it's called anyway?
October 20th, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^
I thought it was an obvious penalty until watching it in the light of Kelly's explanation and now I think he's right. The db's were locking onto the receivers, not the other way around. The dbs weren't trying to get to Corey Robinson at all. That's why both of the FSU dbs were arguing with eachother after the catch, because neither of them covered Robinson.
October 20th, 2014 at 11:05 AM ^
If you watch Fuller (#7), he clearly has every intention of "blocking" the cornerback and zero intentions of running an actual pass route.
October 20th, 2014 at 11:10 AM ^
I agree it was a clear out play and that Robinson was getting the ball the whole time, but the db still put his hands on Fuller to impede his route. he wasn't trying to get through Fuller to Robinson. Neither of them were.
October 20th, 2014 at 7:46 PM ^
How can anyone complain about this? That was the most blatant pick I've ever seen. It's a penalty that should be called MORE not LESS, like all the offensive linemen blocking 10 yards downfield.
October 20th, 2014 at 8:22 PM ^
In the first half they ran a well disguised pick that normally doesn't get called. Fisher got the ref's ear as he should.
On the play in question, the offensive player never tried to disengage from the defender. He didn't shield any one,i.e., a pick, but as a receiver he has to run a pattern. He simply can't drive block a db like an OL, and an OL gets only 3 yds on a pass play. If they had run the play like they did in the first half, it might have been called, but I doubt it after Fisher complained. However, they could have run the bunch formation with all receivers running legit routes to clear the area and have the RB merely hit the DE or blitzer and then receive the toss from Golson and walk into the vacated area. Yes, Brian you teach illegal plays, but everyone in football does, so don't feel bad. Just imagine a db riding a receiver from the l.o.s. four yards into the end zone. The flag would have been tossed on about the second step, no argument no matter where the ball was thrown. Obvious offensive interference, but extremely difficult to admit he designed play that way or his receivers failed to execute as instructed which would have been totally contrary to his claim. No win situation for him. Should have left it alone. Great game, however.October 19th, 2014 at 11:31 PM ^
I would've said the same thing. Beats hearing welll we didn't execute.
Brian Kelly may be a jerk but Notre Dame has clearly surpassed Michigan with him. They're 5-1, with a narrow loss to FSU on the road. Meanwhile, let's hope Hoke and the gang don't get rocked by 25 this weekend
October 19th, 2014 at 11:34 PM ^
PSU and ND are both ranked considerably higher in defensive FEI than MSU; it stands to reason that the current state of our offense can score at least as many points against MSU that we did against PSU, which was 16.
October 19th, 2014 at 11:49 PM ^
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October 19th, 2014 at 11:53 PM ^
We haven't scored 16 points on MSU since 2010. Gardner's a health risk. We lost our top RB. I'll just say I doubt it.
October 20th, 2014 at 9:15 AM ^
THEM OWNING US =
DOOM.
Unless we pull some 2013 Ohio rainbows out of our asses. We are going to suffer another BEATDOWN by sparty.
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October 19th, 2014 at 11:53 PM ^
October 20th, 2014 at 12:32 AM ^
"This will be unlikely to be a popular opinion,"
or, just wrong.
though I do hope you're right, it would be great to have a close game.
October 20th, 2014 at 8:14 AM ^
"...it would be great to have a close game."
Really? Have we fallen so far that all we can hope for against MSU is to have a close game?
That is the saddest thing I have ever heard.
To hell with all of this shit, man. We're beating Michigan State University on Saturday.
October 20th, 2014 at 9:13 AM ^
Yes really.
And no, no we are not.
#FireHarbaugh
October 20th, 2014 at 10:00 AM ^
No way, man. I found a shit-ton of confidence this morning. We're beating those assholes.
October 21st, 2014 at 11:25 AM ^
on them in two years with this staff. What have you seen from Nuss that makes you think we can get into the EZ twice or are you counting on the D to score?
October 20th, 2014 at 12:01 AM ^
October 20th, 2014 at 12:11 AM ^
Victories in prior years don't mean anything as compared to right now. ND, 5-1. Us, 3-4.
October 20th, 2014 at 8:42 AM ^
So, the only thing that matters in whether a team/coach has "surpassed" the other is the current record? If Alabama has a down year next year and we end up with a better record than them, have we surpassed them?
Not saying I disagree with your point that Kelly is better than Hoke. Just pointing out that this is really stupid logic.
October 20th, 2014 at 10:27 AM ^
wait, what? ND will have completed a three year-run with better records than Michigan at the end of this year... they blew us out this year with a roster even younger than ours... and you're pulling out a hypothetical "down year for Bama" strawman?