Best to RR. Hope he gets things moving in Arizona quickly. Hope he stays there a while and makes a strong rival to USC!
OT: Rich Rodriguez lands mobile QB from TX plus 3 good LBs (PLEASE DELETE WITH MALICE AFORETHOUGHT THANKS)
That Dakota Conwell kid looks like a bigger version of Austin White when he runs. For Arizona's sake, I hope he has a better attitude.
I have to give his offense some credit because I've never seen receivers get so wide as open as they did when he was here.
More wide open then Gallon vs Notre Dame? He may have done it on a more regular basis, but I think Gallon would disagree with your statement :-D
Eh, Gallon was open by a defender screwing up a pretty standard coverage (like how Ohio State scored their first TD against us) as opposed to RR's plays that would specifically exploit the defender's decision making.
People are going overboard romanticizing the RR offense. Even Brian keeps advancing this meme that we threw 50-yard TDs to Roundtree on a weekly basis, which was far from the case.
Denard threw for more TDs in Borges's offense than he did in RR's - in fewer attempts.
In 2010 he had 18 TD passes in 291 attempts - one per 16.2 attempts.
In 2011 he had 20 TD passes in 258 attempts - one per 12.9 attempts.
And yet, I don't think anyone would argue that he had a great year passing the ball. He can still get a lot better.
If I remember correctly, Roundtree had three 70+ yard catches last season. Not every week, but he was a big-play guy...not to mention Hemingway.
Offense doesn't matter if you can't stop people, so I'm not about to romanticize Rodriguez's offense because that would be taking it out of context. But big plays seemed to be a rarity in the passing game this year unless it was Hemingway (or sometimes Roundtree) catching a 50-50 ball.
so you would expect his numbers to be better. I remember his very first year on the team he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn...
This is the first time I've made this type of comment on any thread:
Why is this being posted? I really don't care what recruits RR is pulling in.
And fair enough, then I don't have to read this thread, right? That is always what I think when I read people bitch like I'm bitching right now.... but golly, I do have to read this thread title in the MGoBoard, and that alone makes me think of RR, and that alone makes me wonder why someone is posting his recruitng news, and that alone makes me (an even more) bitter (old man).
Markusr - sorry to be so negative, but I can't keep it in this time.
RR, best of luck, I expect you will do pretty well. I hope to never read about you again.
Hello: Brady Hoke, our new Michigan football coach (for more than a year)
Seriously, I'm all for skipping posts you don't want to read, but at what point should people who want to follow Rich Rod just join an Arizona blog?
He is our former coach and if something really big happened or maybe a retrospective after his season or next few seasons are over, I could see a post. But signing a few commits. He'll probably sign 20-25. And then are we going to get an AZ update every game? Maybe we should get Steve Fisher updates as well.
And to clarify, I was a RR supporter last year. Let it move on.
Agreed. Nice to hear how he's doing but this level of detail is too much.
When was the last RR post?
I agree that we don't need daily updates, but we don't get daily updates. There are quite a few members of this blog who wish him well and are interested in seeing him succeed at Arizona. I admit that I was interested in what he was going to do for a QB this year, as I'm sure were others (not that this commitment answers that question).
Why are people so agitated? No one is trying to bring RR back to Michigan. What's more relevant to this blog? The Penn State scandal, Ali's Birthday, or news about a former coach?
The thread title was clear. If you don't care to read about RR, no one was forcing you to.
Edit: RR was a U of M coach two seasons ago. Steve Fisher was a U of M coach 15 seasons ago. Not exactly apples to apples, but if you want to discuss Steve Fisher, feel free. I was at U of M in the early 90's. I have mostly fond memories of our basketball seasons. I won't mind a few updates as to how things are going for him at San Diego State.
- National 'match day' for medical school.
- Bad calls in the Syracuse tournament game.
On the Board last night:
- Ron Zook interview comments concerning Florida and Urban Meyer.
- NFL free agency period/cutoff.
- Knicks coach resigns.
So let's be clear; it is not a matter of Board cleanliness and hygiene. It is not a matter of solid enforcement of OT posting rules.
What it is, is a PTSD-like syndrome among the Rodriguez haters alone. The reactive freakouts on the board are not caused by people who are merely interested in news about Rodriguez (much less "defending" Rodriguez, or arguing his merits).
So, yeah; let's be clear about that. "Rodriguez" ought not to be a banned topic like religion or politics, other than the fact that for certain Michigan fanboyz, any expression of mere academic interest in matters pertaining to Rodriguez set off spasms of anguish. This recent thread (200+ posts) was a perfect example:
If "Rodriguez" is to be as forbidden as "religion or politics" it is only because some portion of the Board membership here is incapable of handling the topic. And that would be unfortunate proof of "mere fanboy" status for this forum -- a status that I always resisted even when other sportswriters were making the grievous mistake of running us down for our valid defense of Rodriguez when it mattered.
A few of them have and their already starting to annoy the Wildcat fans.
I wish him the best of luck, but is this board worthy? Every time a player commits to AZ are you going to post on the board? Its one thing if he gets a five star or wins a recruiting war against Hoke.
Who cares who he gets. We MIGHT play Arizona some time in the next decade or two, maybe. This fascination with a former coach has zero to do with Michigan sports.
Talk to Brian about a special secton of the board, Diaries, Mgoboard and the daily musings of a former coach with the worst season in school history.
3-9 is worse than 1-7? With 0 conference wins instead of 2, including Wisconsin? Since when?
In fact 2008 was a great season. Its too bad that they couldn't keep up the momentum in 2009 and 2010. Everything he said is completely invalid.
No, everything he said is invalid because he thinks as soon as a coach is no longer at Michigan, any news on him is irrelevant to Michigan football, even when 90% of our current team was recruited and brought to Ann Arbor by said coach. Actually, that was his only point other than the incorrect statement that RichRod had the worst year in Michigan football history, so yeah, everything he said is invalid
The good news was momentum did build, with 5 victories in 2009 and 7 in 2010. That led to the 11 victories in 2011.
someone can start a "Hello Wildcats" diary... preferably on another blog.
Considering he has turned several lightly recruited quarterbacks into stars (Dantzler, King, Pat White, Denard), I think it's pretty interesting when Rodriguez gets "his" quarterback. For all we know, that kid could be the next Pat White or Denard Robinson.
(I realize Denard Robinson had a lot of scholarship offers, but not necessarily for quarterback.)
If one article was correct, than he'll be more Dantzler than Denard. It listed his 40 time as 4.89. Maybe it's a typo, else he's not much of a dual threat QB....I guess he'd just be a "threat QB."
Yes, another RR thread!!!! Ive been waiting for one for a while now.
Im so excited he just got a mediocre athletic QB. Thanks for posting this. I hope you make a thread every time a player commits to Zona.
Do I even have to make the sarcasm symbol?
I didn't make the thread, that's the person with the first post, ok?
You don't deserve a dog that cool looking. /s
was seen at TGIFriday's in Ann Arbor last week. I was there, and he ordered a miller lite, then a burger, then another miller lite. Just wanted people to know. (No, not really, but - just wanted people to know... ya know?) Maybe the board should make a new designation for "OT" - how about "TOT"? Totally Off Topic?
On the other hand, this is more newsworthy that the updates every time Darius Morris hits a free-throw in practice.
3 lbs. like RR?
drinking Miller Lites on his infamous arrest.
I appreciate the posts about Rich Rodriguez and I hope they continue.
It looks like Rodriguez is losing no time getting recruits at Arizona, which is definitely a good thing for that program. Hopefully, in a couple years, we're talking about a Pac-12 South that is not just USC and air.
to watch Arizona play Oregon.
of course, you like a little defense.
Anybody got pictures or video on the other two linebackers he signed?
reminded me of a golf partner I had. Depending on where we were in the match, he would say we should lose this hole so we could press the bet. RR would let the other team score so he could get the ball back or so it seemed.
When RR hired Gibson and some other assistants, I said, "This is a Michigan site. What's next? We get updates whenever he lands recruits?" Everyone said, "No...this just impacts Michigan, as it shows he likely would not have canned these assistants had he stayed." I kind of get that, but this is just getting ridiculous.
I don't want to fathom what's going to happen once his first season starts. All of a sudden, many of the Pac 12 haters are going to be arguing how "quality" most of those programs are when trying to justify how RR lost by 25 to UCLA.
And why is he on this board?
I am probably in the minority when I say I feel sympathetic towards RR , especially after reading, in Bacon's book, how poorly he was treated here.
Having said that, let's not have Arizona recruiting updates. They aren't a rival. They aren't in the B10. Geez. He's not coaching here anymore, let's all move on together, m'kay?
I doubt you are in the minority on feeling some sympathy for Rich Rod. It's hard to deny he was treated very poorly by Michigan and the media. (Unless you are my dad who can only think 3-9 and not see past that.) But my reading of Three and Out also convinced me that there was very little that could have been done differently that would have changed our record during the Rich Rod years. (With the exception of Carr encouraging players to leave, though I'm not sure how many of those who left would have stuck around even without that encouragement.)
But, yeah, that sympathy does not translate into an interest in how Rich Rod recruits. If I want to see how Arizona does next season, I'll search it out on my own, and not expect play-by-plays of the games posted here.
Casteel would have helped. But that's water over the dam. I'm glad to have Hoke and his staff.
The QB recruit he landed is very similar to him landing Justin Feagin in our first year....except Feagin had more offers. The arizona depth chart at QB is kind of scary as to how similar it is to his first year here.
To those not wanting to see anything more on RR, I understand and to some degree feel the same way. The problem is he is like the train wreck that makes you look away, but you just can't stop turning back for a look. Please make that go away!
I agree, but how many times can that train keep on wrecking? After a point we just need to look away! We are only noticing the wreckage because people keep pointing it out to us. Stop the madness!
Even though I'm not the biggest RR fan, I think a little RR news every once in a while is interesting. I'd just suggest limiting the threats to major headlines about him: if he lands a five-star or does something remarkable (or remarkably bad). RR landing a bunch of Arizona-caliber lbs isn't really news because any Arizona coach would have landed them.
Like it or not RR will always be linked with Michigan. Additionally, there are a lot of Michigan fans that did not want to see him go. If someone doesn't want to hear about him then don't read those posts. There are way more off topic posts having nothing to do with Michigan than those about RR. If people want to follow RR and share with other intrested Michigan fans, so be it. I don't see complaining about posts about Tom Brady, Dhani Jones, Tate Forcier, Demar Dorsey (who was only a Michigan recruit that never made it to campus) etc. Like it or not RR will always be a part of Michigan's history, all be it the the not so rich part.
How do you go from Tom Brady to Demar Dorsey? Anyone complaining about a Tom Brady post should be bitch-slapped.
I agree. I was just saying that are a lot of people associated with Michigan in a variety of ways that are discussed on the board and why is RR so continually signaled out as someone that shouldn't be.
We've tried that already. People are complaining about an article describing a few commits, not an article about RR.
It was a link to an article backing the original post that was talking about RR's recruiting. People are zeroing in on anything RR here. The OP followed the guidelines for "OT," the title is clear in what it's discussing but some folks just feel the need to police other strangers.
Yeah, but the commit is QB and we all know how important that position is in RR's system (see 2008 season). We are not talking about some random TE or DB. And again, I don't see any complaints in the thread about a Cal commit flipping to UCLA. Just saying.
There are no complaints about the thread about a Cal commit flipping to UCLA because it is the first time something like that has been posted. I didn't get much out of it, but if I see a bunch more threads popping up about Cal and UCLA recruiting I sure will get annoyed.
The issue isn't that RR shouldn't be discussed. It's that some members of the MGoBoard seem obsessed with seeing him succeed and following his coaching tenure at Arizona, which is fine, but this is not an Arizona blog. UM has almost nothing to do with Arizona. OT is OT, but there are other places to post things about Arizona recruiting that will receive a more interested response than here.
The difference is that it directly relates to recruits at Cal who we want to flip at Michigan, in that if some are jumping, the ones considering Michigan may too. We weren't after any of these guys in this post.
And guys, it's "singling out" (or probably more appropriately "singled"). Not a big deal, but it was starting to replicate.
You forgot to mention Yuri Wright!
what no forcier.........???????????
A) We don't get that many updates on him (e.g. he changed schools...again).
B) The posts on him are the equivalent of RR leaving to go to another school. We are making posts about RR that are the equivalent of Tate becoming a vegetarian or dropping math class.
C) Tate didn't humiliate the fan base and to be quite honest, I feel more sorry for him than RR. Tate is an immature ass, but he's only 19-20, and will live a lifetime of regret of the opportunity he squandered. RR will likely have that kind of regret for leaving WV, but at least he made MILLIONS in the process and has the chance of starting another legacy at Arizona.
I'm confused....did you just insinuate that RichRod humiliated the fanbase?
He is NOTHING like Brady Hoke.
...to hear that our former coach managed to pull an unranked recruit away from football powerhouse Indiana to help build his program at Arizona. This is very relevant news for our football program at Michigan, because without this knowledge, we'd be quaking in our boots the next time we play Indiana.
Maybe next time you could give recruiting updates for other schools and coaches we don't give a sh*t about.
What about Oregon state or Washington state?
Assclown is gone, move on
Right now on the front page, there are posts about Muhammad Ali's birthday and a Cal recruit flipping to UCLA.
I think we can handle a post about our former head coach's quarterback recruiting at his next job.
Yep, and then in a week or so we can handle posts about the anniversary of Muhammad Ali's first papercut and a Cal commit's twitter post about his breakfast.
i agree.. i see far less entertaining post's on this website daily.
You know it's not a single RR-related post that's irking people--it's the sheer volume of them, and the increasing lack of relevance in them to Michigan.
Obviously a lot of people liked the man when he was here, and some continue to do so. I like him and wish him well, but at some point it's just too much.
Right...and what about all the Demar Dorsey threads? Rodriguez coached here for three seasons, and Dorsey never even made it to campus...yet we still see Dorsey threads. And there were two or three posts about how GRCC shut down their football program. How relevant are those things?
And what about the weekly "What are you drinking?" threads?
This board is all over the place. If the mods wanted to keep it strictly to Michigan football, then there are lots of things that should be deleted. But it's the off-season, and I would much rather read stuff about Rodriguez's recruiting success/failure at Arizona than about whether Blue_in_Seattle (I just made up that name...sorry if it's an actual poster) is drinking whisky or beer tonight.
Bottom line: If people around here liked Rodriguez, they wouldn't mind all the Rodriguez threads. But they don't, so it pisses them off. And liking or disliking him is irrelevant to the topic of Rodriguez being . . . relevant. If you don't like the subject, skip it and move on celebrating Cassius Clay's b-day.
(And Dorsey is a bad example, because there's some inherent "can we get him to come to Michigan" subtext to it. If he commits to say, Florida State, and there are still posts, that'd be a better match).
And yet people have said numerous, numerous, numerous times that he's not coming to Michigan. So he's completely irrelevant, unless you're a recruitnik like me who enjoys following former recruits . . . and coaches.
Dorial Green-Beckham isn't coming to Michigan. Neither is Gunner Kiel. Neither is Les Miles. Or Nick Saban. But I've still seen threads about them.
Bottom line: It seems like the fact that any Rich Rod thread turns into nothing but bickering about whether there should be Rich Rod threads is precisely WHY there shouldn't be Rich Rod threads.
It's more like "that's why people who don't want threads about RR should be mature and ignore them."
A thread asking why our coaches don't try to get Dorsey? That's a-okay with me. An RR-in-Arizona thread that concerns Michigan? Also okay with me. And the occassional OT one is cool as well.
But you know as well as I do how many of these RR-in-Arizona threads there are, and how many of them DON'T actually relate to Michigan at all, aside from the fact that they concern our former coach. I'm a big believer in "don't care, don't read," but not when they come so frequently and have so little to do with our program.
This is why people get irked. It's not the individual post, it's the cumulative effect. I DO like Rich Rodriguez, and wish him well, but I DON'T see how he's relevant to our program anymore, aside from residual effects on our roster, some unanswered questions about our performance 2008-2010 and the occassional competition for recruits.
This thread, and a number of others, don't have anything to do with any of those three things.
"I DO like Rich Rodriguez, and wish him well, but I DON'T see how he's relevant to our program anymore, aside from residual effects on our roster, some unanswered questions about our performance 2008-2010 and the occassional competition for recruits."
He's no less relevant to our program than Tom Brady, David Harris, Steve Breaston, Chad Henne, Jake Long, and numerous other ex-players. If there's a moratorium placed on Rodriguez threads, then we should probably stop posting threads like the one(s) about Tom Brady's shoulder and whether he'll play that week. Hell, I still see an occasional thread about Tom Harmon, and that guy has been dead for over 20 years.
If Rodriguez were Bo Schembechler, we could start 1,000 threads about his new job for the Detroit Tigers and nobody would give a damn.
But like I said, it's Rich Rodriguez and he didn't win enough for us and, dammit, we don't wanna hear about him anymore! Except some of us do.
I'm interested. Clearly other people are, too. He's an ex-coach. Skip it if you see "Rodriguez" or "Arizona" in the title. It's not that difficult.
The occassional one, which is appropriate. So is the occassional Rich Rod thread that doesn't relate to our program.
It's not a matter of absolutes, it's a matter of volume. As in, "excessive volume."
I think you're overestimating the number of Rich Rodriguez threads that appear around here. He got a QB (he has a tendency to turn quarterbacks into stars) and he got Jeff Casteel (a defensive coordinator who could have helped him keep the Michigan job). Both of those things happened recently, and a thread was started about each. Other than that, I don't remember a great deal of Rodriguez threads around here recently.
There was at least one that got deleted. (And that includes a pretty explicit rule for Rich Rod threads.)
and I quote:
"Per Brian's direction, no Rodriguez posts unless (and I'm paraphrasing) they directly relate to the current status of Michigan football or are thought-provoking historical analysis."
I probably wouldn't even go that far, but I just feel like every time I log on, there's some new thread informing me of who urinates where in Tuscon.
As of 2:40 EST, I see 6/15 threads on the sidebar that I give exactly 0 shits about, and another 6 that I could go without, but I don't go into them and whine about how it's off-topic or irrelevant.
What do people want? Updates everytime Borges takes a dump? That's cool because it's related to Michigan, right?
"Allen, who was evaluated as a high three-star prospect by ESPNU..."
"Allen is now the program's highest-rated prospect according to ESPNU."
Though that probably says nothing, since it's Arizona.
The kid had 1,497 yards rushing and 22 touchdowns on the ground, plus 30 touchdowns and only 5 picks through the air (on 61.7% passing).
Low rated recruit or not, he certainly put up some good numbers in high school.
On a side note, one of his receivers was Torii Hunter, Jr. . . . the son of the Twins/Angels outfielder.
That might have something to do with playing in AAA ball, the third highest (or lowest, it's in the dead middle) of Texas high school football. Not saying the guy isn't good, but it sounds like a wealthy school with a ton of support, which can't hurt.
AZ has also offered Griffey's kid.
To be fair its not like we are used to our former HC's coaching at other programs, this is all new to us.
Excepting Moeller's stint with the Lions, 1930 was the last time a former Michigan HC was on the sidelines for another team. It happened in 1924 as well, but then you need to go back before Yost to find another example.
Ah yes. 1930. Back when MGoBlog was written on papyrus with the charred end of a stick. In Aramaic.
Those were the good ol' days.
I just deciphered your 1929 preview. Good work, but I think we were all off about #2 Purdue. Looking forward to plugging the 1931 recruiting class preview from TTB into Google Translator. It would be much easier with an Aramaic keyboard, but I'll keep at it.
...would be the most useful benchmarks.
Don, you're really a butthead sometimes.
I can't get a Michigan/Va Tech UFR to save my life, but when Rich Rod gets an unranked QB to verbal to a school we never play or have anything to do with...it's a 2 page thread.
Looks like a Pat white 2.0. has a pretty good arm.
...somewhere that those who want to follow that teams recruiting can join.
I wish him, and them, a world of success, (unless they get into a game against Michigan).
But, that ship has sailed and threads such as this one are a waste just asking to be critized for existing.
We don't need to get RR's recruiting info on a Michigan blog.
Wac level recruiting...
At what point should people who want to bitch about posts join a bitch-about-posts-blog...
Seriously... skim and scan it's not that hard.
I enjoy reading the RR threads and feel he's still relevant in the mgouniverse as much as say former QB Tom Brady (why not join a Patriots blog) etc.
I only skimmed the thread. I especially support the informative title. It is OT, it involves RR, and it gives the gist of things. Anyone upset about that needs to get a life. With the title, there is no reason to click on the thread. As long as titles are informative, there should be no problem with this kind of post and links going up on the board.
At first I was all "Why do I care about mediocre RR recruits at Arizona again?"
But then I looked at the calendar, and it said Jan. 17. Which means, no college football. In other words, offtopic season. And the thread is labeled as such.
And now all I want to say, in the vein of the "obvious troll is obvious" meme:
Offtopic thread is offtopic.
And we're OK here at MGoBlog with OT threads like the PS3 NCAA dynasty thread and the "Are the NEW YORK RANGERS for real?" threads, but not the former-coach-lands-some-recruits-including-a-QB thread?
Derp, people. Derp.
I came to this thread because I knew everybody would be bitching at each other.
I stayed because everybody was bitching at each other.
I was wrong to post this. My apologies. Lesson learned.
My biggest problem with RR at Michigan is that he was so focused on his offense that he neglected special teams and defense. Maybe he learned something from his brief stay at Michigan.
There is a rule named above from Brian about "No Rodriguez" posts, so I will follow that and request my post be deleted.
Sounds like he may have found another diamond in the rough. I hope he works out in Arizona. Nice opportunity for that kid. :-)
I would've NEVER heard about this if not for an OT post on mgoblog. Thanks for posting!
yeah, that's more Dual-Threet than dual-threat.
if he can pass, though, which it appears that he can in his recruiting vid (not much of a strong arm, but fairly accurate), he could be serviceable. Not sure he's the next coming of Denard or Pat White, but with a bigger body (207 is his listed weight), he could grow into a little more of the Logan Thomas/Chris Relf type of mobile QB. Who knows.
I didn't want to start a new thread for this (because it's not worth it), but there's a funny quote about Rich Rodriguez and his staff at Arizona:
"As far as his new coaches go, Bondurant noticed one difference compared to the old staff through just two spring practices: There is a lot more yelling "as a group.""
It's nice to know that Rodriguez and his guys have now made two consecutive stops where their yelling is a bit of a culture shock for the players.