is that Michael Jordan was apparently much better at playing basketball than he is at managing it.
OT for a slow summer - NBA Draft: What sayeth ye?
You're really beating that draft pick issue into the ground. It's protected if it's in the lottery next year, and then the top-8 the following year. If the Pistons lose the pick either year, it'll hardly be robbery. I think that's a fine price to pay for getting rid of Ben Gordon's outrageous contract.
Ben Gordon has two years left, including a player option that he is virtually guaranteed to exercise.
Maggette's a free agent a year from now. That's not a bad contract to have at all. Whether they make good use of that money a year from now is another question, but having him on the books for one year is fine.
Benefits to the trade:
-It gets rid of a guy who not only had a big contract but didn't seem to want to be here. When you're rebuilding, the last thing you want to have is a disgruntled vet around to poison the locker room.
-It opens up room in the rotation. Gordon, when healthy, was eating up a lot of minutes while not really producing. If no one's around to replace his 12.5 ppg, that's fine - they'll be worse and increase their odds of a better draft pick in 2013.
-It gives Dumars a lot more roster flexibility right now. Maggette is a tradeable commodity. Dumars could recoup the pick in a midseason trade, or maybe get some other quality player in return.
-That flexibility might allow Dumars to make the kind of move that gets the fans excited again. They weren't fired up about the prospect of two more years of Ben Gordon. It also gives him a chance to make a positive impression on his new boss, if he can play his cards right.
I am no Dumars apologist and I think he should be fired. With that said - you do realize that the 1st round pick is lottery protected and Maggette has an expiring contract (which is his real value)?
The Pistons will be in the lottery again next year
No offense but there's so much wrong with this post. This isn't football, there are 5 players on the court at one time. One high draft pick can completely turn your franchise around. Pistons have to bottom out before they can succeed at an elite level.
I don't care about being the 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs and being bounced in the 1st round. The worse thing is to be in the middle. You have two solid pieces to build around right now in Knight and Monroe. Get rid of the older, expensive contracts and go young (see: OKC)
Sorry, didn't mean to come off so harsh. My hope is that the Pistons get their last piece high in the draft next year. If all goes to plan the pick Joe D gave up will be a late 1st rounder when it finally is utilized.
That's who I'd go with. He's only 18 and a relentless hardworker. He's the most likely to reach his ceiling.
I'm pulling for Hensen for the Pistons. Barely followed it at all this year though.
For the Pistons, I don't want John Henson cause I think he's a douchebag (on account of he could've played for Duke with his acting skills, among other reasons) but I'm resigned to the idea that he brings what the Pistons need.
My dream scenario of course is that the Pistons draft Mike Scott in the second round. A little undersized for the four and a little slow for the three, so he's probably not a starter in the league, but then again, rangy-shooting big men with a GIMME REBOUNDS mentality have a way of carving out a career.
The Pistons are in a tough place. They won't be able to trade up to grab Davis, Beal, or MKG. Drummond won't fall far enough to them at 9.
I am guessing we are gonna pick up a big, tall stiff and he won't pan out. I see some pundits saying we will take John Henson, who I think will be a major bust and will be cast down to the NBDL.
It should be entertaining overall, though. Sounds like there are going to be a lot of trades.
At least the Pistons are taking steps in the right direction. They were able to get rid of Gordons insane contract, they will cut Charlie V, and Henson is a capable 4. The problem is we still don't have a Center.
I'm not a pistons fan, but you mean other than Monroe right? He is young, but is a boderline allstar, and probably the best player on the team.
I think Monroe would benefit more playing the 4 and having a true center. Which is why the Pistons want Drummond so bad. I definitely agree he is the best player on the team and he also has the most upside on the team.
They're still 2-3 years minimum from being any type of legitimate playoff team. They should have some money to spend in 2013 though, so that will help.
The target year is not next year. I know Dumars has said they will competitive next year, bt they are at least one year away. Having Megette's contract come off the books next year (or trading for someone worth wile at the deadline this coming year), I don't see them using the amnesty on Charlie V's contract until a year from now.
Drummond may be an offensive project, but his upside is so great and he can still block shot, get garbage minutes, and play defense while he learns. He completements Monroe so well.
And that is Joe Ds problem right there. The quick fix is not going to work. The worst place to be in the NBA is in the middle- you'll never improve. Especially in a place like Detroit where it's difficult to lure free agents.
The pick should be Drummond (high risk/high reward) but JoeD won't have the balls to do it.
Are possible, not that they will be good but because it is the Eastern Conference...we need to tank a season so that we don't keep getting the 8-10 picks every year, we don't want to become the Milwaukee Bucks...
There's no chance Drummond falls to number 9
But there's a chance Joe D trades up to 6 or 7. Wouldn't take much especially since Drummond isnt as great of a fit for those teams as he is for the Pistons.
Really? Not available huh?
well i stand corrected. damn... great pick.
Monroe isn't a rim protector but he's a decent post defender and today's bigs need to be able to space the floor an defend ball screens in space on D. Is kg a center? Is Chris bosh? Cuz they sure as heck played the spot this year. Kendrick Perkins is a "center" and he was the demise is the thunder(part of it) as Scott brooks held on to his lineups too long
I think you are looking wayyyy to much into one years finals. I love Monroe, but he'd benefit greatly from a big center or defensive big
No doubt, I've loved Dumars even through his questionable moves, but if he picks Henson faith will be shaken. The dude is a bust just waiting to happen.
Should be a fun trade-related day that's for sure. Will Houston get Dwight? Will he stay? Who else is dealing? What absolutely bone-headed move will happen that we can make fun of for the next 10 years?
Is working to get my power back on so I can WATCH the Draft.
But my dream scenario is Drummond drops to te Pistons, my meh scenario is Henson just adding bodies, and my next great Piston draft blunder is your pick of the tall white guys who are called "athletic, for a white guy."
There was actually a fire in State Substation, so they shut the whole trunk down - they were supposed to restore it at 5:30 PM or so at last report. Hopefully, you're back up now.
But was kinda trapped with lights out at both ends. Couldn't even get anything delivered. They were right about the 6-8 time...not too long after 8.
I credit you.
I pray that Drummond falls which could happen if the Blazers take Lilliard, the biggest hurdle after that is Golden State and theyve taken bigs the last 2 years so we will see.
The Warriors are working on a deal to send the number 7 pick to Denver for Wilson Chandler. No guarantees, but it's a possibility.
Shouldn't that be "What sayeth ye?"
Actually, if we're being technical, "ye" is plural, and plural verbs don't take the "-eth" ending in Early Modern English.
"What say ye" is actually correct.
I just don't see it with Henson. Drummond is 7'0 and 280lbs. Long enough for me
Only he fouls a lot less. I would take that at number 9
Drummond strikes me as a pro player, and not a college player. He didn't look like himself at UCONN. It seemed like he was trying to fit into a system or play a particular role, rather than just being himself.
You don't go from this (High School Mixtape):
To whatever it was we saw at UCONN without something else going on.
As an avid Thunder fan, I'm curious to see if they make any big moves today or not. There have been rumblings about a potential swap for the #3 pick to get Beal, probably sending Harden away... Apparently Sam Presti (Thunder GM) is in love with the kid.
Personally... this idea kinda terrifies me. The Thunder has a chance to win it all next year, and I'm pretty sure Harden>Beal....
I didn't watch Beal very much at all, so I have no opinion of the guy in general, but I know there's a chance they can't afford Harden after this year.
I honestly don't think they'll pull the trigger on Beal, but if they do... that will definitely make the Thunder's chances of getting back to The Finals a lot more difficult.
Robinson would be a much better fit than Beal for the Thunder. The need someone to rebound and score on the block
Harden has some skill set holes but he is a terrific player and his floor spacing/ shot creation combo is so valuable. Beal has maybe a 20% chance to be as good as harden. In a vacuum, presto would be idiotic to do that trade. But we don't know if the owners will pay the luxury tax. This would be a pre-emotive financial move as much as anything. And fwiw if I could only have one I would trade I aka and keep harden
As far as personal fanfare goes, Ibaka is the love of my life. I would never trade him. EVER. My heart flutters every time he blocks a shot and waves his finger back and forth.
(Assuming "I aka" is referring to Ibaka)
Otherwise yes, I understand the Harden move. He has said, however, that he would take less money to stay with the team. I just don't see a reason to break up something (and someone) that has already brought you to The Finals and still has another potentially ten years of progression to look forward to. I have a hard time thinking that Harden won't improve since he's only been in the league three years.
when I taught high school and if you think he's a good ball player, he's an even better person. The kid deserves this.
Not familiar with that acronym
Wait, is that Roll Damn Tide? I know the guy makes posts about Alabama, but that's about all I know about him. So I still don't get the reference.
RDT is a fake
No I'm not lying or exaggerating. I had Anthony as a freshman at Perspectives Charter Schools South Loop Campus (now called the Joslin Campus). He is a good kid, quiet for the most part. That was 5 years ago and I was taller than him back then (and I must say, I guarded him pretty well in the students vs. teachers game, but he wasn't the star we know him as now, but he was a freshmen starter). Now he's like 9 inches taller than me. And all my former colleagues, who still teach there, tell me he's still as good of a kid. And that's he's always coming in to school (even after graduating) to hang out with some of the teachers and last year's seniors.
You'd have a better shot of flipping my political party affiliation or converting my religion to orthodox whatever than convincing me that Greg Monroe is a PF.
The Pistons' needs are starting PF>backup C>future starting SF>backup SG. MKG, Barnes, Drummond, Robinson, Davis, Henson are all players I would love to have.
Like others have said, I'm not too concerned about Henson and his weight. If Marcus Camby would put up the numbers he did last season as a 39 year old listed at 220, then I can't absolutely count anybody out due to lack of bulk or strength.
Camby was also at a smaller college and didn't play alongside three other first rounders when he put up those numbers.
And yes, of course. But in today's NBA it is easier to find a power forward to complement Greg Monroe than a center. There hasn't been anybody selected in the top 10 for three consecutive drafts, including this one, that would clearly justify moving Monroe to the high post and/or take on the assignment of defending face up bigs.
I don't have enough points to post but Jourdan Lewis Is now an all american. He just received invite to army bowl.
do I post information that hasn't been reported yet? I realize this was a baskeball post but I chose this post because it was the most current or last posted.
You should just comment on a bunch of things until you get 100 pts and then you can post it. go go go
Although we won't be seeing Zack Novak and Stu Douglass drafted, there will be some Big Ten players getting drafted tonight.
Meyers Leonard, Illinois: Late Lottery.
Jared Sullinger, Ohio State: Late first round.
Draymond Green, Michigan State: Late first round.
William Buford, Ohio State: Mid-Late second round.
Stretches: Robbie Hummel (Purdue), John Shurna (Northwestern).
Overall, not a great draft for the BIg Ten.
-Meyers Leonard stunk. perhaps he has NBA value but he stunk. I don't see it. He's a slightly better Paul Davis only not as ugly. Well it's close.
-Green is the PF Equivalent of Mateen Cleaves. Great work ethic and enthusiasm and good enough to dominate the B1G, but too small at their position and unskilled to make it in the NBA. He will be considered a bust.
-Buford is a going to thrive in the NBA. I would take him in the lottery
-Sullinger will be around for a cup of coffee until injuries end his career early.
-Hummel and Shurna will get paid in Euros.
Buford is slated for the second round and you would be effing nuts to draft him in the lottery.
Charlotte thinking of trading #2 pick
"Charlotte is "getting closer" to dealing the No. 2 pick, according to high-level source. Adds intrigue leading up to the draft at 7:30 p.m."
to the Pistons. If his background checks out as well as Dumars thinking that his medical condition isn't a big problem, he has star potential IMO. Long, athletic and can ball. He's the kind of player who would really help the team long-term.
I see we have an anonymous NBA hater downvoting everybody. Honestly man, get another hobby.
He's right on cue.
Seriously, that guy can't drink a vial of arsenic, set himself on fire, and jump off a cliff soon enough.
The best part about the NBA downvoter is that he's too much of a coward to downvote the actual post so everyone will know who he is.
I couldn't care less about the downvotes, but it caves in half of the comments on the page. The points system is absolutely useless, and if you're doing it just to troll people, get that shit out of here and back to mlive. It's childish.
Well, Houston is making a major play on that front. They're going for the number 5 pick right now. By the end of the night they could have half of the draft picks.
Bill Simmons this week...
Probably not worth its own thread. Lakers reportedly make qualifying offer to Darrius Morris at $940,000, making him a restricted free agent. He's claimed he wants to look for someplace with more playing time, but that offer gives him some security.
"SEC" chants after Kidd-Gilchrist goes.
Well, this draft is not exactly going the way most people had predicted. Can't remember seeing Waiters or Kidd-Gilcrist going that high. (I do like the Kidd-Gilcrist pick a lot. He plays hard, defends, and gets to the rim, three of the many things that the Bobcats need).
And seems to be actually getting out of his way.
Leave it to the Cavs to make the first reach of the draft......DammitalltoHell.
Now waiting to see if Golden State ruins my night.
They're taking Barnes. Pistons may have the Drummond/Henson choice no one thought they would have.
The Raptors are taking. :-)
Dear Lebron James:
I'm sorry. I hereby takeback all the anger, all the hate and all the vitriol I've aimed at you over the past two years. After watching the Cavs so called "brain trust" fuck-up two straight fourth picks in the draft I know realize they truly are too stupid to have a player of your quality on the team. The only thing they've managed to not screw up was the Kylie Irving pick and my 7 year old could've gotten that one right.
Anyways will you accept my apology? Let's get together next time you're in town for a couple of cold Great Lakes Brewing drafts and maybe a burger and onion rings from Swensons and let bygones be bygones.
Wow, I was gonna say. Either Barnes or Drummond falling to the Pistons at 9 would be huge, but both?
I hate you.
I was seriously debating whether or not to post that, but Joe D could still ruin it.
It's beyond me now...
He has great tempo free stats and is ultra efficient despite the fact that everybody knows he has to score. He'll be a great addition to the Trailblazers squad
Best comment on the SI draft chat:
"Seattle's going to have a good team when Sacramento moves."
Because there's no "Funny, but Ouch" category.
Please, please, please Drummond!
To me he's a boom/bust pick and with the right team, coaches, he can shine. Just don't think the Pistons can do it for Drummond. He has immense potential but has not shown why he is a great prospect at UConn on a consistent basis.
DRUMMOND! DRUMMMOND! DRUMMOND!
Wow...great options left for the Pistons. Please don't blow it Joe D.
Not a big reach. Waiter to Cavs is a reach imo
I swear that was him leading Terrance Ross to the stage.
Drummond please!! Don't screw this up Joe D
And the Pistons have had an option they shouldn't have had fall in their laps.
This has kind of been their MO the past couple drafts.
I wouldnt be against P. Jones 3.
Edit: Drummond is already crying so the pick is in.
This is taking too goddamn long. Someone wake Joe D up from his coma! What is there to debate, man!
Hey! Drummond! Now can we all just pretend he came straight out of high school?
The names associated with Drummond in the Chad Ford/Bill Simmons draft column were... Darko/Kwama/Thabeet and ... Dwight Howard. Ford said, "If he gets with the right team and mentor and dedicates himself to becoming a good NBA player — he could do exactly what Dwight does and start dunking over everyone. Dwight is the only player in the NBA with his physical abilities."
Can the Pistons just go out and sign Hakeem with the mid level exception just to teach him some post moves and how to play hard?
But guys like Henson make them mildly better, and they tread water a bit. Guys like Drummond could be a waste and get Joe fired, but he cold also help them make a bigger leap (in time) even without quite being Howard.
And because I not really remember Lanier playing, it's the first real center I'll see the Pistons have. (No, William Bedford doesn't count).
Buddha doesn't count?
But his favorite shot was a fade away, and usually Mahorn was defending the centers.
Loved that fadeaway. I think it was written into his contract that he got the first shot of every game.
Laimbeer usually guarded the centers. Mahorn/Edwards were both PFs. Buddha was tall enough to play the 5 but a little soft on D. But that fadeaway was awesome. I had a "Buddha Train" t-shirt back then. (Why did they stop making all those shirts with goofy caricatures?)
He was taller, but against physical low post presence it was often Mahorn. He was way stronger, and Bill was more effective away from the basket. Now, if the PF was more of a threat and the Center stationary, they'd play their proper roles (read: Celtics). And BL certainly did more after Mahorn was taken in expansion.
Fun fact: Apple thinks Laimbeer should be "Laid beer"
And I actually have one of those shirts where they printed Salley and Rodman as white. #racist (Have a bunch of different ones)
Admittedly I never watched Drummond so I couldn't tell you anything about him. After hearing J. Bilas break him down while watching those highlights, I'm on board.
Is very raw and has no motor. Not sure if pistons is the right environment for Drummond
Got rid of Rip. think the other young guys are hard workers. Will worry if Daye is his best bud. (Or he's even on the roster).
Daye is the worst. I have never seen shittier body language in a player.
Well, realistically you're not likely to go to a great environment when you're a lotto pick . He'll have Greg Monroe to learn from, who seems like a good teammate.
Here's an evaluation from the coach who's been breaking down tape for grantland. At 9, this was a great pick.
Unreal. The most talented player in the draft after Anthony Davis. I realize he could bust but his ceiling is ridiculously high. Watch his film. Physically, he looks like Dwight Howard
I love it. He and Monroe could be a monster frontline.
U-M connection - his agent is Rob Pelinka.
Good breakdown. The main thing for Drummond will be if he dedicates himself to the game.
I hope this pans out...I feel like the spectrum on him is as wide as anyone in the league. I don't think he'll be Dwight Howard because he has NO offensive game and shoots 29% at the line. However he can be a solid NBA starter...DeAndre Jordan was a solid comparison.
At the same time he could be a lifetime Brendan Haywood which isn't terrible, but not #9 worthy (not sure if there was better that you can identify right now).
Or I could see him in the D-League in 5-6 years.
...this is the pick that will make/break Dumars' career. He could redeem himself or he could be gone.
With that said, I'm not sure there was any other choice unless you went with Henson and rolled with Monroe playing center for the rest of his immediate career.
Now, if it had been Chris Boshosaurus...
At #11?? lulz I honestly did not know he was a that highly regarded and I like to think I know a bit about the game of basketball (though my knowledge of things NBA-wise has declined over the years; I don't watch much of the stuff). Can anyone answer for me if Portland has taken a big man since Greg Oden?
Pistons fans...Chris Broussard just said the 76ers are looking to trade Iguodala.
I'd be willing to trade for him in a heartbeat, what are your thoughts?
Haven't they been trying to trade him for years?
The 76ers have been trying to get an offensive threat for the past couple of seasons.
They were close to pulling the trigger on an Iguodala for Monta Ellis trade last year, but decided that it would make their line-up too small.
What are you giving up for him?
Edit: for comparison, Stuckey scored almost 15...
I'm not much of an NBA guy, but I'm looking at the draft picks every so often on the mothership website. Houston is getting some quality collegiate players. I'm not sure how they'll all pan out professionally, but d**m. T. Jones, J. Lamb, and the big one Royce White. White has the potential to be a good to very good pro. (Do all of these picks mean Dwight Howard is not going to Houston??)
I love Royce White but he is the definition of an NBA system player. Not many offenses allow for a point forward and that is how White will excel, similar to Odom and Diaw.
Mgrowold's going to have a heart attack when he hears the Cavs just traded the 24, 32 and 33 draft picks for Tyler Zeller.
Came back, read this, thought you were kidding, thought it was funny, +1.
See trade finalized, realized you were serious, OMG Cleveland....annnnddd still funny.
What the hell is Cleveland doing?
Making Lebron look really smart.
New Piston owner Tom Gores is apparently at the draft:
I wish him success, obviously, but man, he just looks creepy. Maybe if he'd at least wear a belt...
Stern is on fire tonight.
He trolls the trolls amazingly. Like him or not, he doesn't give a single fuck.
Festus "vus for the rest of us" Ezeli, as Chris Berman will undoubtedly call him, was just drafted.