...is that if you do a lot of illicit drugs, you could die.
It always sucks when someone dies, but I have little sympathy for cases like this.
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...is that if you do a lot of illicit drugs, you could die.
It always sucks when someone dies, but I have little sympathy for cases like this.
I don't think anyone is asking for your sympathy.
So you have zero compassion for anyone whose flaws result in accidental death?
You're an asshole.
For his friends and family who have to go through the pain of losing someone so close to them.
For him, being selfish and subjecting himself to such a risky act that often ends in death, not so much.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you've never dealt with drug addiction.
I feel the exact same way, and yes I have dealt with drug addiction, from multiple angles.
Well unless either of you have ever been addicted to heroin, which I seriously doubt, I'm not sure you're qualified to speak on the matter, and you're sure as hell not qualified to call someone who just died of a heroin overdose "selfish."
No I have never been addicted to heroin, although I did have a good friend die from OD on it. I loved her but what she did was selfish and weak. If drugs have taken control it's time to quit, and if you can't quit you need to seek help.
I am sorry about your friend, and because I don't want to bog things down here, I'll just make the final comment that I really don't think people with heroin addiction are capable of saying "welp, it's time to quit" merely because their lives are falling apart. There is a reason that this drug destroys many people, and unless you have felt the physical power of that addiction before (which admittedly I have not), I don't think it's fair to call someone selfish or weak. Hoffman did seek and receive help multiple times for heroin abuse. Unsurprisingly, it just didn't work.
so ironic about what you are saying is that drug addicts are often the most SELFLESS people, and the reason they do what they do is because they always put other people ahead of themselves. You can call it codependence if you want and it may be, but it does not mean that they don't care, and most often, they care way more than the people they leave behind. Look at your statement, your opinion of people suffering from addiction is why most of them don't seek help.
I think at some point you were given an inaccurate definition of "weak." And I think it may be time to re-evaluate your friend's death. I feel bad that you know somebody who was a victim of addiction but if you think addiction = weakness you truly, truly, do not understand it.
Well I do think addiction is in large part a weakness. You can call me wrong but this view has, in my opinion, been the reason why I have never became addicted to drugs even though I very easily could have.
has as much to do with weakness as Autism for god sake. Addicts process information in different ways than you or me. You did not become an addict before because you are not one. You are not an addict because you were not cursed with it. If you did not get cancer would you take credit for your mental fortitude? You cannot see yourself as an addict because your brain works correctly. I don't know you so I don't want to get personal, but your views on what addiction is about is seriously at about a 12 year old level. I know two addicts on a very personal level and they are two of the strongest, most emotionally available people I have ever met. And the last word I would use to describe them would be weak.
Phillip Seymour Hoffman was found dead, alone, with a needle is his arm. In his arm. Does you think that sounds like a person that had it all together? Does that sound like a person that was having a little too much fun? Partying a little too much? Addiction is a sinister disease. In some cases, involuntary suicide. The self-loathing that it takes to acknowledge this as weakness is truly something to behold.
You can call me naive, but I think he didn't become an addict because he was smart enough not to stick a needle in his arm. I'm not addicted to coke, crack, meth or heroin because I was smart enough to not do them in the first place and know full well they are addictive. I'm sorry that your friends are addicts, but if they decided not to try it in the first place then they would not be addicts now.
That's interesting. I don't see any posts from Crazy Canuck until now. Who exactly called you naive?
It's figure of speach. As you can call me naive for my view I'm stating.
Oh. Gotcha. Well then let's just make it official. You're naive.
People are not wired the same way or entered into the same circumstances that other people are. I have three older siblings. Two out of the three of them were able to dabble in drugs in college. The other wasn't. He's the nicest dude in the world, now extremely successful, but because he had psychological issues, what goes from being a normal college student who experiments turns into an issue for him and those around him. It's not his fault that he was put in the situation where he did a drug for the first time and became dependent on it. It was his wiring. He got a shitty hand. It happens with so many people. Im happy it didn't happen to you. That said, you don't know what you are talking about, and you are an asshole.
You make it sound like your born an addict. Studies show that you can inherit addictive traits and if thats true I likely have them since my own mother has been in and out of jail and rehab. My mom isn't a weak person but her not being able to fully overcome addiction is absolutley a weakness on her part.
If I wasn't born an addict I might as well start doing coke on a daily basis, becuase as you say I wasn't born an addict. You logic is clearly flawed. The reason i'm not addicted to coke is im strong enough to do it a handful of times in my entire life and never feel dependent upon it. I absolutley view that as a strength of mine. I have weaknesses as well but addiction is not one of them.
Your rebuttal still doesn't show any flaw in his logic because I don't think he's suggesting that genetic predisposition is the only way to become an addict. And if there is one thing that is almost certainly not a product of mental "strength," it's the ability to fend off addiction. Mice with naturally high levels of FosB will literally starve themselves in favor of cocaine if given the choice, and the degree of heritability of cocaine addiction is right around 50 percent, which exceeds that of diabetes, hypertension, and breast cancer. But perhaps you won't get diabetes because you're really mentally strong.
To become physically addicted to something you need to do it enough where your body needs it. But most people are mentally addicted well before the body needs it. They became addcited becuase at some point they were to weak to say no, whether it be to others or themselves.
So you're not an addict because you're stronger than addicts? You seem like the perfect person to give your opinion regarding addiction.
I believe that says it all about your perspective--human frailities are merely weakness. And Hoffman had sought treatment on multiple occasions--most recently this past Summer. It's kinda why they call them addictions.
My son became addicted to heroin and it has been a living hell for they entire family. Nobody knows what the addicted person goes through except for them. My son is now serving a prison sentence for stealing to support his habit. I truely believe that if he had not gotten arrested and put in prison, he would be dead from an overdose by now. I strongly suggest unless you have been part of a situation that involved heroin addiction, you refrain from posting any idiotic comments
And I'm glad he is getting help with his addiction. But to say that I cannot have an opinion on a matter because I have never experienced it is just plain asinine. We should just shut down this blog because no one here has played Michigan football.
But, while I, myself, have never been addicted to (or even tried) heroin. I did live with an uncle who was addicted to crack. I saw first hand how it tore apart the family. The lying and cheating to feed the habit without any regard for the innocent lives he ruined. He got treatment and is doing better. He doesn't ask for sympathy and asks that any type of sympathy be channeled to the true victims of his actions...his wife and son (who still won't speak to his dad). He'll be the first to tell you that what he did was selfish. Part of his therapy is to realize that and take accountability.
I'm sorry if my original comment was offensive, but I base my thoughts and feelings on this topic on my experience with living along side a crack addict.
First of all, your analogy is false. When people comment on football here, they aren't commenting on what it's like to play in the game. They are commenting on aspects of the game that are capable of being understood by an observer, such as formations, playcalls, rules, etc.
Second, your personal anecdote about your uncle successfully getting help after being addicted to an entirely different class of drug still doesn't make you qualified to judge heroin addicts or speak about the reasons for its abuse.
People on this blog make strong judgements on play calling and coaching decisions all the time, while never actually coaching at Michigan (let alone coaching at all) to fully understand it. It's perfectly fine.
And you probably shouldn't be comparing and contrasting the addictions between different classes of drugs since...you know...you have never been addicted to either. Being addicted to crack or heroin doesn't matter in this case.
A lot of red herrings in your post.
Nope, your analogy still sucks. People are very capable of understanding strategy in the game of football without actually being a coach or playcaller because football lends itself well to objective criticism regardless of personal experience. The same is not even remotely true of drug addiction.
And you're right - I haven't been addicted to either drug, which is why I'm not sitting here judging people. Consider it a free lesson.
We are not talking about the game of football. We talking about the game of football...at Michigan. My analogy is spot on.
Your lessons suck brah
Lol what? How is my point at all refuted by the fact that the football analysis is of Michigan and not some other team?
Enjoy your fat burger and nachos while watching the super bowl today. If you die of an heart attack, I will have sympathy for both you and your family. The legality of your actions doesn't change my sympathy.
Someone who abuses their body with food isn't much better. I know you think your example will illutrate a point however all you did is provide another example of someone not being strong enough to treat their body with respect.
I wish everyone could have your life. You've got it figured out. It's so simple. How could anyone be so foolish to dare do drugs?
Just be not a dick and know that not all people in the world are you.
I agree with you for the most part, but accidental death... No. Sure it wasn't intentional, but the inherit risk of doing drugs precludes this from being accidental in my opinion.
Would you call a fatal car crash an accidental death?
Well it depends, was the car driving dangerously?
Double post. So would this be considered accidental since I was using less than reliable cell phone thethering?
Totally impressed. Being able to avoid compassion over the loss of a great actor, to his friends, family, etc. really earns you points in heaven.
We guess you told him.
And bone marrow to a dying kid in Germany. I'm playing with house heaven money.
If I find someone in need of an asshole, now I know where they can find one.
You are a fucking asshole. I wish you the worst. I hope you have to ride the green line and it gets shut down at any stop west of Ashland. But I hope you end up ok. And then eventually end up in old town so I can kick your ass.
Congratulations, WCB: you just won the Ignorant Asshole Award!
Sounds like a pretty schweet award
I'm guessing you have trouble retaining friends.
Have plenty of friends.
Really tragic when someone kills themselves by overdosing on drugs. It is tragic when an 8 year old dies trying to save his paralyzed grandfather from a fire, or when a crazy mom kills her two young daughters because her fiancé left her. A middle aged actor shoots too much heroin (or whatever it was), not so much.
Sad, yes. Tragic, no. That was the gist.
I don't think you know what tragic actually means then. In the way it is often misused these days, then sure, this being tragic is purely subjective.. But based on the true definition of tragedy, his death is most certainly tragic regardless of your personal feelings.
Section 1, thank you for clarifying.
Don't you think?
Every single day millions of things happen to people that you could consider 'tragic' by textbook definition. Dad loses his job and can't support his family, murders, rapes, etc. I suppose my point is that, to me, this ranks very low on the list.
Get over the Indiana game. You don't know his history or his story. None of us do. All I do know about him is that he was one hell of an actor and I am going to miss watching him. Does it make you feel cool or tough to dismiss somebody's death. What a jackass response.
Is this any more tragic than the 100s or 1,000s of other people who are going to die of drug overdoses today? What frustrates me is that we act like somehow it is more important or more tragic because it happens to someone famous. To me, it isn't.
Is not anymore tragic, I just don't know who the other people are. Let me ask you this, is this any less tragic because I know who he is?
It may be less tragic than those deaths in the sense that Hoffman was not a victim of circumstances completely beyond his control, but death by drug addiction is still a pretty sad thing.
Whats tragic is your attitude.
Quite a zinger there
The central element of many literary tragedies is a great character with a fatal flaw that ultimately leads to disaster. Isn't that sort of what happened here? Just because he caused his own death does not remove the tragic aspect. Perhaps what made him so able to portray characters as disparate as Capote, Art Howe, Gust Avrokados in "Charlie Wilson's War," or even Dusty in "Twister" is part of the same sense of experimentation and exploration that led him to try heroin. Just as Chris Farley's over-the-top stage persona, which made him a massive success, led to over-the-top eating, partying, and drugs that killed him, this is the very definition of a tragedy.
Damn good in 25th hour too. Easily his most underrated role.
25th Hour is one of my favorite movies, along with Magnolia. Can't decide which one was his best performance.
Addiction itself is tragic.
Mark Dantonio thinks PSH is a tragic hero.
Tragic, yes, but that often happens to people who shoot heroin.
It's a big loss to cinema, though. Anybody who can play Truman Capote and Art Howe equally convincingly has got some serious range. I have enjoyed him in everything I've seen of him as an actor.
I met him in Detroit a few years ago when he was in town shooting a film. He was at a table at Slows and people left him alone with his guest. On his way out though we had to say hello and he shook our hands and stayed to chat. Very nice guy.
Instances of drug related death from prominent members of the entertainment industry remind me that regardless of circumstance, life presents us all with challenges. It's how we react to and deal with our challenges that ultimately decide our level of happiness.
Prayers to his friends and family. The world has lost a great creative mind today.
Any word on what this means for the next Hunger Games movie? I know they were in the middle of filming it.
that Mockingjay 1 is done with shooting. I may be wrong but I think it wrapped. Heavensby's character is disposable by the very end I think. My guess is that they either write him out or go with an "Aunt Viv" situation, but I am guessing the former.
One of the articles I read mentioned it was in post production
I, eerily, was thinking about the whole concept of franchise movie titles and the inherent risk you run of an actor passing in the middle of the series of movies. Very creepy this occured just a few days after I was thinking about it.
It angers me. It angers me because PSH was such a great, great actor and I'm selfishly upset I won't see the mastery of his craft again (for the first time, obvs).
It angers me because it was of his own doing, addiction or not. I don't know if there's a higher percentage of addicts in hollywood than in real life - there may not be. But it seems like these pre-mature deaths (Cory Monteith, Paul Walker- not an overdose, so different, others) are so, so preventable that it is just a kick in the balls and it pisses me off. I don't think their deaths should be mourned anymore than those that occur everyday, but at what point do people in Hollywood decide to use their resources (money) for good instead of shooting it into their arms?
it happens at a higher rate with people with very artistic minds. Actors can play so many different roles because they can truly relate with so many different kinds of people. They are able to "put themselves in other people's" place, in the literal sense of the word, to a fault. I don't think that gets turned off in their own lives. Honestly, some people just think too much and they can't turn it off.
....Hollywood (and most of corporate American entertainment for that matter) is ruled by a satanic occult elite. Given the symbolism involved (Super Bowl Sunday, 2nd day of the 2nd month), it's quite possible that his death was not an accident at all but actually another one of there ritual sacrifices.
Of course, whatever the circumstances, it's still sad news.
Tragic Hero? DANTONIO'D.
He had nearly two decades (if not longer) of sobriety going at one point, and then this.
Basically, heroin is relentlessly evil.
I had HS classmates who killed themselves with heroin in 1971, and forty years later there are still wealthy people who seem to think that it won't happen to them. It's no different from playing Russian roulette.
I just think about Jerry Garcia, holed up in his house for what could have been his most productive and creatively satisfying years, smoking Persian heroin for days on end and shutting out everything and everyone in his life. For years.
It's not a matter of intelligence, wealth, ability, talent, etc. It can happen to anyone. And that's what makes the kind of callous shit you see from people when someone finally ODs so infuriating.
That movie also introduced me to the term shart. Thank you Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Mr. Lebowski is in seclusion in the west wing. Her life is in your hands, dude
Neil Young was spot on. Sad news for those of us who see the world in more than black and white.
This was the spot where I failed to embed the Neil song, Needle and the Damage Done. But when I heard the news, that song was the first thing to come to mind.
Once you're gone, you can't come back.
yet...Ted Williams and Walt Disney will be coming back someday...Ted WIlliams in one of those futurama head tanks though
...are sad. As for tragic I'll leave to others. But what an actor! I'll remember him for some of his smaller roles in movies like Punch Drunk Love, State and Main, Charlie Wilsons War and Almost Famous. He could command the screen. Small role or large.
Possibly my favorite PSM role. The roles he played in Twister and Boogie Nights were also smaller roles but incredibly well acted. Brilliant actor.
slime ball frat guy.
Alright I know he died and he has family and prayers go to them, but no name people die every day from much more tragic causes. Just because he's famous does not mean it should be such a big deal. He overdosed like so many actors do.
What did you hope to accomplish with this?
Because he is famous makes it a big deal to those who liked his stuff. Also, how many actors OD'ing is many?
Fellow actors shared their thoughts via Twitter. Hoffman really was a great actor - "Capote", "State And Main", "Charlie Wilson's War", "Magnolia", "Patch Adams" and many other films, but also a very thoughtful and brilliant performance as Willy Loman on Broadway (which I was fortunate enough to get a chance to fly to NYC and see on a whim in 2012). Very sad news. He will be missed indeed.
Arguments over semantics derailing an otherwise informative thread. Classic MGoBlog.
A man died. Yes, tragically. Yes by his own (alleged) actions. Still tragic. Try empathy.
Why this topic is 1) worthy of a post on a sports board and 2) worthy of mockery from supposed UM grads/fans is beyond me.
I've done/tried just about every drug you can think of at one point of my life or another. A majority of which came during my college years, but the fact that I'm still living is probably a miracle considering the assinine amounts of drugs I mixed. I have an addictive personality BUT I also possess extreme willpower. I can quit anything cold turkey and never look back. If I didn't have that quirk/trait, I have no doubt I would be dead or in jail. I've watched people I partied with back in the day spiral down to rock bottom and never recover. Some are still addicts, some are dead, and others are in jail.
Addiction can happen to anyone. I think its probably easier for celebrities to get caught up in addiction because they typically don't have the money problems that typically plague addicts, and ultimately, we hear tragic news like this today because they can afford buttloads of drugs. Normal addicts usually get busted/put in jail for petty/grand larceny to fuel their addiction - thus the cycle of addict, theft, jail, rehab, relapse, addict, theft, jail, .....
RIP Mr Hoffman....
Some people don't understand that addiction to something such as heroin is a life long battle once that door is opened. Even a recovering addict of multiple years is always a few bad decisions away from a relapse. It's not something the general public understands, and I guess one can't expect them to unless they see it or experience it firsthand. Condolences to his family.
To ignore all the other stuff I'll just be sad that he won't be in any more movies. Dude could act.
Sad to see such a talented person slain by his personal demons. RIP
awful news. he was always fantastic an done of the few actors i would watch a movie just because he was in it.
i saw on bill maher, maybe, some researcher argue that heroin is safer than depicted by the media. it was shocking (he may have been arguing that pure drug was safer). i cant believe people can make such awful decisions. but life is dark sometimes. and often times its best to keep your judgements to yourself.
and if you want to have nightmares for the next week, image search krokodil. a cheap, alternative that makes heroin users look rational.
I actually met him once. And I'll always remember the way he introduced himself. He comes up to each and everyone of the crew and says "Hi, I'm Phil!" and shook our hands.
But in my head I was thinking, "No you're not! You're not 'Phil'! You're 'Phillip Seymour Hoffman'"
Boggie nights was one of my favorite movies. Damn shame. Great actor.
Drugs are bad
Don't do them.
I got an idea. How about not ever trying heroin! I don't feel sorry about anyone overdosing on heroin because your an idiot for ever trying it. So don't feel bad for dumb ass choses in life. Good actor yes, bad decision maker, absolutely!
This kind if makes you sound like an insensitive ass hole.
If you're going to call other people dumb you should work on your grammar. It kind of shows who the dumb one really is.
So anyone who makes a mistake deserves to die? Man, the war on drugs makes some people sound like sociopaths.
Obviously a tough loss for his family and those who love movies. Sometimes even when you think you've beaten back your demons, they find ways to rear their ugly heads. Another cautionary tale about the negative effects of pretty intense drug usage.
As a person that has watched way too many movies in his time, PSH was a special actor. The role he played in Capote is one of the best acting performances of all-time. But he was great in pretty much every role he played, and proved that a somewhat normal looking guy could be great and be very well respected despite his looks in Hollywood.
I truly believe that PHS is one of the best actors of all-time and certainly of this generation. It's a damn shame that millions of people won't be able to witness him in the many more roles he could have played, both on screen and on stage.
My goodness...what a great actor he was.
I'll join the ranks of those who considered Philip Seymour Hoffman to be one of our greatest actors of recent years. He was incredibly talented and versatile.
Among Philip Seymour Hoffman's underappreciated roles is his performance as "The Count" in The Boat That Rocked (a/k/a Pirate Radio), especially for those of us who are fans of the music of The British Invasion of the 1960s. Here's a classic scene from that film. (MGoBlog censors be warned. The "F word" gets used a few times.) The last song he plays in this scene takes on an eeriness with the news of his death.
He was an incredibly versatile actor, one of my favorites. RIP.