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I don't think they changed Les at all actually
national champs baby
Patrick Hruby is doing God's work.
first comment: "EVERY ATHLETE HAS ASPIRATIONS OF WINNING AND WE HAVE OUR FAVORITES BUT IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO OTHER STUDENTS ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, TOO!"
stupid Pistons and their refusal to tank properly
rundown of Michigan's riser
needs moar usage
so much for that
This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.
will be michigan's highest pick in a while
money has to go somewhere
I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.
the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?
Without a doubt. I know he has an iffy past, but he is the true leader of that team and he works so hard and gets his team motivated because all he wants to do is win. I know some people won't agree with me, but when he becomes a coach somewhere, I would want my kid to play for him in a heartbeat.
"I think Hoke has changed the tide on the rivalry. Hell people in Ohio are starting to believe him. Never in a million years I would have thought that. Selling Michigan jerseys is a good start."
So these abilities absolve his potential involvement in a murder?
None of us know what he did, so I'm not going to act like I do. The criminal justice system did what they thought was right with him, and he paid his price. What I do know is that he has been an active and positive influence in his community ever since. I believe that people can rehabilitate themselves, and that he's a positive example of that. I think his legacy is one of reform, not that famous people might get away with murder.
Exactly this. He was involved in one incident 13 years ago and was cleared of charges. Since then there has not been one negative incident involving Ray Lewis. He is a big part of the Baltimore community and does a hell of a lot for them. People can change and he seems like he's definitely done that and more. I bet all of his teammates would back him up if anyone said something negative about him.
I'd be worried my kid would up and disappear similar to that white suit....
is as far from a Boy Scout league as possible.
Give him credit for his stats and leadership of a dominating D for 15+ years.
"Everybody wants to be a hero, so to speak. But it takes everybody." - Charles Woodson
Without a doubt he is in on the first ballot. He dominated from day one, and he will retire when he is still playing at a really high level. Ray is one of the greatest ever to play LB or defense for that matter, and it will be interesting to see what happens to Baltmore if Ed Reed joins him in retirement post super bowl. Ed is another all time great, but it is remarkable how Ozzie Newsome has built up the offense so well.
Oh how I hate Ohio State!
Why is this even a question. It is not the MLB hall of fame he is trying to get into. Where that is the elite of the elite.
THIS IS MICHIGAN
It amazes me how his great personality and leadership skills have made it almost taboo for anyone to even talk about his past. There are a lot of missing pieces in that case, and Ray Lewis is a big chunk of the missing story. You cannot deny that, no matter how you feel about him.
Anyways he'll get in. He's one of the greatest players of all time and he deserves it. I don't have a problem with that. But I do have a problem with how the media has put him on a pedestal as some great humanitarian and role model. That, he is not.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
No question, first ballot HOF. Guy has played linebacker at a high level for 17 years. You can't keep him out for pleading to obstruction of justice. Ask someone in Baltimore about all the philanthropy the guy does.
Ask the family members of the victims if they care about his philanthropy. It's great he does good deeds but does that erase everything from his past not to be mentioned?
Just do it!
ray lewis jokes never get old. just like the two people he killed.
Obviously good-doing doesn't erase or undo the past, but Ray Lewis--by all appearances--has reformed himself and become a great team player, community member, and maybe even a role model.
The HOF is not (nor should it be) a referendum on a man's past. If Ray Lewis had committed murder on the football field, done steroids, or some other "evil" that gave him an advantage or compromised the integrity of the game, I'd say his admission to the HOF might be questionable. But off-the-field issues from more than a decade-and-a-half ago shouldn't keep someone out of the Hall, even if he did some really bad stuff.
But no matter what we think, he will be inducted, and almost certainly as a first ballot member. He's one of the best LBs of all-time.
Thank you, Coach Hoke, for bringing Michigan back.
So your argument is as long as a athlete is great at what he does and there is no douubt that Lewis is great. That the athlete can do whatever they want and as long as they do enough good deads later it wont matter.
It just frustrates me at times. Watching through my schooling and work normal non famous people dealing with the consiquences of there mistakes for the rest of there lives no matter how reformed they are and some people because they can tackle or throw a ball or act whatever just seem to get a pass.
I know I know lifes not fair nor will it ever be
No, that's not my argument. My argument is that a player's misdeeds that are unrelated to his football career should not keep him out of the HOF. If Michael Vick had come back to the NFL, played at or near MVP level for 10 years and won three superbowls, he would deserve consideration for the Hall.
FACT: Ray Lewis is a HOF football player, and his football career is deserving of HOF recognition.
FACT: Ray Lewis has done some terrible things in his life.
I'm not saying Ray Lewis should get a free pass. I'm not saying the guy is innocent or that he deserves your respect or admiration. I'm not saying I would trust him, or that I want him as my friend. I'm saying he's a Hall of Fame football player, and that's what the Hall of Fame is all about. It's not an award for off-the-field character, nor should it be. And if you look at some of the other guys that have gotten into the HOF, they are not exactly model citizens.
According to the State of Georgia, the only involvement Ray Lewis had in the incident you refer to was obstructing justice.
I couldn't agree more. He's arguably the best linebacker to ever play and he does amazing things for his community. No brainer 1st ballot.
I would never cast a vote for Ray Lewis. I'm surprised how many people here would.
He plead Guilty to a lesser charge , but in the same right why did he pay off two families if he was not guilty of the two men being stabbed to death ... his two friends were both aquitted.
Besides all that I believe Ray Lewis is a First Ballott Hall of Famer .
"Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS" GO BLUE!!!!
Im sorry but this is one of the stupidest questions I've ever seen asked on here--Ray Lewis will be (and should be) a nearly unanimous 1st ballot Hall of Famer. He is in the conversation for best linebacker ever.
Maybe it is being debated because some people think there should be more to whether someone gets into the ahll of fame than just their stats. I'm not saying I agree or disagree because honestly, I couldn't care less who gets into hall of fames, but I can certainly see why some people would expect the criteria to be more than just a great player for getting in. There are lots of great players who never get into hall of fames for one reason or another and I would say being linked to the murder of two people would be as good a place to draw a line as any.
Again, I could not care less about the pro football hall of fame or who gets in it, but I can certainly see why some people would be a little apprehensive about throwing Ray Lewis in simply based on his play. I can see why some people would want hall of famers to be a little more than just that.
Best MLB of all time.
Totally definitely absolutely killed two people with a knife (alledgedly).
Definitely a Hall of Famer.
OJ is in that bitch.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
“ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.” — Alan Kay
He gets in because of his on-the-field performance, no questions asked. If we spent any time looking into the HOF for major sports, we'd all realize that a large number of these guys have skeletons in their closets or marks on their record that, taken in a vaccuum, would seemingly preclude them from being invited over for dinner. But the HOF isn't for nice guys; it is for great players. And Lewis is one of them. That said, if everyone could cut back a bit on "Ray Lewis is a great guy because he amps people up and talks about God all the time", that would be super. He's a great MLB, but he's also a pretty big hypocrite.
If they have one murderer in there in OJ, why not another? The more the merrier!
When the ADept sells special jerseys and gear, you'll see my picture next to the targeted customer crowd. A sheep.....but a Blue one.....
The Football Hall of Fame is based on performance on the field. And from that perspective he is one of the all time greats and a first ballot guarateed.. The Morality Hall of Fame deals with off field and and as a whole how this person is morally. He might not make the cut here.
He's very obviously a first ballot hall of famer and arguably the greatest middle linebacker of all time.
Live from the Hammock District.
Some would argue the greatest defensive player of all time, period. I would be in that camp and I loathe him and the Ravens. Of course he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I think anyone who thinks otherwise is nuts.
Formerly akron_wolverine and columbus_wolverine. New home, new name. A year in Columbus was enough.
No need for me to say more
What past? Black high-profile athlete? Our culture has shaped black males as hyper-sexualized and uber-violent. That is everyone's problem with Ray Lewis. They think he is a murderer with 6 kids from 4 different women. The man is loved and respected by his teammates, coaches, ownership, and rival players. He plays his ass off as the best player at his position in his generation and probably the generation before that as well. The two men charged with the murder were acquitted. Ray Lewis pled down to obstruction in a risk-aversion maneuver. He does have multiple children with multiple women, but it is not as if he is neglecting those kids. Some people say that many children is irresponsible. He has a job that more than allows him to provide for his children. I don't see people bagging on the Duggars for building an "Army of Soldiers for God". Probably would if they were black though. Get over your racist views of Ray Lewis. See him as a man and not the demon he can be portrayed as. Might serve you well.
The race card. Sweet.
What a joke.
My points hold credence. I simply think many of the views about Ray Lewis are racist. Pick me up some Bolivian coffee!
You seem like one of "those guys" that try to find racism in everything.
Whether be ridiculous things like in cartoons or commercials or sports blogs.
To be "that guy" and goad me into an argument. Racism is alive and well in our society and I was only stating my opinion that most of the hatred towards Ray Lewis stems from deep seeded, often sub-conscious racism. I do not find racism in everything, I just call 'em like I see 'em, and I fully believe that a majority of Ray Lewis hate stems from racism.
As far as I have scene you are the only person to bring up race or his kids. I have no problem whith his race. What I have a problem with is the idolizing of a man who was at the very least involved with covering up a murder.
*This was a reply to Hank Hill not sure why it didn'y post under his.*
you typed "scene."
...confidence is the stain they can't wipe off...
The guy that was killed was not a real person. Ray Lewis obviously concocted the whole story to further his chances of being inducted into the hall of fame.
But I don't see why this is even a matter of discussion. I have no idea what happened that night. Whether it was him who stabbed them, or his friends, or anyone else or if they stabbed them out of self defense. There are too many questions and nothing close to enough evidence for me to jump to any conclusions of who did what. I agree with the people saying we are too quick to throw out the (possible) bad but by the same token many of those same people are quick to dismiss the good that he's done for numerous people and at least that we are certain on what he's done. I don't know how you begin to try and weigh those scales and determine if someone is good enough of a person to qualify for the Hall of Fame. As far as I'm aware it is based upon your on the field performance, and that metric alone. When people compare MLBs he is the bar that they are measured against. That is Hall of Fame in my mind.
If he makes it, London Fletcher should be in as well, very similar numbers.
Hail To the Victors...In Ohio
based on name recognition, but there's some truth to that if you just look at the numbers. I can never figure out the Hall of Fame balloting. Seems like a lot of deserving players are denied for years (ie. Art Monk among others).
Numbers aren't the only consideration. I'm not saying London Fletcher doesn't deserve HOF consideration, but he has not impacted the game the same way Ray Lewis has.
I don't really care if he makes it into the hall of fame. I just know that his induction speech will be how he always is when he is in front of a camera.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
Sure. Right next to OJ.
If I tell you it's Easter, you better start looking for eggs.
Some folks call it a sling blade, I call it a kaiser blade.
They think he is a bad football player?
is labelling him as a murderer. Murderers, even rich ones, aren't able to strike plea deals and then testify against two people and expect those two to not turn against him. Georgia is a death penalty state. I don't care how close I am with someone, I'm not getting fried if I know someone else did the crime.
If he did it, those friends would've started singing like Mike Vicks' friends.
The Pro Football Hall of Fame's induction criteria specificially states that off-field activities not be considered when voting on inductees.
So yes, he should.
As to whether the criteria should be what it is.....I am a baseball fan above all other pro sports. I loathe what the baseball hall has become, and how it is up to voters to suppose whether or not players used PED's etc.
"There is no such thing as 'TMI'. The more I know, the better I can react to the situation around me." -me