Really tragic when someone kills themselves by overdosing on drugs. It is tragic when an 8 year old dies trying to save his paralyzed grandfather from a fire, or when a crazy mom kills her two young daughters because her fiancé left her. A middle aged actor shoots too much heroin (or whatever it was), not so much.
OT- RIP Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Sad, yes. Tragic, no. That was the gist.
I don't think you know what tragic actually means then. In the way it is often misused these days, then sure, this being tragic is purely subjective.. But based on the true definition of tragedy, his death is most certainly tragic regardless of your personal feelings.
Section 1, thank you for clarifying.
Don't you think?
Every single day millions of things happen to people that you could consider 'tragic' by textbook definition. Dad loses his job and can't support his family, murders, rapes, etc. I suppose my point is that, to me, this ranks very low on the list.
Get over the Indiana game. You don't know his history or his story. None of us do. All I do know about him is that he was one hell of an actor and I am going to miss watching him. Does it make you feel cool or tough to dismiss somebody's death. What a jackass response.
Is this any more tragic than the 100s or 1,000s of other people who are going to die of drug overdoses today? What frustrates me is that we act like somehow it is more important or more tragic because it happens to someone famous. To me, it isn't.
Is not anymore tragic, I just don't know who the other people are. Let me ask you this, is this any less tragic because I know who he is?
It may be less tragic than those deaths in the sense that Hoffman was not a victim of circumstances completely beyond his control, but death by drug addiction is still a pretty sad thing.
Whats tragic is your attitude.
Quite a zinger there
The central element of many literary tragedies is a great character with a fatal flaw that ultimately leads to disaster. Isn't that sort of what happened here? Just because he caused his own death does not remove the tragic aspect. Perhaps what made him so able to portray characters as disparate as Capote, Art Howe, Gust Avrokados in "Charlie Wilson's War," or even Dusty in "Twister" is part of the same sense of experimentation and exploration that led him to try heroin. Just as Chris Farley's over-the-top stage persona, which made him a massive success, led to over-the-top eating, partying, and drugs that killed him, this is the very definition of a tragedy.
Damn good in 25th hour too. Easily his most underrated role.
25th Hour is one of my favorite movies, along with Magnolia. Can't decide which one was his best performance.
Addiction itself is tragic.
Mark Dantonio thinks PSH is a tragic hero.
Tragic, yes, but that often happens to people who shoot heroin.
It's a big loss to cinema, though. Anybody who can play Truman Capote and Art Howe equally convincingly has got some serious range. I have enjoyed him in everything I've seen of him as an actor.
I met him in Detroit a few years ago when he was in town shooting a film. He was at a table at Slows and people left him alone with his guest. On his way out though we had to say hello and he shook our hands and stayed to chat. Very nice guy.
Instances of drug related death from prominent members of the entertainment industry remind me that regardless of circumstance, life presents us all with challenges. It's how we react to and deal with our challenges that ultimately decide our level of happiness.
Prayers to his friends and family. The world has lost a great creative mind today.
Any word on what this means for the next Hunger Games movie? I know they were in the middle of filming it.
that Mockingjay 1 is done with shooting. I may be wrong but I think it wrapped. Heavensby's character is disposable by the very end I think. My guess is that they either write him out or go with an "Aunt Viv" situation, but I am guessing the former.
One of the articles I read mentioned it was in post production
I, eerily, was thinking about the whole concept of franchise movie titles and the inherent risk you run of an actor passing in the middle of the series of movies. Very creepy this occured just a few days after I was thinking about it.
It angers me. It angers me because PSH was such a great, great actor and I'm selfishly upset I won't see the mastery of his craft again (for the first time, obvs).
It angers me because it was of his own doing, addiction or not. I don't know if there's a higher percentage of addicts in hollywood than in real life - there may not be. But it seems like these pre-mature deaths (Cory Monteith, Paul Walker- not an overdose, so different, others) are so, so preventable that it is just a kick in the balls and it pisses me off. I don't think their deaths should be mourned anymore than those that occur everyday, but at what point do people in Hollywood decide to use their resources (money) for good instead of shooting it into their arms?
it happens at a higher rate with people with very artistic minds. Actors can play so many different roles because they can truly relate with so many different kinds of people. They are able to "put themselves in other people's" place, in the literal sense of the word, to a fault. I don't think that gets turned off in their own lives. Honestly, some people just think too much and they can't turn it off.
....Hollywood (and most of corporate American entertainment for that matter) is ruled by a satanic occult elite. Given the symbolism involved (Super Bowl Sunday, 2nd day of the 2nd month), it's quite possible that his death was not an accident at all but actually another one of there ritual sacrifices.
Of course, whatever the circumstances, it's still sad news.
Tragic Hero? DANTONIO'D.
He had nearly two decades (if not longer) of sobriety going at one point, and then this.
Basically, heroin is relentlessly evil.
I had HS classmates who killed themselves with heroin in 1971, and forty years later there are still wealthy people who seem to think that it won't happen to them. It's no different from playing Russian roulette.
I just think about Jerry Garcia, holed up in his house for what could have been his most productive and creatively satisfying years, smoking Persian heroin for days on end and shutting out everything and everyone in his life. For years.
It's not a matter of intelligence, wealth, ability, talent, etc. It can happen to anyone. And that's what makes the kind of callous shit you see from people when someone finally ODs so infuriating.
That movie also introduced me to the term shart. Thank you Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Mr. Lebowski is in seclusion in the west wing. Her life is in your hands, dude
Neil Young was spot on. Sad news for those of us who see the world in more than black and white.
This was the spot where I failed to embed the Neil song, Needle and the Damage Done. But when I heard the news, that song was the first thing to come to mind.
Once you're gone, you can't come back.
yet...Ted Williams and Walt Disney will be coming back someday...Ted WIlliams in one of those futurama head tanks though
...are sad. As for tragic I'll leave to others. But what an actor! I'll remember him for some of his smaller roles in movies like Punch Drunk Love, State and Main, Charlie Wilsons War and Almost Famous. He could command the screen. Small role or large.
Possibly my favorite PSM role. The roles he played in Twister and Boogie Nights were also smaller roles but incredibly well acted. Brilliant actor.
slime ball frat guy.
Alright I know he died and he has family and prayers go to them, but no name people die every day from much more tragic causes. Just because he's famous does not mean it should be such a big deal. He overdosed like so many actors do.
What did you hope to accomplish with this?
Because he is famous makes it a big deal to those who liked his stuff. Also, how many actors OD'ing is many?
Fellow actors shared their thoughts via Twitter. Hoffman really was a great actor - "Capote", "State And Main", "Charlie Wilson's War", "Magnolia", "Patch Adams" and many other films, but also a very thoughtful and brilliant performance as Willy Loman on Broadway (which I was fortunate enough to get a chance to fly to NYC and see on a whim in 2012). Very sad news. He will be missed indeed.
Arguments over semantics derailing an otherwise informative thread. Classic MGoBlog.
A man died. Yes, tragically. Yes by his own (alleged) actions. Still tragic. Try empathy.
Why this topic is 1) worthy of a post on a sports board and 2) worthy of mockery from supposed UM grads/fans is beyond me.
I've done/tried just about every drug you can think of at one point of my life or another. A majority of which came during my college years, but the fact that I'm still living is probably a miracle considering the assinine amounts of drugs I mixed. I have an addictive personality BUT I also possess extreme willpower. I can quit anything cold turkey and never look back. If I didn't have that quirk/trait, I have no doubt I would be dead or in jail. I've watched people I partied with back in the day spiral down to rock bottom and never recover. Some are still addicts, some are dead, and others are in jail.
Addiction can happen to anyone. I think its probably easier for celebrities to get caught up in addiction because they typically don't have the money problems that typically plague addicts, and ultimately, we hear tragic news like this today because they can afford buttloads of drugs. Normal addicts usually get busted/put in jail for petty/grand larceny to fuel their addiction - thus the cycle of addict, theft, jail, rehab, relapse, addict, theft, jail, .....
RIP Mr Hoffman....
Some people don't understand that addiction to something such as heroin is a life long battle once that door is opened. Even a recovering addict of multiple years is always a few bad decisions away from a relapse. It's not something the general public understands, and I guess one can't expect them to unless they see it or experience it firsthand. Condolences to his family.
To ignore all the other stuff I'll just be sad that he won't be in any more movies. Dude could act.
Sad to see such a talented person slain by his personal demons. RIP
awful news. he was always fantastic an done of the few actors i would watch a movie just because he was in it.
i saw on bill maher, maybe, some researcher argue that heroin is safer than depicted by the media. it was shocking (he may have been arguing that pure drug was safer). i cant believe people can make such awful decisions. but life is dark sometimes. and often times its best to keep your judgements to yourself.
and if you want to have nightmares for the next week, image search krokodil. a cheap, alternative that makes heroin users look rational.
I actually met him once. And I'll always remember the way he introduced himself. He comes up to each and everyone of the crew and says "Hi, I'm Phil!" and shook our hands.
But in my head I was thinking, "No you're not! You're not 'Phil'! You're 'Phillip Seymour Hoffman'"
Boggie nights was one of my favorite movies. Damn shame. Great actor.