Good re-sign he pitched well in some of the Tigers toughest games.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Good re-sign he pitched well in some of the Tigers toughest games.
Way too much money
I hate when rich people spend their own money in a non salary capped sport to try to win a championship. It really is terrible. Stop spending your own money Illitch I hate it when you operate without a budget!!!
Based on what? Your opinion?
Wow, that's alot of money for a fourth starter.
who would be #2-#3 in most rotations. Detroit has one of the best 4-man rotations in baseball locked down now.
I agree. There is no reason the Tigers shouldn't run away in the Central this year with a whole year of Sanchez, the return of VMart and the addition of Hunter. The only reason I might question the signing is that the fourth starter probably only pitches 2 or 3 games in the playoffs at most. 16 million a year could guarantee you a rock solid bullpen (if there is anybody worth it at the moment).
Speaking of the bullpen...what are we gonna do with that mess
I don't know. With the addition of Hamilton to the Angels, I don't particularly like our chances against them in the playoffs with our current bullpen. The Angels are stacked right now.
The Angles have a much worse bullpen. Remember, they didn't make the playoffs last year at all.
Only because they played in a tougher division. The Angels won more games than the Tigers did
game than Detroit and they split the season series. Come on.
Eh, the addition of Hunter and V-Mart replacing D Young improves our lineup more than Hamilton improves theirs. Of course, this depends on whether or not V-Mart can return to his pre injury 120 wRC+ level.
Plus, their SP has taken a hit.
to be the closer. Not sure if Leyland will trust a rookie to be the closer. Rondon has some arm talent and his stuff is electric. However, his command is very spotty which is a huge concern. My gut is Coke will get the first nod at closing out games.
They are hoping that Benoit will bounce back and Alberqueue to continue to improve. Hard to spend money on bullpen because the performance tends to fluctuate year to year.
Been performing well in Venezualan winter ball. Even when he's been roughed up it hasn't come on walks, which is the most important thing (imo) for a young, hard throwing reliever. I agree on Coke; he was auditioning for the job after Valverde imploded, and it might be a great fit for him.
First this solidifies the Tigers rotation as one of the best in ALL of baseball! They will eat a lot of innings and with that said the Tigers only need an average bully and a future all star closer (Rondon). I persnall feel like they will be above average which will make this signing look good. Second Sanchez is getting paid to get the Tigers to the post season. If he happens to be the #4 in our rotation and does not get the solid starts in the post season as you mention he will be a bull out of the bully. This is a great signing, wish it could have been for less but that is the way of american sports.
His W-L record is a bit misleading, have to remember that he has spent his career pitching for the Marlins. His secondary numbers have always been pretty good. With that being said, $80 million is a lot of money, but hey it's not mine, so I am a happy Tiger fan today.
I just always think of what Doug Fister's W-L numbers were like before coming to the Tigers. When I saw that I was not impressed but when I looked at his ERA and that he was last in the league in run support I was happy with the deal.
Lots of dough, but his postseason ERA was microscopic--could be reaching his prime. Personally, I like this signing (it's not my money, though).
So Smyly at the 5 or do we just throw the best body in there regardless of whether or not we have a lefty in the starting 5?
I think Smyly is your fifth starter, and Porcello is very likely off to greener pastures as trade-bait. I hope there is some good result here for Porcello, as he's still pretty young and just never seemed able to put it all together in Detroit.
Is Porcello really bait? Not sure he has much value.
He could be a solid rotation guy in the NL. He would probably have a surprisingly good year in his first season in the NL.
If I were the Cubs, I would offer a middle of the bullpen pitcher for Porcello. Porcello has 4 or so years experience for a winning club, and is 23 or 24 years old I believe. He also doesn't make much. The switch to the NL will improve his numbers, as well as going to a team that can turn a double play or field a ground ball. The Tigers were a horrible team for a ground ball pitcher to play for.
Porcello and a middling prospect could almost certainly get you Marmol. Cubs were going to trade him straight up for Haren (who only had one year left on his deal) before they got a look at Haren's medicals and backed out.
Porcello still has decent value, he's a young cost controlled solid MLB starter whose peripherals don't match up with his production.
Trevor Cahill got a solid return for the A's, and Porcello has similar value to what he had.
Porcello is only 23 with 4 years in the MLB already (makes him seem older) with no apparent arm damage. He's probably 4 years from his prime, he's signed and he's reasonably priced going forward. I hope he sticks at #5.
I disagree with some of the Tiger fans out there constantly thinking we need to get rid of/trade the 23 year old. He has some inconsistency issues and may never be that ace like we had initially hoped for, but he has great stuff and great poise. I guess there's not much more to add to my argument as it's just an opinion that I think we should hang onto Porcello and use him as the number 5 man in the rotation.
You can start Smyly in the bullpen, but on of the SPs will naturally get hurt and miss some starts, and Smyly can fill in for him.
Porcello is a ground ball pitcher, and in case you haven't noticed, the Tigers aren't the greatest defensive team in the MLB. His style is of much better use on some other team and we could trade for someone who is of much better use to us than the team they are being traded from.
Is the next Smoltz we trade away. I am a big fan regardless of recent struggles.
That said, if you can get a legit closer for him like the Pittsburgh guy and win now (next two or three years), I think a GM would have good reason to do it. My loose unscientific theory is that guys like Smoltz would have had difficulty becoming who he ultimately was had he stayed and not been traded. So, its false logic to hoard potential talent (when you might actually be surpressing it, diminishing its value and not addressing an area of weakness). Trade him and give him a chance to get his wings and us ours.
...not sure if this makes any sense and have no idea why I am randomly commenting on this...anyway
GO BLUE....back to wistful thinking on 5 star recruits and dreams of crushing Gamecocks.
Saying Porcello has great stuff is, well, laughable.
He doesn't have one plus pitch, not even his sinker is a plus pitch.
His slider is god awful, and his changeup is also very poor, which is why he gets crushed by LHH to the tune of .324/.381/.503.
Think we should at least break him in as a set up man before we deal him. I'm still sick about Rodney.
Pretty steep, but 5 years isn't too bad for a guy who's only 28.
Frankly it doesn't even take a sabermetrician to point out the irrelevance of the W/L record when evaluating a pitcher's future. People have been banging that drum for a very long time. Roger Craig used to say it takes a darn good pitcher to lose 20 games.
and someone else to Pittsburgh for their closer Joel Hanrahan.
Thanks Mr. I for the best starting rotation in baseball! I would think if we land a closer next...
Cubs were apparently the competition at a rumored 5 yr/$75 million price tag. Lots of cash to outlay for #4 starter, but will be worth the monetary risk if he solidifies the rotation for the next few years a la (injury-free) Fister. And he would probably be a #2/#3 starter for many other MLB teams.
I don't know Porcello's trade value. But he's still so freakin' young, has good stuff (preferably with an athletic infield to back him up) and has pitched in a lot of big games. He seems to be the odd-man out - unless he learns to pitch left-handed.
We (Cubs) were the first team to offer Sanchez 5 years from what I heard. Tigers had been hoping to stick at 4 years, but the Cubs offer of 5 years 75 mill, and eventually 5 years 77.5 mill is what made the Tigers up their offer.
Sanchez will be making more money than the best pitcher in all of baseball? Not sure how this sits in Verlander's mind.
I don't think JV is that kind of dude.
Verlander makes more than Sanchez...
20 mil a year vs 16 mil a year for Sanchez
The contracts on their face are both 5/$80 but Verlander's was structured at $8 and $12 the first two years, then bumped to $20/year the last 3 years so Verlander is making $20 million this year. Unless Sanchez' deal is structured to be getting more than that this year, and teams very rarely frontload contracts, he won't be making more than JV.
So both are 5 for $80 (sorry I thought JV didn't make as much) and I know that Verlander is not the type to get pissed. My point that I don't like having Sanchez make as much as the best in the game.
Verlander wasn't a FA when he signed his contract.
Verlander will get the highest contract ever for a pitcher in a year or so, I'm pretty sure he'll be ok with that.
I like this move but don't expect the Tigers to sign Max Scherzer after 2014 because of this deal.
I wish everyone would stop complaining about overspending. There is no salary cap in baseball and no one has any idea how much owners have. Money doesn't carry over when you die. I for one want the tigers to spend more and go all out for the next two seasons to try and win a WS. Plus little ceasers is making a crap load.
I want to say sorry, and that we all are quite grateful to your sacrifices that you are making for this team, Mr. Ilitch, in order to field a world series contender!
Thank you, couldn't agree more. It truly doesn't matter how much they spend. If Illitch wants to spend a ton and get into luxury tax territory, more power to him! I'd much rather have an owner like that than a frugal guy who doesn't like spending his own money, like the Twins owner from some years back....Kohler maybe was his name? My boss is a Twins fan and that always drove him nuts - an owner who refuses to spend money would lead to an unhappy fan base.
We should all be very happy about this, it shows his committment to winning. I hope he tells Dombrowski to go out and sign several more players.
So what your saying is that Sanchez can go buy 8 million Hot n Ready meal dealz....sure hope he gets extra sauce with that.
JV makes $20 million a year and Anibal will now be making $16 million so ... advantage JV.
Please tell me the next move is shipping one of the contenders for our #5 spot in the rotation, along with Peralta and Boesch to the Rangers for Elvis Andrus.
It makes sense. The Rangers lost Hamilton and Napoli and with that a lot of pop from their lineup. The change of scenery for Boesch, and in that park, could turn him back into a legit power threat, plus he's not advanced in age or terribly expensive if it doesn't work out.
Andrus is too young to justify keeping him at SS if they really want to bring up Profar, though they don't necessarily want it to be all about Profar right away. Peralta also can give them some pop in that park and be a good replacement in the infield, and then ultimately to the spot Michael Young had if necessary.
Porcello could pitch in that park because he doesn't give up many deep balls. He's more of a ground ball guy and that infield, especially when Profar is there, has the range to make a lot more outs than the Tigers did when Rick was pitching.
That's exactly what I just said at the "water cooler." The only way this makes sense is if they package Porcello (Rangers always need pitching), Boesch (Rangers now need an outfielder and he has upside) and Peralta (insurance if their young star isn't ready for prime time yet) to get Andrus. Paying $16m for our #4 starter doesn't thrill me, because we have to think about Fister and Scherzer down the line.
I'm sure they'll try to sign both, and JV will get a new contract before he's a FA in two years. But what if you can't keep all three? You've now got Sanchez under contract for 5 years, so if either Fister of Scherzer push for outrageous sums of money or simply want to leave, DD isn't scrambling to fill a spot.
If the Rangers wouldn't trade Andrus for Justin Upton, then why would they for Porcello, Peralta, and Boesch?
You're not getting Andrus for an older SS who stunk last year, a 4th outfielder and a starter you don't want.
If you think its a no-brainer for the Tigers, its usually a shitty trade for the other team.
Just because Texas has a surplus at SS (Andrus + Profar) and 3B (Beltre + Mike Olt) doesn't mean they're going to take mediocre deals for them as if their usefullness is going to expire.
The reason this scenario doesn't work is because Boesch sucks and has no trade value, Peralta is a mediocre player, decent stop gap, but also have little trade value.
Porcello has some trade value, he could net you a decent return, but nowhere near Andrus.
Texas could get a helluva lot more for Andrus than Porcello, Peralta, and Boesch.
I really like this a lot. Sanchez compares closely to James Shields and pretty close to Grienke. However, this sets a bar for Scherzer and Fister. If we give Sanchez $80 million thru 5, then imagine how much they could ask for. I think they'll have to trade one of those guys if they make JV and Miggy part of the 30 million club, which might need to happen for them to sign. Then again, who knows, because the new TV contract could be monstrous
Now is the time to trade Porcello. Try to get a 2B prospect or a good lefty reliever.
Given the movement this off season, it may be that the old conceptions of "just right" and "too much" in terms of spending are out the window. The shit going down in LA is distorting things massively.
As Mr. I sees it (i'm sure), he now has a perrenial playoff contender. That shows in television ratings and attendance at Comerica. He'll keep spending to win as many WS rings as he can before he dies. The Tigers may not keep every one of their current stars for the next 5 years, but they'll keep most because Mr. I will pony up for them to stay. He didn't bat an eye doing it with the Wings until he couldn't anymore. And we may be reaching the point similar to the Wings where players will take perhaps a little less than they could make on the open market to stay in the organization.
The Tigers will easily be able to support a payroll of 175 million starting in 2014.
These big contracts the Tigers are handing out, it isn't just because Illitch is opening up his wallet, it's because they can afford it.
I heard there were multiple NL teams with interest in Porcello. I think he'd be a good fit for a team like San Fran.
Yea Porcello could help us fill some problems (like SS and bullpen), but here's why we can't trade him:
1.) We don't have enough pitching depth to trade him. Yea we have a solid 1-5, however if any of them get hurt (which will happen) then we would be throwing Casey Crosby in there, and I don't even want to know what's behind him. Our pitching depth in our farm system is bad, real bad.
2.) Smyly could have value in the bullpen. I though Smyly looked great coming out of the pen during the playoffs. We would need another arm if Rondon doesn't work out and we have to move Coke or Dotel to closer.
3.) Porcello is only 24 years old. Most pitchers won't hit their primes until ages 28-32. I think Porcello has a lot of room for improvement. Each year we see flashes of brilliance from him at times. A lot of times Porcello pitched pretty good for a No. 5, however Leyland left him in the game to long.
Good signing. He's a better pitcher than his record, and as a 3rd or 4th starter he'll be great in tight series. I'm more worried about Hunter than Sanchez, but it looks like the Tigers have a workable plan, at least in the short term.