Maybe if they quit playing like mid-majors.
Maybe if they quit playing like mid-majors.
doesn't really help them on the court.
Come on, don't group them in with the Mid-majors. It makes mid-major conferences look bad...
...but not really.
when there are "BCS" games played in college basketball you will be first to know.....
Don't try to explain this to an SEC fan. Ever been to a basketball game in the south? Half the crowd spends their time bitching about the team "not being set for the inbound", "fumbling" the ball to the other team, and screaming "HIT HIM!" on break-aways.
Like explaining hockey (or what a girlfriend is) to a Hawaiian...
I'll be here all night folks, tip jar is by the Diaries section.
So this is actually one of Brian's alter-egos. I had always wondered as much.
That's what you get for leaving the Union!
isn't it NASCAR season? Why do they even care?
(in my best redneck voice) There are only two seasons: SEC Footbaw & Spring Practice!!!
go on all the talk shows about this! Rub the hurt in some more!
P.S. Dear Big Ten--don't screw the pooch.
That is the equivalent to finishing 5-6 and bitching that you didn't make it to a bowl over a MAC school...
I like the new avatar...a lot. Nice incorporation of the pink pony
Well, Calipari seems to be the only basketball coach that uses Saban like tactics to win.
The SEC isn't close to one of the best leagues in the country. Watch Alabama if you get the chance. They'd finish 10th in the Big Ten if everything broke right.
wrong sport, cuonzo
ps, i hated you at purdue
Cuonzo you had 64 chances to make your point. Sorry no sympathy.
Sparty tears taste just like SEC tears.
If you wanted in the tournament, Cuonzo, your team should have played better. Bitching about the results won't improve your team.
This is why people root for mid-majors.
I feel so fucking sorry for your conference.
What a crock. The SEC sucks.
You know what happens in mid major leagues? The team that won the league tourney only made the NCAA tourney because of that. That's what happened in the SEC. They're lucky they didnt get two bids. Tell them to beat anyone outside of conference and then talk.
This is funny. This is Nick Saban's opinion on getting the four "best" teams into a football playoff:
"I think somebody's a little self-absorbed and how it affects them and how they can best get somebody in the game all the time rather than getting the best four teams. I don't think that's fair to the fans and the people who really have made it known they really want to see the best four teams play in a playoff."
Now, this jackass from Tennessee is saying that the SEC deserves more teams because they're better than a mid-major conference? Puh-lease. SEC Hypocrites!!!
In fairness, the SEC is not a person, and cannot be a hypocrite. Saban and Martin are two different people who can have two differing opinions.
I bet Hoke and Urban disagree on plenty. It doesn't make the Big Ten a hypocrite.
No need for any logic when it comes to a good SEC bashing...
Thanks, WolvinLA2, but you can keep your fairness. I'm irrationally lumping the SEC, its member schools, their coaches, and fans all together.
They can all kiss my ass.
That's cool. I'm of the mindset that they have enough legitimate stuff to bash them for that we don't need to make up extra stuff.
But I like your way too.
for comment, Stu Douglas simply dunked on Bruce Pearl and Counzo Martin had nothing else to say on the matter after that.
Oh that is just rich. Love it when the shoe is on the other foot!!
Funny how not being able to over-recruit nearly as much in basketball compared to football affects a conference's abilities.
But honestly, of those three teams listed maybe Kentucky has an argument, and that's kind of a stretch. It was a crap conference with only Florida being a legitimate top team. 3 bids looks rights to me.
in the first round of the NIT. NCAA was kind of a stretch.
SEC! SEC! SE...no? Not now?
If you belonged in the big tournament, why are your guys 10:1 against to even win the NIT?
AAAAAAAAAhahahahahaha. Fuck you, SEC.
doesn't translate to basketball? Must be some other variables to this football dominance thing.
Not saying all these comments won't prove to be true this year but given that the defending National Champs Kentucky hail from the SEC and B1G hasnt won one since 2000 we might not want to knock them TOO hard.
Oh, and while another SEC team Florida was winning it all in both 2006 & 2007 the B1G has lost it's last four NCAA Championship games.
Glass house meet rock.
That also proves what a lot of us say about winning football championships. Great teams win conferences. I believe a few years ago when UConn won the title the Big East had 9 teams in and UConn was the only one in the E8. That Florida team played in a very weak SEC, but was the best team. Alabama wins NC because they have the best football program, not because the SEC is so supreme. LSU lost to Clemson, Florida got crushed by Louisville, and SC should've been beat in their bowl games.
I don't like this argument.
First of all, the coach is talking about this year, so who won championships last year or 7 years ago doesn't really apply.
Second of all, he's talking about the depth of his conference, not how good the top teams are. If he were bitching that Florida should have deserved a 1 or 2 seed based on how top SEC teams perform in the tourney, your argument would hold water, but he's talking about the bubble teams. UK winning a national title doesn't saying anything about the 5th best team in the conference.
Lastly, I think using national championships to determine the strength of a conference is a bad indicator. Those seasons where USC was winning national championships (allegedly) the Pac 10 sucked. No one then thought the Pac 10 was good because USC was the best team in the country. And everyone agreed that the Big Ten sucked this year. If OSU wasn't on probation, played ND in the title game and won (which likely would have happened), is the Big Ten all of a sudden a great football conference in 2012? If Memphis or Butler had pulled off those national championships a few years ago, were their mid major leagues the best?
No. The best team does not necessarily come from the best conference. In fact, especially in basketball, the best team can very realistically come from the worst.
start cheating more.
Give me a break. They don't even go to their teams games. Here are the stats. Attendance numbers are from 2011-12 (last completed season of attendance)
It's a joke VANDERBILT practically fills their arena almost every game, and big name schools like auburn, georgia and south carolina have pathetic numbers.
|Team||Capacity||Avg Att.||% Full|
SEC has football, baseball and softball. Kentucky in most years run that conference. This year florida is the team. The ONE team who is worth a damn there and they couldn't even win the conference tournament against a bubble team.
Into what basketball is like down here. It takes second (and sometimes third) fiddle. For the SEC teams, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and Florida are probably the most well attended, because they have had recent success. That's like saying Penn State isn't good because they don't fill their arena. Basketball isn't such a priority down here for sec teams. You go if your team is good. Nobody wants to watch a bad Auburn team like nobody wants to watch Penn State. Size of school and attendance have nothing to do with the basketball skill level.
Baseball is #2 in SEC land. Les Miles takes kids to baseball games for official visits. Check out their stadium. It's better than 5/3 Field in Toledo and that's AAA baseball.
Ohh now the shoe's on the other foot, huh? This isn't football, pal. Your conference sucks. Florida is the only team in the SEC that's nationally relevant, and even they lost some games to some pretty questionable teams. While I don't think it will take Kentucky very long to get back on its feet, I guarantee if Bama, Tennessee or Kentucky were in the Big Ten this year, they'd be lucky to have .500 records.
You want to stop being treated like a mid-major? Field some more competitive teams. I'm sure your football counterparts would be happy to explain that to you.
They've been a joke historically really. Kentucky owns the place. Even in a down year, it shouldn't make them lose sleep at night. They have so many SEC banner they could give a bunch of people in 3rd world countries blankets.
I mean, Auburn couldn't even do anything with freaking Charles Barkley. They got to the Elite Eight and that is the biggest accomplishment they've had.
Cuonzo, Cuonzo, Cuonzo. Your team came to UVA and scored fewer points than Mississippi Valley State (SWAC, 5-23), Seattle (WAC, 8-22), and Lamar (Southland, 3-28.) If you don't want to be treated like a mid-major, don't play worse than the shitty ones.
Jesus, does the South ever stop bitching? I'm pretty sure losing the Civil War means you have to keep your mouths shut forever. I'm pretty sure that's in the treaty Lee signed somewhere.
Not really to answer your question. And I live in probably the least "south" southern town around, outside of Austin (which is pretty damn west to be considered south).
Isn't Austin, despite it's location in Texas, that city that all "real" Texans regard with suspicion and disdain?
Kentucky probably would have been on the right side of the bubble had Nerlens Noel not gotten hurt as they were 17-6 at the time and finished 4-5. With him they were a decent team. Iowa and arguably Purdue are better than Alabama or Tennessee. Not good teams.
In general if you want to complain about how you are treated relative to other conferences it is a good idea not to go 0-3 against them as Tennessee did. But best of luck to him in the NIT or CBI or CIT or whatever it is they call those things now.
You're right - if Noel doesn't go down, UK probably gets in, but Ole Miss probably doesn't (because then, as the 3 seed, they would have had to beat UK and Florida in back to back games, and I bet that doesn't happen). So that still likely gets them 3 bids.
The SEC is spoiled because their football programs are treated like they excrete odorless feces, and they expect the same preferential treatment in basketball. Maybe they should give a few more of those ho-stesses and golden handshakes to basketball players and recruits.
In the article, Calipari mentions that there is a perception that the league is down, and indeed, the SEC collectively went 38-88 in conference games on the road (Florida is the only team with a winning conference road record too), just short of .500 on neutral courts, and managed a somewhat anemic 0.186 winning percentage against the Top 25. Interestingly, last year, thanks in large part to an up Kentucky team, the SEC was 0.614 on neutral courts and 0.351 against the Top 25.
To Cuonzo Martin's point, I have to believe that Western Carolina is not seen as a statement win typically, nor is a mere 7-point victory over a lowly Auburn team. In any case, I believe we saw quite a few 20 to 21-win teams like Tennessee and Alabama get passed over on Sunday for various reasons, and thus far, only the SEC has put its crushed ego on display for all to behold (also, to ridicule).
Big 10 1
And it's funny that you pick 1990, since we won it in 1989.
That 1 was a 0. Forgot about Michigan State in 2000, huh?
UT alum, from a MIch family.
Seemed like a nice round number.
You could make the same argument for Indiana and MIch St. I think a Big 10 - SEC challenge would be a little more interesting yu Mich fans seem to think.
It isn't, just a little perspective.
Enjoy the NIT
As if UM fans have no idea what the NIT feels like.......smh
But last time I saw Tennessee being anything close to nationally relevant, they were getting bombed by 30 by us.
Tennessee fans trolling our board......smh
You can go back to 1930 if you want, SEC still has more NC's.
Right, and so will the Pac 12. No one will deny you that Kentucky and UCLA have been great basketball programs. It doesn't make their conferences great, though.
Kentucky has always been good. Florida has been very good in the last decade, but that's about it and Arkansas had a few great years where they won one championship. The SEC has a total of 3 non-UK championships. This is not a good measure of overall conference strength.
The Big Ten has had 5 different teams win it all. The SEC has had 3. Is my bad argument any better than your bad argument?
Can we apply that logic to football too?
Charles woodson won the heisman in 1997
Just makes you wonder what the hell Frank Martin was thinking!!??
So now SEC teams should be allowed into the dance because they are a power six conference and they are the "SEC". What a joke. According to Teamranking, the SEC as conference has a worse RPI and SOS compared to two mid-major conferences.
|Conference||Conference RPI||Conference SOS|
If you don't want to be treated like a mid-major then beat the out of conference opponents you have to raise your team(s) and conference RPI. Instead of doing that, SEC teams lose to likes of Mercer, Tulane, Dayton, Iona and so forth. They have their opportunities to beat the good teams but they never do. Moreover, with the departure of the Big East, there will no longer be the SEC vs. Big East show down which won't help their conference capitalize on matchups versus quality Big East teams. While Florida and Kentucky bolster the conference image, the conference as a whole suffers from depth issues and the chance to pick up quality wins against each other unlike the Big East or Big Ten. Do I feel sorry for the SEC? Hell no! Enjoy the NIT Cuonzo.
Sidenote: I can't wait for the tournament to start and watch the teams in the SEC get bounced especially Ole Miss.
They are the worst major conference in basketball. Cuonzo just tryin to get the fans behind him and the team in the NIT. I wonder how much more money they'd bring in if they expanded to 128? Might be worth it to keep the big schools and small schools happy. If it involves more names like jackrabbits and billikens, I am IN.
is like that. Maybe the craziest collection of D1 mascots anywhere: Mastodons, Jaguars, Kangaroos, Mavericks, Bison, Golden Grizzlies, Coyotes, Jackrabbits, Leathernecks.
1. NOT EVER THE SEC
SEC, slang for "who gives a shit?"
Maybe it is me (I only read the block quote) but it reads as if he is more or less calling out his own league for being so down and not performing up to expectations for being a major conference. I do not read it as him saying they should have gotten more teams in based on their seasons but that they should get more teams in because they should have one more games and been competetive as a league in the national landscape.
I went back and read the block quote with your outlook in mind, and that makes sense except for the line where he says Tennessee, Kentucky and Alabama are "NCAA Tournament teams" but they didn't get bids. That, to me, reads like he feels they deserved a bid but didn't get one.
Now, it could be a little of both, but that would make more sense coming from a coach whose team made it, but was disappointed the rest of his league didn't do their part. But this is coming from a coach of a team that didn't get in, so in your view he would be calling himself out for not performing up to expectations, and that's unlikely.
When Kentucky in a terrible year can finish tied for 2nd and still not make the tournament, the SEC sucks. Sorry Cuanzo. Tennessee sucks too.
I dont think 20 -12 qualifies as sucking. I remember UM having quite a few of those seasons as well. When's the last time MIch made back to back Elite 8"s?
I love Michigan, my grandfather went to school there, but I am a UT alum and some of you have very convenient memories.
I get it, the SEC sucked this year, and the B10 was awesome. That isnt always the case.
that Kentucky got knocked out by NIT 8th seed Robert Morris.
Clearly the best 8th seed the NIT has ever seen, beating a tournament team like Kentucky.
So...who's sense of anticipatory schadenfreude is leading them to root for Mercer tomorrow?
So in the future when there are four 16-team super conferences, and they withdraw from the NCAA, everyone in the Super Conference Athletic Association will get into the SCAA Basketball Tournament Sponsored by (insert highest bidder).
When you are used to seing the football coaches getting "taken care of", I am sure the ego hurts a bit when the basketball program doesn't get lobster shoved up their...
this is now at least twice as amusing. Can we retroactively take another bid away from them? Maybe send Mizzou home in favor of Iowa?