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OT- Ridiculous dress code in Oklahoma
This is exactly why us Texans call OK our toothless neighbors from the north.
Damn Land Thieves
I think maybe the Anti-Gang Task Force is confused about what a gang is
Some of the most vicious people I know are five years old.
You're not down with UofM homes? All you need to do is take a beating for 13 seconds and you're in ESE!
You're GD right he should have to turn that inside out. The capacity has been 109,000+ since 2010.
Thought the same thing when I saw the pic of the shirt! Parents these days!! Lol
I wonder if they're allowed to wear any professional sports gear that's nota Thunder product. Actually, they should really "support their state" and only allow clothes and food made in Oklahoma.
the teacher did not know the 5 year old's T-shirt was reversible and said, "Sooners Blow" when it was inside out.
OK, I can see the other side here. Seriously.
They have gang problems. They have a dress code intended to prevent gangs from subtly identifying themselves. You ban gang logos and gang colors... so maybe a gang could decide, hmm, we'll identify ourselves by ALL of us wearing the school colors of St. Mary's LIttle Sisters of the Poor (I think they are on Boise State's and TCU's schedule this year, btw). So to prevent that, the school district is going to ban all separately-identifiable garb that a gang might use to set themselves apart.
Of course, there really is only one logical solution here. The school needs to implement uniforms, and end any potential ambiguities. As long as you DONT have a dress code but DO ban a variety of clothing, you're going to get nonsensical and arbitrary results. Either you choose to live with that ("no Michigan shirt for a 5 year old"), or, you just go all the way to a full-up uniform.
My kids go to catholic school, and you have NO idea how GREAT it is to have uniforms. No choices to make. No kids looking better (or richer or cooler) than others; no kids feeling less cool or poorer. It's actally cheaper, too -- you don't need the variability of a large wardrobe. So takes all the stress (for kids and parents) out of wardrobe, reduces prices, and eliminates all of the problems the school is facing.
to use Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, the Oklahoma directional schools and whatnot, to show gang affiliation, though? It would make a bit more sense if they banned all college gear, just out of state stuff probably doesn't solve anything.
...it wouldn't be easy for gangsters to limit themselves to Oklahoma schools because there would be a lot of non-gangsters wearing those shirts in Oklahoma anyways. Way too much collateral damage in a shoot-out.
Kind of like when that student organization (I think it was an LGBT group) used to have a "jeans day", it was like, WTF? damn near everybody was wearing jeans on campus anyways.
5 year olds dude. 5 year olds.
but don't gangs effectively put a monopoly on pro-sports wear in some areas? I was under the impression that in the right (wrong) neighborhood in Chicago, Blackhawks, Bulls or Sox gear could all mean different affiliations and the general public pretty much stops wearing any of that gear.
Growing up I hated the (total joke of a) gang in my high school, because they called themselves the Raider posse and made it possible for me to wear my favorite teams gear. Shame that it works that way.
Honestly I get the policy, but still think Brian's "someone has a stick up their ass about Texas" theory is more likely.
It's actally cheaper, too -- you don't need the variability of a large wardrobe.
This becomes less true when they reach high school age (especially girls).
except the "No uniform days" where it becomes obvious who the haves and have nots are, trust me I still remain scarred from 6th grade :)
"eliminates all of the problems the school is facing."
All of them? Bit of a stretch there, guy.
We are a gang, a gang who happens to the world's largest alumni base, a higher academic ranking, more money than OSU can ever hope to suckle off the teat of T. Boone Pickens, and centered in the smartest city in America by degree achievement.
Maybe the school system should go focus on the fact their school system is poorly ranked (C rating) and stop trying to punish the kid who has goals beyond cooking in a meth in a trailer outside of Tulsa.
Just a fact!
" Oklahoma City Public Schools only allow in-state college apparel to be worn." - from the article
Here it is actually, in their own handbook:
Page 21, item #6 under the section explaining prohibited items: "Clothing bearing the names or emblems of all professional and collegiate athletic teams (with the exception of Oklahoma colleges and universities)
I would say that this is a pretty ridiculous rule to have in a public school system regardless, and especially in one which probably has a fair number of transplants like Oklahoma City. That being said, many of the 26 major line items in this part of the code are pretty understandable (and probably related to the findings of the Task Force, I imagine). I have to wonder what would make the Anti-Gang Task Force simply not exclude all manner of identifying gear like this, rather than simply out-of-state items (or indeed, leave this rule intact, if it has been long-standing).
Never had any issues with wearing Michigan gear. This incident is probably tied to a teacher who takes his/her job a little to seriously. I doubt 99% of the teachers would care about what school gear you have on.
I graduated from Broken Arrow in 2000. Never had any issues either. Funny thing though in 97, there used to be gangs and one of them wore Michigan gear as their colors. My brother was in said gang, still make fun of him all of the time.
There are a buttload of gangs in Idaho.
I simply attribute this to one thing:
HATERS gonna hate!
Funny like a clown?
Does it amuse you?
This is communist like shit. Honestly. This could be some kind of NCAA violation with kids who go to OU and Ok St because they are funneling them to those schools by not allowing kids to wear the shirts of the schools they like.
Hmm. I think there is a difference between plain blue and white UNIFORMS and not allowing kids to wear apparel of any other college than the two Big 12 schools in the state.
Maybe I'm wrong though.
It is total crap, buttercup.
I used to rock a Clemson t-shirt that I absolutely loved and had no intention of going to Clemson. I went through a random college t-shirt phase in high school even though I was always a firm UM verbal commit. But I must say that I never had a Vermont Catamounts shirt...VERY JEALOUS.
I love how some people on that post are defending the Dress Code. Yes kudo's to you for "standing up" to gang violence outlawing anything non O.K. Because we all know the bangers are the only ones who love Miami ... right Nevin?
Great hidden agenda guys. Way to inspire and nurture young minds and teach them that it's OK to be who they want to be and no one can tell them otherwise.
They know Denard is the kingpin of the Michigan gang...... they are on to us!
Psssh. This kid is more than likely a top ranking official with the Maniac Latin Disciples. Kudos to the teacher for keeping this little scumbag in line.
Also, here are some helpful pointers in spotting these miscreants -
- Shaved, bald head or extremely short hair
- White oversized T-shirt creased in the middle
- White athletic type undershirt
- Polo type knit shirts (oversized) and usually worn buttoned to the top and not tucked in
- Oversized Dickie, Ben Davis or Solos pants
- Pants worn low, or "sagging" and cuffed inside at the bottom or dragging on the ground
- Baseball caps worn backwards (usually black and sometimes with the initials of the gang)
- Cut off under-the-knee, short pants worn with knee-high socks
- A predominance of dark or dull clothing, or clothing of one particular color
- Black oversized jackets, sweatshirts, jerseys, etc.
- Black stretch belt with chrome or silver gang initial belt buckle
- Oversized shirts
- Clothing a mixture of gang colors, black and silver or white
I have to go change.
Predominance of dark dull clothing? I'm in a gang and didn't know it!
There are bans against apparel with athletic logos on it in a lot of school districts. This is because a lot of gangs do adopt sports logos to represent themselves. This is not a misguided rule or overbearing rule, or even an outdated rule. It's a rule that's based on a truth being applied to the entire school district regardless on if it actually applies to the situation. I'm okay with that.
This is a joke right. This has nothing to with Michigan. The cities with the biggest gang population are cities scattered across California and Chicago. There is a bigger gang population in Wisconsin than there is in Michigan.
However several gangs use Michigan gear saying the M stands for murder. There are Latin Gangs that use Nebraska because of the colors and because the N stands for their name. Arizona State is actually trying to sue to stop a rather prominent gang who likes to use their logo because of the pitch forks.
There are gangs that have adopted the Boston Celtics, the LA and Sacramento Kings, the Tigers, Chicago Bulls, the Lions, the Blue Devils, and North Carolina and those are just the ones I can of off the top of my head.
This is not a black white issue or a Michigan issue, it's just an issue.
It's not specifically a ban on Michigan apparel. It's a ban on any non-Oklahoma/OK State apparel.
The Michigan mafia that terry foster is always blabbing about? Lol
will bust a cap in your ass if you don't watch it.
seriously, what the fuck.
...if the 5-year old was a true Michigan Man then he wouldn't be caught dead attired in anything less than blue sport coat and maize ascot.
Kidding about escaping from states that begin with the letter O.
Class of 2025 represent!
we went through a bad patch there in the second decade of the century. Now everybody's harmonizin' again.
I am not sure if the Administrator has specific training or knowledge of gang related code or not, but MS-13 members used to wear Michigan gear as an affiliation marker. I know many choose to only associate gangs with LA scences, but many of the well know publicised gangs in the US have pockets of "influencial" members all over the country. [edit: mentioned above by blacknblue] I taught outside of DC for a number of years, and they quietly warned us about (yes, what UofM jerseys and gear may mean) these issues in certain schools with known elements of gang related activity. It might not be what we want to hear, nor have UofM associated with, but they have some grounds to ask for the kid to turn inside out on that basis. Plus, whether as a parent, lawyer, educated person, "adult rights" that we hold dear and argue about don't always apply to minors in a school setting. Think about how you do it as a parent, does your kid get the right to "free" speech, dress, religion even? Sorry, but I doubt it.
We all were kids once, and if free will reigned in schools, things would be much worse. They are already worse, since the entitlement age is still upon us. If a school system has a dress code, it needs to be followed, as well as supported. "Your" kids don't have the right to question teachers or administrators about policy, and a parent's only choice, if they don't like school's policies, is to seek other educational opportunities elsewhere.
I, personally, think that principal applied the rule incorrectly, and should have just talked to the parents first before applying the rule, and then moved on from there if it happened again. I always approached the situation delicately and on an individual level. If the parent gets a call and the rule explained, rather than a freaked out kid thinking they are in big trouble over a tee shirt, this would be a different situation altogether. If the parent went to the press, shame on them. UofM or not, this is minor, and they could have taken issue with the board, Super and principal without it being made a stink.
Freedom of expession is one thing, but many, who don't deal with school aged kids very much would be shocked at what kids, especially young women, try to wear to school now a days. I mean, wow, short skirts be damned! And young men and their pantie dropping is the dumbest thing ever. I wish more people knew it came from prison and what it means. I wouldn't even let them in my class without fixing themselves. Thus, schools need a firm policy and support for the sani-fication of the system. I mean we all do things we don't really want to do quite a bit, but we do it so that we move foward whether professionally or personally.
It's all the kid's fault. It was the gold grill, chains, sagging pants and call ing the teacher a biotch that gave him away.
His first amendment rights have been violated. The dress code is in violation of people's rights. The tshirt doesnt threaten or offend anyone. Why is it ok to wear Oklahoma apparel? Oh thats right gang members never wear that. California did something similar to a boy in middle school a couple of years ago. The school had a mexican day. You could show your pride and wear a mexican flag shirt or just dress casual. One boy wore his american flag shirt and was forced to turn it inside out. Of course there were lots of hispanics in the school so the theme was geared toward them. The parents sued the hell out of the school district for freedom of speech, regardless of what the school's dress code was.