Bump left to become AD at Iowa.  Gary Moeller coached the Lions for a handful of games.  That's the closest I can come up with.  Schembechler, Elliott, Oosterbaan, Crisler, Kipke, Yost; they all ended their coaching days in Ann Arbor.

Moeller (assistant) went off to become HC at Illinois for a time; but that gets us into a very long list of assistants and players who went off to become head coaches.

I'm not sure what school Lloyd Carr was working for after he retired as Head Coach.

Cracks me up to read people's comments about how we need to focus on Ohio [State].  As if it matters what we read and write this week.

And yeah, I suppose that Coach Rodriguez might continue to be a proxy argument for many of us.  It is a two-way street of course.  If people want to continue to bash him, then there will be people who will defend him.  It is really the haters who need to get over Rodriguez, not his supporters.

I find myself caring less in the wake of his hiring at Arizona, but only because I know how hard it will be to use Arizona's success to shame Rodriguez's local media critics.  The sad thing is that while Rodriguez is gone, we still have the Free Press as a daily feature of our football program.

We prefer to be referred to as RR Defenders, because that makes us sound more righteous. No link to the logo and costume; they are still being designed.

"we've had some pretty good teams here!"

Don't be too enthusiastic Reverend....

It could've helped keep his 110th ranked defense off the field last year.

time for your defense to rest.

Just a waste of time.  I fully agree that there's no useful purpose for it at all.

Did you watch the 9 games Michigan won this year?

Kind of my job...not to speed interview. But I just went to check and see if they needed anything. That took 5 seconds, and then I had to introduce myself and I did so by saying I was a Michigan fan. So we chatted for like I said a couple minutes and he went back inside the booth.

You just get the feeling he truly believes he had something special coming this year. I'd have to agree to disagree because I never saw that offense do anything vs. a real defense.

I've seen him in interview talk about how proud and how well they played vs. Illinois. That tells me he just doesn't get it. 3 OTs vs. ILLI-FREAKING-NOIS!?! 60-something points?! At home!? No way. I was proud of THIS YEARS team for how they went down there and handled business.

Talk about Malzahn all you want. He had the best player in college football and a QB who was big enough to withstand the hits of the SEC. Same with Tebow. Denard can't be compared to either of those guys.

However, if you put Denard out in the Pac-12 in November on Rich Rod's Arizona team, I'm sure you get something that'll look like Oregon. Those leagues, climates, style of play, everything is different. Stanford, Cal, Washington and USC may play like the B1G, everyone else...not so much. Other than Washington, who isn't that good...you're not going to have to go deal with weather in those games for the most part. Other than USC, you're not going to have to deal with a physical OSU, Wisky, MSU, PSU, Nebraska (now Michigan) style defense. It's different. Period.

Anyway, back to the story...like I said, part of me feels bad for the guy. Part of me wishes he'd just get over himself and realize that he could've done something to help his cause. Hiring a defensive coordinator and letting him do his thing with HIS staff would've been start. Learning the B1G. Having a smoother transition so you don't dig yourself into such a whole. If Michigan goes 6-6, 7-5, 8-4...Rich Rod might still be here.

All in all, I wish him the best...I'm just not worried about him. Because as much as I wanted to agree that he got the raw deal...the fact that he doesn't believe he did anything bothers me just as much to the point where I'm like "f-it...Rich who?"

Different conferences, different climates, different D Coordinators

To be fair, I'm pretty certain that the point he was getting at was that the offense that RR runs, historically, has substantial difficulty in cold weather and against stronger than average defenses (although, really, most offenses would).  The bigger problem for him, which is now pretty much rectified by going to Arizona, is that his offense really has struggled in cold weather situations.  No idea why, and maybe it's just coincidence, but a number of instances stand out in my mind, both at WVU and Michigan.

OK, I'll bite. Hey guess what, those offenses have elements of the RR spread & shred, as do about 50 others you could mention. However, none of them run the QB anything even near to what RR's system does.

Pat White-191 carries

Pat White-197 carries

Denard Robinson-235 carries

Show me a Chip Kelly or Gus Malzahn offense with a QB shouldering that load, expecially a particularly undersized one playing in a conference full of NFL talent.

Did I miss something or did a USC team full of freshmen & sophmores on D just beat Chip? Do you think he'll stand a chance when those are juniors & seniors at USC?

Get me Les MIles on the phone so I can ask him if he'd rather face Oregon again or Alabama, he's not escared of their trickety offense.

totally not relevant to Michigan like pervs at PSU instead, or it's Tuesday, what are your drinking.

Seriously, Rich Rod being hired somewhere else is relevant. So is the Urban Meyer developments down in Columbus. While I agree that discussion about Ohio versus other common opponents, and other analyses about The Game is more appropriate for this week, most of that kind of content doesn't get posted in MGoBoard, and this topic drives clicks.

We already did all the Bo reminiscing last week. The pressers have been pretty bland. (With the press asking questions like Hoke was hired yesterday - maybe there is more national press that haven't been around during the season?)

So relax, and don't click on the Rich Rodriguez threads if you would prefer to focus on what to have at tailgates, etc.

So, if RR talks about rivalries, he's just doing it to appease the fanbase and "doesn't get it". If he doesn't talk about rivalries, he doesn't understand what's important to the fanbase and "doesn't get it". Way to set up a no-win scenario there.

Look, if you just don't like the guy that's totally fine. He rubbed you the wrong way. It happens. But say that. Don't couch your personal dislike in the nebulous concept of "getting it" whatever that means.

RR thinks he got a raw deal because he told Mary Sue and Bill Martin going in that things were going to take 3-4 years and would be rough before that time. But he got zero support through the bad times and cut loose after three years. He thought Michigan would be a first-class place where he could expect class treatment and only the best for his players and coaches, but it wasn't - he was sniped at at every step for faults real and imagined, and still got zero support from the AD. He knew he needed a good DC, but Martin was tight with the purse-strings. He had to take the fall for the bad blood with WVU because Mary Sue and Bill Martin put a gag order on him (because they didn't want to risk their own skins). Then, on the way out, DB intentionally fires him too late for him to land a good job and then doesn't give him a Gator Bowl ring, just to rub it in a little more.

In his mind, and I'd say this isn't terribly unrealistic, he probably believes he came in and was exactly who he told everyone he was going to be - and yet he was never backed up by his bosses, depite being vilified for being the coach they hired him to be.

Yeah he lost, and that's what matters most to the average fan, but we all know there was a lot more to it than that, places where he really was treated poorly.

unfortunately it doesn't sound like he's going to leave the defense alone:

“I like to run the odd front because it gives you versatility, but even the 3-3-5 now has morphed into a 3-4. I’m going to try to hire the best defensive coordinator I can, and if his schemes and philosophy can match some of the parameters I give him, then we’ll do that...I’m not married, so to speak, to a 3-3-5.”

http://tucsoncitizen.com/wildcatreport/2011/11/22/exclusive-one-on-one-with-rich-rodriguez/

He tried the "say what you believe" approach at Michigan and was vilified for it. Now we're back to Fort Schembechler.

If RR has a problem with honesty, it's too much of it.

with you and Ziff below.

Sadly, too many in the "Michigan Football Family" - ex-players, alums, ex-coaches, admins, columnists, fans - insisted that because THEY didn't read/hear those things that RR was saying to the team, he must not have believed them, or didn't know them, or whatever.

Including a 90 second interaction with our former coach. 

That guy doesn't get it, and seemingly, never did, right?

Jeebus the NCAA stuff is annoying. It's getting mentioned in every article. Why? When you've got coaches getting canned for lying to the NCAA, covering up illegal benefits, and oh yeah looking the other way when you hear about child rape?

Damn, if the worst thing you have on a coach is that his kids stretched for 20 minutes too long on Mondays (even though they didn't exceed 20 hrs for the week), that coach is a freakin' saint.

Hey Coach Jackson, this is Rich.  Just wanted to know, have you ever been to Arizona?

I'll bet Barwis goes with him.  An integral part of RR's philosophy is to have the kind of conditioning that will maximize quickness as opposed to size.  Barwis specializes in this.  

It'd be easy for Barwis to maintain ownership of his gym and keep his name on it while delegating the day-to-day operations to a staff, and go with RR to Arizona.  

I would be surprised if this is not what ends up happening.

As far as I know, the only member of his Michigan defensive staff that got promoted was Jay Hopson, who became a DC briefly and is not currently coaching. The rest are still position coaches so Arizona would be a horizontal move back to a familiar situation.

He seems to be certain he had the right formula here and would have won with his staff and this year's players. I suspect he'll try to put that defensive staff together again, maybe with Hopson as his coordinator, or maybe with Hopson back in his old slot and somebody new brought in to "coordinate".

God help him, whoever he is. I hope anyone contacted for the position puts in a call to Scott Shafer before he accepts.

Maybe you could recommend a Kumon location near him.

1).  Yeah, I meant roughly 10 wins - not that we're going to have 10 wins.  Because that's for the football gods to decide.  (Checks over shoulder, hopes "Beat Ohio" intro and outro appeases football gods).

2).  Totally fair.  I expect him to want the team to win and to follow what they are doing.  And no , I don't expect him to say "Hoke is better, I couldn't have done this."  What bothers me is the "I wasn't treated fairly" attitude.  If he can't talk about Michigan without making excuses (if I had only had a third opportunity to choose a DC), then I think he ought to just avoid the subject.  

Any how, this is turning into more of a rant than I wanted it to be.  Sorry for the borderline flaming.  I'm going to follow my own advice - if I don't have anything nice to say about RichRod, then I just won't discuss him at all.  

Beat Ohio.

not just a different opinion, but wrong. That's first. Second, Urban Meyer knows more than you about who can coach. Period. There is no other "column." He is right because he knows WAY more than you (and I). Your opinion is talk radio quality--just because it is a fact that Michigan did not go well for him, that doesn't obscure the fact that he can coach. There are many other facts that disagree with your opinion, and for the ultimate rejoinder to your opinion, see Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops. Plus his record at WVA. And his offense here. There is no comparison. Sorry again.

--Discrediting Urban Meyer despite earning 2 national champions in his first 4 years of coaching at Florida.

--Using blanket statements about the team's win-loss record rather than specifics regarding why it was Rodriguez's coaching that led to his win-loss record.

--The false statement that the last 3 years were the worse 3 years ever (you meant "worst 3-year period").

--Mentioning how poor of a recruiter Rodriguez is despite that he shouldn't have needed to start many of his recruits in the first few years of his tenure, and that his recruits are performing well under Mattison/Hoke.

--Never refuting the claim that RR's offense is not well suited to the Big Ten.

--WTF does "team chaos" mean? You mean how he brought the team together so Hoke/Mattison don't have to deal with the transfers he did? Or should Rodriguez have done more to prevent Lloyd Carr's direct undermining of him in his first year?

--Here's something that may surprise you: comparing this year to last year, Hoke's record against common opponents is identical to Rodriguez's record. See, I can make statements that are 100% truth and blanket the underlying cause too. Now, I think Hoke will prove this wrong by beating Ohio State this weekend, but part of the reason why he wins is because Ohio State is in turmoil right now, without last year's coach or quarterback.

If you want to continue this stimulating discussion with me, come join me on MLive.*

*I'm not on MLive.

If I remember correctly, Michigan's defenses under Lloyd were torched by spread offenses. Northwestern games come to mind often. How did we do against Oregon in 2007? We gave up 39 points and 624 yards. The game was over by halftime. That's just off the top of my head. As for the Florida game, I seem to remember that it was more that we outscored them than we shut their offense down. Florida scored 30 points for crying out loud.

Unless you can't help it that is. Your post is patently ridiculous and idiotic. You are both factually wrong, and given other posts I've seen from you, ignorant.

Can we stop pretending that Lloyd's last win somehow invalidates everything Urban Meyer did at Florida? Sure, it was a great game and a big win, but a) Michigan should have been in a better bowl (they lost a lot of games that year with banged up starters on offense) and b) Michigan won mostly by being more spread-like.

Urban Meyer can coach. Regardless of anything else you may think about him, dude can coach (so can Saban, who I have no qualms saying is a complete ass).

I think we can beat him, but let's not pretend we'll do that by Lloyd-balling him to death.

He could have done more to fight for Casteel to come join him, and in hindsight should have. However, given that Casteel was Rodriguez's first choice and turned him down because he wouldn't have gotten paid enough, Bill Martin and Michigan are also at fault.

He's a big lovable guy that we just can't get enough of.