I am surprised there are Lions fans still? All the kids I knew who were lions fans already gave up. Congrats to you all for sticking with them!
OT: Should Lions trade Johnson for 1st pick/Suh?
They went 0-16 the WRONG season! They can't even get this right!
I'd be in favor of trading Johnson--but if the right team ends up there, maybe you they don't have to give up their first-round pick. Johnson is a bona fide #1--give the team you trade him to your second-round and maybe a fourth or fifth. That's still a pretty high value offer for an umproven guy, no matter how good he was in college.
If this was a trade to make, I'd wait to see who drafts Suh. No need to do it before the draft--or certainly they could do while they are on the clock.
the wrong season too - ended up with the third pick (Joey) behind the expansion Texans and 1-15 Panthers.
Any other season they would have had Julius Peppers in the draft - but instead we got the piano man.
Suh looks like the real deal but we need to fill like 20 spots not 1. Trade down for more picks if anyone is willing to go for it, otherwise save $10 mil guaranteed and take one of the remaining defensive studs. Paying $30-$40 mil guaranteed for a guy who has never played a down in the NFL is ludicrous and is part of the reason the Lions are so bad. They always have their cap space chewed up by 1st round busts. If picked by another team, Suh will be the best DT ever. If chosen by the Lions, he will join Rogers selling dope within 5 years.
The lions have too many needs to go after one stud...they need to trade down if they can...if they can't...and can't get Suh...Take Eric Berry, take Russell Okung, take Gerald McCoy...I would not complain about the lions taking another great safety, a stud left tackle or the second best dt in the draft.
If we can get Suh AND BG....
That might be awesome.
Why hasn't anybody signed Marvin Harrison?
They only have one offensive weapon... and the offense is the team's strength, frankly. At least when Stafford is healthy.
Trading that weapon doesn't make sense. And obviously Suh seems like he's as can't miss as you can get, but nobody is 100% to be good. Wait for the draft order and hope other teams screw up.
Though in an ideal world they get Suh and Graham falls to them in the second round.
Are you kidding me? Take our franchise QB 's (and #1 overall pick last year) ONLY target away a year after he starts getting acquainted with Calvin? Absolutely not.
Calvin Johnson is a top 5 WR skill-wise in the league, and he'll only get better with time w/ Stafford. Physically, he's a freak of nature. While Suh is better and probably has a little better upside overall, Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy is also an absolute stud, and that is not a big drop-off.
Especially nowhere NEAR as big of a drop-off as to warrant giving up Megatron to get Suh.
Are YOU kidding ME?
Trade Calvin. You can move Drew Stanton to wideout. That's really all you need.
And I can't believe the disrespect for Dennis Northcutt.
do we forget the other first round pick TE Pettigrew...you can definitely win without great WRs
The only position on offense that the Lions should address is left tackle (so they can move Backus to guard). Every other pick they have should go towards that awful, awful defense.
If you're picking #4, look at someone like Taylor Mays or Eric Berry. The Lions don't have a single legitimate player in their defensive secondary. I know you don't normally draft a safety that high, but the Lions have extraordinary needs back there.
And his is, but guess what, SO IS CALVIN JOHNSON!!!! Screw this idea, I'd rather have Berry or Dunlap than lose Calvin for three draft spots, that's just dumb.
brought up a possible CJ trade the other day.
TBL subsequently shat all over Sharp's article and rightfully so.
Rams, Browns, and Bucs are the only teams likely to be picking before the Lions - Rams took D-linemen high in the last few drafts (Carricker and Long) so I don't see them taking Suh, the Browns run a 3-4 with Big Baby in the middle so I don't see them taking Suh, the Bucs maybe take Suh(with a rookie QB I think they will try to build around him on offense), So I think the Lions are likely to have a shot at Suh when they pick.
I hope the lions get Eric Berry - he and Delmas would make a nice safety tandem.
If I remember correctly CJ was a one in a decade player too and he actually looks like one in NFL. So what if he will require a lot of money, it will all be worth it. The problem is paying a bad player a lot of money not a deserving one. Do I want Suh? Absolutely, is he going to be good? I guess he will, but he will still be just one piece of the Lions puzzle. At this stage Lions cannot afford to pay such a steep price just to go up 3 spot in the draft. They need as many good players as they can get and having CJ and the #4 draft pick is way more valuable for them. Now remember a few years back NY Giants traded for E. Manning, another can't miss college player. What do you thing about that trade now? Who would you rather have? P. Rivers or E. Manning. Not to mention the draft picks San Diego got in the trade. You know what your problem is? You are like NHL where there's only one player worth talking about and that's S. Crosby. Guess what! We got our Crosby (CJ) and now we can settle for a Zetterberg (#4 pick). I can guaranty you that this draft will produce more than one stud player and the Lions will be in a very good position of drafting one with the #4 draft pick.
let's not forget next year is an uncapped year and we have no idea how it is going to go after that. But assuming they have a similar system in place, why not trade the #4 pick and your 2nd round pick or maybe next year's #1 to move up to the top pick? Paying the #1 pick is going to cost a lot of money but paying the #4 pick isn't going to be cheap, either.
If you believe Suh is going to be a once in a generation type guy, money shouldn't be the issue keeping you away from him. And this is all assuming St. Louis (or whoever ends up with the top pick) even wants to deal.
Also, there is still a lot of football left to be played, I doubt very seriously that the Lions will be drafting lower than 2. Cleveland plays K.C. this week (a winnable game), that would move the Lions up. If St. Louis wins one more game (I highly doubt the Lions will) the Lions would move ahead of them due to the Rams beating the Lions earlier this year...you all should remember that barn burner.
Talking about trading their best player is good for sports radio but it isn't a very smart move to actually make.
Can someone explain to me what there is to like about said radio show host? I have never found listening to a guy who yells over callers and will never admit he is wrong, very appealing.
I'm hoping we pick Jimmah at 4.
Culpepper is getting old and we'll need a new backup QB soon.
AWFUL. If you are trading Calvin, you damn well better not have to give up the 4th overall pick. Not to mention...it helps the defense, but then you make your offense completely useless. Kevin Smith is going to take a while to recover, and what receivers do you have worthwhile other than Calvin? You want Stafford throwing to Bryant Johnson and Dennis "I Can't Catch" Northcutt?? It would handicap our offense while improving our defense no where near enough. Our defense as a whole (other than our starting linebackers when healthy) is atrocious. Philip Buchanon would serve as a good second corner for us, but he is not a number one by any means. Delmas is obviously very good, but two guys in the secondary doesn't do you jack squat. While Suh is a great talent. The Lions have too many needs to willingly dump the roster's best player. It would handicap our offense, while defense may win championships, if you trade your best offensive weapon, the other team will only need 7 points to beat us. Calvin cannot be traded, you give him whatever he wants to stay.
This draft is absolutely loaded with defensive line talent. You're going to be able to pick-up a top-flight DT/DE at the top of the second round. Okung might not be Orlando Pace and it might not be conventional wisdom to take a DB in the top 4 but you might have to look at Okung or Berry with the first pick and take the best DL available in the 2nd.
DL: Suh (Neb) McCoy (OU) Dunlap (Fla) Cody (Ala) Hardy (Miss) Morgan (GT) Graham (obv) Jones (Syr) Austin (UNC) Pierre-Paul (SoFla) Cunningham (Fla) Griffen (USC) Williams (Tenn) Odrick (PSU) Selvie (SoFla)
DB: Berry (Tenn) Mays (USC) Haden (Fla) Arenas (Ala) Lindley (U-K) Dowling (UVa) Ghee (Wake) Cox (OkSt) Thompson (Cal) Lewis (Vandy) Jackson (Ala) Thurmond (Ore)
LB: McClain (Ala); Spikes (Fla) Beal (OU) Kindle (U-T) Jones (MSU) Lewis (OU) Witherspoon (Mizz) Lang (Troy) Johnson (U-K) Morgan (USC) Lee (PSU) Bowman (PSU)
they better take Barry. If they choose some WR or Running back I'm going to burn all my Lions shit on Mayhews's parking spot in Allen Park.
Suh is labeled as a can't miss guy, but until he actually proves it in the NFL, nobody "can't miss". Take for instance, Reggie Bush, who was pretty much anointed a HOF'er before even setting foot in the NFL. Now let's say a team were to trade an established WR, a 2 or 3 year former high draft pick that has actually fulfilled some of his massive potential, say, oh I don't know, Larry Fitzgerald?
Keep in mind, in 2006, Larry Fitzgerald was very good, and had fulfilled some of that potential, but had yet to break out, so he would probably have brought back even less than Calvin would now. How would trading Fitz and their first rounder in 2006 for Bush and a first rounder have worked out? Would they have made it to the superbowl last year? Probably not.
Now, I realize that this scenario will not always happen, but it's not usually a good idea to trade established stars for guys that might be stars, and throw in our first rounder to boot.
You will not trade Calvin Johnson
Sorry bro but drafting Stafford and then getting rid of Calvin makes ZERO sense. If that guy was on any premier team in the league he would be the best receiver in the NFL hands down. The only gripe I have with CJ is that he can't stay healthy. Trading him for the 1st pick straight up is ridiculous let alone for our 4th pick too. I think we will get somebody great with our top pick and in the end it will be best to keep Calvin. WRs like that only come around a couple times every decade or so. That guy is Moss with a T.O. body and great hands. If he was in Arizona, Indy, NE, NO, SD etc. it would be highlight reel heaven for ESPN. You don't trade a future HOF for a "possible" HOF.
Johnson is a potential Hall Of Famer. It would only hurt the lions.