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this might be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.
edit: maybe I should clarify. art, yes please. robocop, no thank you. Detroit needs some serious renovation and sprucing up, but not with one of the worst movies ever made.
Why anyone thinks it's a good idea for a city that is trying desperately to change its image to pay tribute to a movie that portrayed that city as an uninhabitable piece of shit is completely beyond me. This sounded like a stupid joke when I first heard about it a few weeks ago. Now, I can only wonder if there are actually people out there willing to drop $50k to keep the joke alive.
No one actually likes this idea, do they?
I completely agree.
The city does need to change its image, however, this is not the way to go about it.
So what exactly should the city do? Deny private citizens the right to put up a statue on their own land?
I said nothing about denying citizens the right to do anything. I didn't say it shouldn't be allowed. I said its a terrible idea for a statue. One that makes a mockery of Detroit.
Whereas that property's current abandoned, weed-infested state doesn't make a mockery of Detroit? Pretty much any proposal that makes use of the city's endless amounts of vacant land is a good thing. Tackiness > vacancy.
You are correct, in my opinon Tackiness > Vacancy.
But you know what. Vacancy > Tackiness + Vacancy.
Tackiness plus vacancy is still better than plain vacancy. (Case in point: the Heidelberg Project.) If it results in even a very modest amount of foot traffic to that area, that's something.
yes. and its funny. and its funny. and its funny. droves of people will visit the statue and it will exponentially increase tourism revenue in detroit and we'll all be rich soon.
You have distilled my argument to its very core. Bravo.
As long as no realistic alternative use for this land exists, there is no plausible argument against this.
That there are "no plausible arguments against this" doesn't change the fact that the idea is remarkably stupid.
sorry dad, we'll take the robocop statue down now and go to our rooms.
Or are you assuming that this endless amount of vacant land would be used for a statue? Most of that vacant land are in neighborhoods and not a place where's you place a statue, especially since the city is trying to buy up as much vacant land as possible for other uses.
you are failing all throughout this thread. Are you seriously trying to say that the government can't (or, at a minimum, shouldn't) regulate how people use their property?
Read the article, dude!
The proposed location is NOT Central Station. That is their location of last resort. The proposed locations are downtown, near Comerica Park. That is not "Vacancy". That is in the middle of the little vibrancy the city has.
This point, your ignorance of the ideas genesis (a computer programmer in Boston, not Detroiters, as you say) suggest that you have a small enough basis of knowledge on the issue to prevent you from uttering another word.
At least, read the linked article before posting 27 times on this thread about how wrong everyone else is - everything you've said is verifiably false at worst, a distortion of facts at best.
Would 50K people buy that for a dollar?
you guys are missing the point that robocop is bad ass. and it's funny.
also, nobody is "dropping 50K" people donated for the most part in small increments under $35. that's like, going out to dinner one night. id rather have a robocop statue and miss shrimp scampi one time then no robocop statue.
the movie was an extremely cynical budget production, full of lurid murder and (okay) really kind of fun BUT the last thing--down to its inference of police corruption--that I want to associate the city where I was born with. The whole endeavor smacks of a desperate clutching at straws. . . make a damned statue to Detroit's survivors, or people doing great things there now, not some p.o.s. movie.
its like the anti-Rocky statue.
If the city were spending its own funds to build it, I'd agree, but the money is being privately raised. If there are people willing to make a pilgrimmage to Detroit to see a statue, that's a good thing. And the statue's proposed location (near the old Michigan Central Station) might actually spur people to do something about that building.
I can see that too. But, I just can't fathom any rational person driving any great distance or making a pilgrimmage to see a statue of robocop.
Again, this is just one man's opinion.
People will do all sorts of weird things in their spare time.
The bottom line is that Detroit has way, way too much vacant land that's just sitting there growing weeds. Anything that makes use of this land is pretty much better than the status quo - especially if the city doesn't have to pay for it.
Fine, I will make a pilgrimage to Detroit to see the Robocop statue (and family). Then again, I am not to be confused with rational...
Next time I'm in Michigan I'm taking a side trip for pictures.
It's gonna be right near Slow's BBQ. I'd travel to have some Slow's.
I can't fathom any rational person donating $25,000 to build a statue of Robocop in Detroit either, but someone has. I personally think it's hilarious, and any publicity is good publicity for the city. As mentioned before, it was done with private funds and will likely bring some sort of attention to the city, that can only be a good thing. If it was done with city funds or replacing something else, I'd be against it, but it isn't.
it says that the real life company that was in the fictitious movie donated the money so it's not COMPLETELY RANDOM that they did that.
but anyway, I'm gonna watch Robocop now. all this Robocop talk has me excited!!!!
There are plenty of freaks out there willing to pay. That won't be a problem.
When you donate using Kickstarter, which they used, you have to commit to the money via Paypal. As I understand it, the money is collected and as long as the project hits its goal, forwarded to the planner.
I'm not going to neg you for your taste in movies, but Robocop is far from being in the realm of the worst movies ever made. The sequels were terrible but the first movie is actually good, and I'm not the only one to think so (88% on Rotten Tomatoes and 7.6 on IMDB).
I will feel much safer walking the D with the Robocop Statue around
This is nothing an ED-209 can't solve...
BTW, you have 20 seconds to comply....
I won't neg you becuase its an honest opinion, but I neg you in spirit. Quirky culutral tokens are pretty central to healthy communities, and how many geeks now will consider visiting the D to see a ridiculous statute, bring tourism money, and many consider a job when offered by the new battery industry?
Ask the people of Winslow, AZ about their statue of Jackson Browne standin on a corner.
You also have to name your first kid Murphy because that was Robocop's name
Grocery store yes......Robocop...........no , find the person that pitched this idea and......well, fire his ass.
The people who "pitched this idea" are private citizens proposing to build a statue on their own property. Kind of hard to fire them.
The person who pitched this is a blogger in Massachussets. This is people failing to realize that irony is only funny in the abstract - like "Jessie Ventura for mayor!" not in reality - like "Jessie Ventura is mayor :("
Massive fail on my part. Neg accordingly.
good thing you decided to comment before knowing anything about what's being talked about.
and anybody that thinks it's wasteful should to go to kickstarter.com and raise money for the good people in detroit. there's nothing stopping you from doing that.
Hey we're not Cali or NY. We take what we can in the D!
Why the hell not!
Here's to hoping New York gets their Cloverfield statue!
NY needs a Snake Plissken statue first
Donnie Brasco at the very least
Take the money and build the real Robocop. Genius.
Couple of ideas for who to use: Charlie Sheen, Ken Jennings or the porn actor who spits on people.
If only we could use that $50000 to pay for an extra teacher or two for Detroit Public Schools (They're about to go to 60 kids per classroom in some schools)
Seems like a slightly better use of funds now doesn't it...
Sorry -- trying to do anything meaningful in Detroit (i.e., anything other than cosmetic changes in the downtown area) will, in the near term, be like chucking snowballs into the center of the earth to raise the temperature.
An extra teacher would certainly not be unhelpful. But, the fundamental problems will still be there. What are those? A large city where the average socioeconomic level is abysmally low.
I'm of the opinion that it's far too late for conventional fixes. That reeks of naive, suburban thinking. Detroit's citizens are, in the aggregate, too far gone. They can't help themselves. (Take a second to think about that.) For just one of many examples, look at what the "leaders" of that dunghole (Kwame et al.) get away with, and look at how easy it is for them.
The Robocop statue is a joke, yes, but it's out-of-the-box thinking. (I dislike that expression, but it seems about right.) It brings generally positive (yes, seriously) thinking to the area.
Detroit will get better only when the average quality of its population improves. (That isn't a slam on the low end. Their position is a consequence of many factors.)
I'm not against building the statue. In fact, I agree with pretty much everything you said. Having a reasonable amount of quality teachers isn't going to fix the city by itself. My statement more had to do with how easy it seems to raise money for a joke (whether it's a helpful joke or not) when something like the education system is woefully poor.
I agree -- that definitely sucks.
then why dont you start that campaign and raise the money?
Here's a stupid yet serious question: What would be a better use of vacant land - erecting a statue or a whore house? The whore house would arguably drive the values of adjacent property down, moreso than a simple statue (no matter how silly said statute is). That said, I submit that a whore house would provide a much greater public service than a statue. Thoughts?
Can I pay to make love to the statue?
I bet you could do it for free.
In some places you'd think a whorehouse would improve property values.
Plus if it's legal and pays taxes, that pays for other public services, too.
Serious question, Robocop.
Enjoy the Board while voting does not have an effect on point totals. I see Bolivian in your future unless your substance of your quips improve . . .
Sounds like someone is a little low on customers.
for your sake, i wish those 15000 mgopoints were worth something because then id at least be tempted to take you seriously. but congrats anyway.......
because he made a mistake.
Now it's time to erase that mistake...
by the Axel Foley statue
I don't think these guys know what they're getting when it comes to the actual production of the statue.
We can take a relatively small figure of RoboCop (conceivably even an action figure), have it 3D scanned by lasers (cool!) and scale its form to create a light-weight model of any size we'd like, which can then be used to pour and cast liquid metal.
Really? You're going take a small 4" action figure, scan it and blow it up 7 feet tall. Someones been watching too much CSI.
It'll look something like this:
thinks this is a great idea.
"Stay out of trouble."
I keep telling the wife that Detroit needs a Robocop statute.
It's funny, but at the same time, all of that money could have been better utilized at Mott's.
That's an awful lot of applesauce. Or apple juice. But spending $50,000 on Mott's for Detroiters is probably a better idea than say giving it to C.S. Mott, which isn't in the city. However if you're looking for a good children's hospital to pimp while attempting to make a point might I suggest Children's Hospital of Michigan instead? Conveniently located Midtown and everything.
The Robocop statue is an idiotic idea. The city of Detroit is trying to alter the popular perception that it is, well, "New Detroit", and this is the last thing that it needs. A statue of Axel Foley makes more sense and "Beverly Hills Cop" really only has a tangential relationship to the city.
A statue of Torgo from "Manos: The Hands Of Fate"? Doesn't matter where we put it. It will only make sense to the MST3K diehards.
Detroit needs to legalize gambling. It's the only obvious generator of the requisite cash.
That will pack the casinos that they already have downtown.
All arguments against the statue based on tackiness are summarily rejected by the court on the grounds that we already have a big fist sculpture** and nothing that wouldn't raise the hackles of the churches can out-tacky a twenty-foot fist. As long as the statue isn't immediately graffitied on (this city is its own worst enemy in this regard) I see no problems.
**Which just yesterday my dad opined wasn't clenched hard enough. Given the amusement with which out-of-towners view the fist (as an ironic commentary on the city) it would take a local to complain that the giant fist statue isn't clenched hard enough.
For the record, I like the fist statue. It's my ambition to take a picture one day fist-bumping the fist using the magic of perspective.
The Joe Louis fist statue rules.
The Robocop statue will be tacky and embarrassing.
Into the American Hong Kong. They were the largest major city to go for LBJ's programs, which failed. Do the opposite. It probably couldn't be worse, right?