landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
OT: Shaka Smart to Marquette EDIT: Not so fast, my friend!
So he turned down the UCLA job a few years back for what then?
The Marquette job. Lol it's right there in the title.
Oh there it is, thank you.
...every single UCLA fan watching the tourney.
Is a no-win job disguised as prestigious job. There is no winning enough for that job. They still expect Wooden success without paying for facilities, etc. They just expect it because they're UCLA. Three consecutive final fours: not enough. 25 wins and winning the PAC-10: fired.
Harrick, Laven, Howland, none were successful enough. Nothing less than national championships is enough for UCLA. It's not a job I would want. And while Alford is doing quite well this year, give him a couple "bad" years and he'll be out the door too.
I'll take issue with that statement, the fan base loved Howland until his bad recruiting and poor roster management made for an untenable situation, he also could not recruit Southern California as he had burned all of his bridges with the local high school and AAU programs, at a certain point it just wasn't going to work anymore. The ESPN narrative of impossible to please fans is bullshit. They won 25 games and the PAC-12 last year, sure. But the league was down and Minnesota took care of them in the tourney. There just wasn't a future there anymore for him. As for Lavin, the less said the better.
UCLA lost to Minnesota only after one of their best players, Jordan Adams, was injured in the title game of the Pac 12 tournament (a game they won thanks to 11 late points from Adams). Kyle Anderson was a Howland recruit. Both of those guys were 1st team all-conference this year as sophomores. Most fanbases would love that sort of "untenable situation". LaVine committted to Howland early and came close to going to UW after he got fired. The Wear twins were brought on board from UNC by Howland. The guy went to 3 Final Fours in 10 seasons and left behind a very good team. And that is without Shabazz Muhammad who left early for the draft after last season.
The fanbase threw a hissy fit because they weren't winning at a higher level than even the most elite programs in the country. Just like the poster above pointed out.
Steve Lavin went to the Elite Eight in his first season and the Sweet Sixteen in four of the next five seasons. He had one shitty year and got fired, yet you're acting like he pissed on somebody's rug. UCLA fans are batshit crazy.
Howland recruited good players, but he also brought in guys like Jerime Anderson, Drew Gordan, J'mison Morgan and Reeves Nelson who destroyed the program.
There were fights in practice, hazing, drug use and whatever else they wanted to do because Howland didn't stop them.
had solid success in the tourney but living in Cali during the 90's and early 2000's, most people felt he underacheived with the talent he had during the regular season. They won the Pac-10 in his first year. After that he lost at least 6 games in conference play every year except one.
Did you actually watch them play last year? They were an unwatchable mess that were bailed out time and again by Muhammed and Anderson's talent and the development of Travis Wear. Hell Mark Titus specifically took time in one of his columns to point out how bad the coaching looked to be during the UCLA-Arizona game last year.
Howland had a great stretch and he built a strong program that was doing good things, but the cracks were starting to show even during the final four runs. Basically in his last final four run he took a team with Darren Collison, Russel Westbrook, Richard Mbah a Moute, Kevin Love, and Josh Shipley and managed to lose to Derrick Rose, mostly because he wouldn't put Westbrook on Rose. The years after that he had a ton of transfers and guys leaving for the NBA who weren't ready and the common theme seemed to be for most of those players that they wanted to get the hell out of UCLA and stop playing for Howland. Combined with him burning bridges to recruit Southern California, basically being unable to recruit a point guard after Jerime Anderson, and running off half the players he recruited(Tony Parker was getting ready to leave until Alford was hired). The wheels were off and the run was over, the only question was when. It was time for Howland to go and it mostly came from his roster mismanagement. There are still debates about him in UCLA circles, much like there is over a certain Arizona football coach here, but the prevailing sentiment is that it was time for him to go.
Lavin, made tourney runs but the team always looked disjointed during the regular season and Baron Davis was quoted at one point as saying, "Imagine what we could do if we had a coach." during a sweet sixteen run.
Bruins Nation is a terrible respresentation for UCLA fans as a whole, and almost any reasonable fan of UCLA avoids the place like the plague. Just like we shouldn't be judged by the MLive posters and Sparty shouldn;t be judged by the RCMB crowd(although it's funto do so).
You sound like someone I used to know. He was a sparty fan who would get furious if I would say Michigan will always be better than sparty. He would say "all you UM fans think your great and Bo lives forever. You live in the past"
He just never got it. Some people are just too dumb.
Did your friend say "think your great" or "think you're great" because that makes all the difference as to whether your friend is truly a dumb guy.
Without paying for facilities? Pauley Pavilion just completed a 136-million dollar rennovation.
would be a pretty pleasant start. Smart sat on his tuffet a bit too long.
Odd move, what were his choices last year?
I think it was wise to turn down UCLA because no coach can control their boosters but have to suffer the consequences when they get caught paying players. Marquette might not be as high on the food chain as some think Smart could climb, but it is a good place for now.
He will have an opportunity to win more games there and go deeper in the NCAA. Since neither Illinois nor DePaul seems to be able to dominate Chicago's fertile recruiting ground, Smart will have plenty of opportunities to get some very good players.
Is this really a step up? Seems like if he waited a other year or 2 he'd be in great shape for a bigger job.
Is this a real question? Big East Marquette or a school with the word commonwealth in it?
Virginia fancies itself a commonwealth rather than a state, so VCU is actually a good-sized state university, about 3x the size of Marquette.
The Big East is a shell of what it once was. It's essentially a mid major conference now. Is this list of teams really that impressive anymore - Marquette, Villanova, Depaul, St. Johns, Seton Hall, Providence, Creighton, Xavier, Georgetown and Butler??
We'll see how Creighton does without McDermott. Butler took a big step back in the first year Stevens has been gone. IMO, this is a lateral move and a head scratcher considering some of the jobs Smart was rumored to have a chance at but turned down.
Not your dad's Big East though. 2 years ago? Sure. Now? Missing several teams that we still think are in the Big East.
He has been offered many high profile jobs recently, and he decides on Marquette? I'm perplexed.
Maybe Marquette just really put on the full court press.
Is beautiful this time of year
Favorite Richmond bar: commercial tap house. Go pour one out for me. Or go to bottoms up and dump a taco pizza on the floor for me too.
Not a beer drinker, but that's a fantastic establishment. Bottoms up pizza is swill.
Friday after the international auto show, forgot my leftover box on the table....planned to eat it and watch us play Saturday, ruined, carrying my son I left it behind. I only get there a few times a year, hate downtown.
You mean Capital Ale House....?
Stopped there on the way back to Pittsburgh from vacation in Myrtle Beach on Friday. Food was pretty good and the beer selection was quite solid. Don't spend much time at all in Virginia, so it was nice to see a lot of VA micros available to sample.
No, Commercial Tap House on Robinson St. It's, ironically, far less commercial than Cap Ale House.
That wasn't smart...
Marquette is a good job plus this new watered down big east is very manageable. I think he finally realized his potential at VCU and wanted something new
He should have struck while the iron was hot a couple years back though.
Not sure Marquette is that great of a job. Their coach just left to take the Virginia Tech job. Virginia Tech basketball.
Va Tech is clearly a football school.
I think they won that tradeoff.
Shaka's star has worn off in my opinion. His 'Havoc' was shredded by us last March and he bowed out in the first round this year. He has been living off a Final Four appearance from what seems like forever ago. I think he realizes this is his last chance to go to a 'power conference', although the new Big East sucks in my opinion (spare me the kenpom talk). Keep in mind he is from Wisconsin as well.
Kansas is behind this.
Many in this thread questioning why he took the Marquette gig when he was offered higher profile gigs before. I would surmise its just a matter of VCUs star shining dimmer the last couple years and Smart realizing that his stock could slip further just as easily as it could rise again.
Some pushback from local Richmond media, some claiming the deal isn't done, others acting incredulous that this is actually happening citing the UCLA turn down. Idk what to believe.
I had the same reaction until I was reminded he's from WI. That makes sense and I'm sure it's a done deal.
That you can go home again.
Shaka is from Milwaukee, and the expectations will be significantly lower than UCLA. I think it is a great move for him, and I am happy for him. We went to college together, and I think that he is one of the finest people that I have ever met.
Small technicality, but Madison.
Marquette is a real good situation. They're now in a major-ish conference and their school is committed to their b-ball program. Apparently, Smart is from the area, so it makes a lot of sense why he'd go there instead of UCLA.
up four with three seconds left.
Of course, that can be said for kids from almost any state.
I graduated in '99!
Has he really done anything besides one final four appearance?
Turned VCU into a consistent and occasionally dangerous NCAA tournament team. Which I feel is pretty impressive at a school with to my knowledge no basketball history whatsoever. Is he as good a coach as everyone was saying he was after his Final Four run, no, but I am not sure you will find many more impressive coach resume's outside of the traditional basketball power.
Well he's the best coach VCU's ever had, and he's made the tourney the last four years, which is pretty damn good for VCU.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRY HIM WITH A SORRY JOB LIKE UCLA. THAT'S WHAT YOU GONNA GET
like making VCU a meaningful national program every year
edit: apparently a race to answer that one.
laid the foundation at VCU for Smart. Both Grant and Capel took VCU to the NCAA tournament before they moved onto jobs at bigger schools. VCU made the tournament in 2 of Grant's last 3 years there. Capel at Oklahoma and Grant at Alabama.
Smart definitely seems to have taken that foundation and built on it, but it's not like VCU was devoid of success before he took over.
This year, VCU was a late collapse and a bone-headed four point play by a freshman away from the Round of 32. I called the blowout last year against us. It was 1990 UNLV vs Loyola Marymount, not 1990 Michigan vs LMU. So did Charles Barkley. (Although he only expressed his opinions in leading questions...I think he has a fondness/connection for VCU.) Turrible matchup for VCU. Havoc versus better athletes and the ball-handling of Trey & Spike. Who else could do that to VCU last year?
the film room for VCU, he has a connection. Also VCU has earned respect for advancing far in the tournament, if they kept being one and done they wouldn't be ranked.
I could be wrong, but isn't this basically coming home for Smart? I remember reading that he is a Wisconsin native, so perhaps that was part of it. Still, Marquette lost a good coach to another job and got a good one in exchange,so they do have that.
I played HS ball with Shaka in Oregon, WI right outside of Madison. AFAIK his family is still there.
If Bo Ryan retires in the next few years, would Smart be a candidate for the UW job? Or does this move, to their in-state rival, basically close the door on that?
I'm still trying to figure out Buzz Lightyear (or was it Killington) move to VT that created the opening in the first place. How in the Hell is that an upgrade? Virginia Tech doesnt give two shits about basketball at all.
Agree. I assume it was the appeal of the ACC. Milwaukee is an awesome city though and I would take that in a heartbeat over Blacksburg
Buzz mentioned at least three times in a CBS interview that coaching in "the premier conference" was a huge draw
Buzz got paid some serious, serious cash. Could be at least the new AD has started to give a shit or two.
I think Buzz actually took like a 700,000 paycut.
Well he did turn VCU from a nobody school to a 25 win a season type of school. Then ofcourse there is the Final Four run he had back in 2011 when nobody knew who they were. I think Marquette could use a guy like him. But his stock has slipped the past 2 years after getting killed by our team last year and then a 1st round exit this year.
VCU actually was pretty good before Smart got there (although they'd never gone to the Final Four, obviously). Jeff Capel and Anthony Grant had success there previously.
they were just beginning to get noticed, Grant gave smart a tournament team.
Marquette just upgraded coaches.
Comes with a ton of strings attached. Agents are constantly hanging over everybody's shoulders. It's a high-pressure job and can be downright toxic for a younger coach.
Shaka Smart is talented but is still learning. Gradually working his way up is a smart move.
I may be criticized by this, but he's still a one-trick pony with regards to HAVOC and the full-court press. He does a great job, but he needs to build on it.
Last year, when he faced Michigan, the press failed because Michigan had too many skilled ballhandlers and passers. You have to be able to adapt and VCU was not able to do that. Contrast that with another devotee of the full court press, Rick Pitino, who was able to beat Michigan (yes, aided by the referees and the fact that he's a scumbag) even though his team was not able to force a bunch of turnovers.
Smart is still really young and has a brilliant mind. But he's not ready for UCLA yet. Marquette is a good spot for him. Beilein will see him in recruiting battles in Indiana and Chicago for sure
I think it's fairly safe to say that Rick Pitino and Big East Louisville had a little more to sell to recruits than did Shaka recruiting kids into the Colonial League.
NBA prospects versus hungry leftovers. All-around talent with kids that can shoot (damn you, Luke Hancock) versus raw athletes that can be made in something good.
What was Shaka to do? Go with what his team does well, or do the equivalent of transforming from a basketball-on-grass team into a wishbone team in two days?
Ever heard of something just not being the right fit. Chris Peterson is a strict Mormon and a weird dude. He wouldn't fly in the Bible Belt. Washington is perfect. Shaka is from Wisconsin and doesn't want to put up with Bill Walton 365 days a year. It has nothing to do with fear.
Peterson is a Scientologist not a Mormon. Good luck making that work in the south.
I dont think he is either. From what I have read there is another Chris Petersen that is a Scientologist and people ran with the mistaken identity, I guess.
Hilarious movie and I love that dude.
"The phone is for you. I think it's the devil."
I happened to catch Bill Walton doing an NIT game while channel-surfing last night, and within a couple of minutes, I had to change the channel. He was going on-and-on about how the individual player of the year should go to someone other than Doug McDermott because of the supposedly superior team cultures and deeper tournament runs elsewhere.
The sanctimonious ass contridicted himself multiple times.
Two undefeated seasons and two BCS Bowl wins say I dont think Peterson gave a hoot. He proved everything he needed to prove at Boise, and he waited for the right situation.
Good hire and interested to see how he does
Doesn't look like this is a done deal yet.
I guess it's a step up, but the BE isn't what it used to be, and I can't imagine he wants to stay there forever. I don't blame him for not going after the UCLA job some years ago (though his defense would have been terrifying with the athletes the Bruins can get), but this doesn't feel like the greatest upgrade in terms of career trajectory. It's just a slightly more famous mid-major IME.
Wow VCU was set to add their best recruiting class and probably have their best team next year. This is definitely a shocker. I think he will do well at Marquette though.
No, a shocker is Whichita State
of what's left of the Big East in the coming years, this is at best a stepping stone for Shaka. If nothing else just seems kind of like a lateral move. Atlantic10 ain't nothing to fuck with. Could, no, should, change their name to the Wu-Tang 10.
last I recall he and his wife loved living (in this arm pit) and he had better options previous years then marquet. I can't imagine him going there when he had better choices and turned them down.
I'm in Richmond...living (in this arm pit)...better options...turned them down
Eh, I would stay at VCU and wait until a blue-blood big time program needed a coach. Hell, Duke us gotta be thinking about it soon. IU as well.
He didn't, he left to take the Va Tech job
Shaka is a good coach and if he wants to stay at VCU, good for him. He should leave for a better job if offered though. I think that guy can make it in the big boy conferences.
I thought he was going to the UP and was really confused.
But maybe he's not as appealing due to two early exits from the NCAA tourney the last two years??
Would go to Carolina when Roy retired...
Smart is not coming to Marquette
I guarentee it !
Smart is waiting for a true Destination spot.
No way in hell he goes to Marquette. I guarentee it.
he is from Oregon,WI
He is gonna wait for Bo Ryan to retire or a true destination job like UNC, Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Wisconsin for him to go to.
Marquette will come down to Ben Howland, Brian Wardle and Tod Kowalczyk.
If I was Marquette, I'd go after Wardle. 34 years old, Marquette alum, turned around UWGB. I think Howland is a great coach but is 56, and had some internal issues at UCLA.
I see it down to those 2, If Marquette goes after Tod Kowalczyk I will laugh.
I have a close relative who works in the athletic department at VCU. They're high up enough that they are part of the traveling contingent during the A-10 and NCAA tournaments and were on the team charter to and from San Diego last week. They told me that there has been zero chatter about this prior to the news coming out and in the past they had heard about the Illinois and UCLA possibilities before they were reported publicly. VCU is a much smaller athletic department than a school like Michigan and pretty tight knit with basketball at the core. My relative said that it's definitely possible that Shaka could take another job without them knowing until it was announced but they would be surprised.
Marquette has lost its luster a bit moving into the reduced Big East aka now the big least
they lost Notre dame,Uconn,Pitt,Rutgers(lol), syracuse, West Virginia and Louisville
they lostt the strongest drawing teams pretty much in their conference
The new Big east is pretty much the Atlantic 10 equal now
I can see why Buzz left, plus at marquette i think he took them as far as he could take them.
Virginia Tech is a challenege, 2 ncaa tourney bids in 25 years, tough conference in the ACC.
You can turn that around, and can make Virginia Tech a basketball competitior thats tough in the ACC, you can write your own ticket to alot of places.
Dude is crazy if he goes to Marquette Over Tim Duncan's and Chris Paul's alma mater.
Dwayne Wade + George Thompson + Doc Rivers + a national title >>>> Tim Duncan + Chris Paul
VCU fans are all like..... Except for perhaps the fact who knows if he is actually moving there. Doubt it.