I agree. I was just saying that are a lot of people associated with Michigan in a variety of ways that are discussed on the board and why is RR so continually signaled out as someone that shouldn't be.
OT: Rich Rodriguez lands mobile QB from TX plus 3 good LBs (PLEASE DELETE WITH MALICE AFORETHOUGHT THANKS)
We've tried that already. People are complaining about an article describing a few commits, not an article about RR.
It was a link to an article backing the original post that was talking about RR's recruiting. People are zeroing in on anything RR here. The OP followed the guidelines for "OT," the title is clear in what it's discussing but some folks just feel the need to police other strangers.
Yeah, but the commit is QB and we all know how important that position is in RR's system (see 2008 season). We are not talking about some random TE or DB. And again, I don't see any complaints in the thread about a Cal commit flipping to UCLA. Just saying.
There are no complaints about the thread about a Cal commit flipping to UCLA because it is the first time something like that has been posted. I didn't get much out of it, but if I see a bunch more threads popping up about Cal and UCLA recruiting I sure will get annoyed.
The issue isn't that RR shouldn't be discussed. It's that some members of the MGoBoard seem obsessed with seeing him succeed and following his coaching tenure at Arizona, which is fine, but this is not an Arizona blog. UM has almost nothing to do with Arizona. OT is OT, but there are other places to post things about Arizona recruiting that will receive a more interested response than here.
The difference is that it directly relates to recruits at Cal who we want to flip at Michigan, in that if some are jumping, the ones considering Michigan may too. We weren't after any of these guys in this post.
And guys, it's "singling out" (or probably more appropriately "singled"). Not a big deal, but it was starting to replicate.
You forgot to mention Yuri Wright!
what no forcier.........???????????
A) We don't get that many updates on him (e.g. he changed schools...again).
B) The posts on him are the equivalent of RR leaving to go to another school. We are making posts about RR that are the equivalent of Tate becoming a vegetarian or dropping math class.
C) Tate didn't humiliate the fan base and to be quite honest, I feel more sorry for him than RR. Tate is an immature ass, but he's only 19-20, and will live a lifetime of regret of the opportunity he squandered. RR will likely have that kind of regret for leaving WV, but at least he made MILLIONS in the process and has the chance of starting another legacy at Arizona.
I'm confused....did you just insinuate that RichRod humiliated the fanbase?
He is NOTHING like Brady Hoke.
...to hear that our former coach managed to pull an unranked recruit away from football powerhouse Indiana to help build his program at Arizona. This is very relevant news for our football program at Michigan, because without this knowledge, we'd be quaking in our boots the next time we play Indiana.
Maybe next time you could give recruiting updates for other schools and coaches we don't give a sh*t about.
What about Oregon state or Washington state?
Assclown is gone, move on
Right now on the front page, there are posts about Muhammad Ali's birthday and a Cal recruit flipping to UCLA.
I think we can handle a post about our former head coach's quarterback recruiting at his next job.
Yep, and then in a week or so we can handle posts about the anniversary of Muhammad Ali's first papercut and a Cal commit's twitter post about his breakfast.
i agree.. i see far less entertaining post's on this website daily.
You know it's not a single RR-related post that's irking people--it's the sheer volume of them, and the increasing lack of relevance in them to Michigan.
Obviously a lot of people liked the man when he was here, and some continue to do so. I like him and wish him well, but at some point it's just too much.
Right...and what about all the Demar Dorsey threads? Rodriguez coached here for three seasons, and Dorsey never even made it to campus...yet we still see Dorsey threads. And there were two or three posts about how GRCC shut down their football program. How relevant are those things?
And what about the weekly "What are you drinking?" threads?
This board is all over the place. If the mods wanted to keep it strictly to Michigan football, then there are lots of things that should be deleted. But it's the off-season, and I would much rather read stuff about Rodriguez's recruiting success/failure at Arizona than about whether Blue_in_Seattle (I just made up that name...sorry if it's an actual poster) is drinking whisky or beer tonight.
Bottom line: If people around here liked Rodriguez, they wouldn't mind all the Rodriguez threads. But they don't, so it pisses them off. And liking or disliking him is irrelevant to the topic of Rodriguez being . . . relevant. If you don't like the subject, skip it and move on celebrating Cassius Clay's b-day.
(And Dorsey is a bad example, because there's some inherent "can we get him to come to Michigan" subtext to it. If he commits to say, Florida State, and there are still posts, that'd be a better match).
And yet people have said numerous, numerous, numerous times that he's not coming to Michigan. So he's completely irrelevant, unless you're a recruitnik like me who enjoys following former recruits . . . and coaches.
Dorial Green-Beckham isn't coming to Michigan. Neither is Gunner Kiel. Neither is Les Miles. Or Nick Saban. But I've still seen threads about them.
Bottom line: It seems like the fact that any Rich Rod thread turns into nothing but bickering about whether there should be Rich Rod threads is precisely WHY there shouldn't be Rich Rod threads.
It's more like "that's why people who don't want threads about RR should be mature and ignore them."
A thread asking why our coaches don't try to get Dorsey? That's a-okay with me. An RR-in-Arizona thread that concerns Michigan? Also okay with me. And the occassional OT one is cool as well.
But you know as well as I do how many of these RR-in-Arizona threads there are, and how many of them DON'T actually relate to Michigan at all, aside from the fact that they concern our former coach. I'm a big believer in "don't care, don't read," but not when they come so frequently and have so little to do with our program.
This is why people get irked. It's not the individual post, it's the cumulative effect. I DO like Rich Rodriguez, and wish him well, but I DON'T see how he's relevant to our program anymore, aside from residual effects on our roster, some unanswered questions about our performance 2008-2010 and the occassional competition for recruits.
This thread, and a number of others, don't have anything to do with any of those three things.
"I DO like Rich Rodriguez, and wish him well, but I DON'T see how he's relevant to our program anymore, aside from residual effects on our roster, some unanswered questions about our performance 2008-2010 and the occassional competition for recruits."
He's no less relevant to our program than Tom Brady, David Harris, Steve Breaston, Chad Henne, Jake Long, and numerous other ex-players. If there's a moratorium placed on Rodriguez threads, then we should probably stop posting threads like the one(s) about Tom Brady's shoulder and whether he'll play that week. Hell, I still see an occasional thread about Tom Harmon, and that guy has been dead for over 20 years.
If Rodriguez were Bo Schembechler, we could start 1,000 threads about his new job for the Detroit Tigers and nobody would give a damn.
But like I said, it's Rich Rodriguez and he didn't win enough for us and, dammit, we don't wanna hear about him anymore! Except some of us do.
I'm interested. Clearly other people are, too. He's an ex-coach. Skip it if you see "Rodriguez" or "Arizona" in the title. It's not that difficult.
The occassional one, which is appropriate. So is the occassional Rich Rod thread that doesn't relate to our program.
It's not a matter of absolutes, it's a matter of volume. As in, "excessive volume."
I think you're overestimating the number of Rich Rodriguez threads that appear around here. He got a QB (he has a tendency to turn quarterbacks into stars) and he got Jeff Casteel (a defensive coordinator who could have helped him keep the Michigan job). Both of those things happened recently, and a thread was started about each. Other than that, I don't remember a great deal of Rodriguez threads around here recently.
There was at least one that got deleted. (And that includes a pretty explicit rule for Rich Rod threads.)
and I quote:
"Per Brian's direction, no Rodriguez posts unless (and I'm paraphrasing) they directly relate to the current status of Michigan football or are thought-provoking historical analysis."
I probably wouldn't even go that far, but I just feel like every time I log on, there's some new thread informing me of who urinates where in Tuscon.
As of 2:40 EST, I see 6/15 threads on the sidebar that I give exactly 0 shits about, and another 6 that I could go without, but I don't go into them and whine about how it's off-topic or irrelevant.
What do people want? Updates everytime Borges takes a dump? That's cool because it's related to Michigan, right?
"Allen, who was evaluated as a high three-star prospect by ESPNU..."
"Allen is now the program's highest-rated prospect according to ESPNU."
Though that probably says nothing, since it's Arizona.
The kid had 1,497 yards rushing and 22 touchdowns on the ground, plus 30 touchdowns and only 5 picks through the air (on 61.7% passing).
Low rated recruit or not, he certainly put up some good numbers in high school.
On a side note, one of his receivers was Torii Hunter, Jr. . . . the son of the Twins/Angels outfielder.
That might have something to do with playing in AAA ball, the third highest (or lowest, it's in the dead middle) of Texas high school football. Not saying the guy isn't good, but it sounds like a wealthy school with a ton of support, which can't hurt.
AZ has also offered Griffey's kid.
To be fair its not like we are used to our former HC's coaching at other programs, this is all new to us.
Excepting Moeller's stint with the Lions, 1930 was the last time a former Michigan HC was on the sidelines for another team. It happened in 1924 as well, but then you need to go back before Yost to find another example.
Ah yes. 1930. Back when MGoBlog was written on papyrus with the charred end of a stick. In Aramaic.
Those were the good ol' days.
I just deciphered your 1929 preview. Good work, but I think we were all off about #2 Purdue. Looking forward to plugging the 1931 recruiting class preview from TTB into Google Translator. It would be much easier with an Aramaic keyboard, but I'll keep at it.
...would be the most useful benchmarks.
Don, you're really a butthead sometimes.
I can't get a Michigan/Va Tech UFR to save my life, but when Rich Rod gets an unranked QB to verbal to a school we never play or have anything to do with...it's a 2 page thread.
Looks like a Pat white 2.0. has a pretty good arm.
...somewhere that those who want to follow that teams recruiting can join.
I wish him, and them, a world of success, (unless they get into a game against Michigan).
But, that ship has sailed and threads such as this one are a waste just asking to be critized for existing.
We don't need to get RR's recruiting info on a Michigan blog.
Wac level recruiting...
At what point should people who want to bitch about posts join a bitch-about-posts-blog...
Seriously... skim and scan it's not that hard.
I enjoy reading the RR threads and feel he's still relevant in the mgouniverse as much as say former QB Tom Brady (why not join a Patriots blog) etc.
I only skimmed the thread. I especially support the informative title. It is OT, it involves RR, and it gives the gist of things. Anyone upset about that needs to get a life. With the title, there is no reason to click on the thread. As long as titles are informative, there should be no problem with this kind of post and links going up on the board.
At first I was all "Why do I care about mediocre RR recruits at Arizona again?"
But then I looked at the calendar, and it said Jan. 17. Which means, no college football. In other words, offtopic season. And the thread is labeled as such.
And now all I want to say, in the vein of the "obvious troll is obvious" meme:
Offtopic thread is offtopic.
And we're OK here at MGoBlog with OT threads like the PS3 NCAA dynasty thread and the "Are the NEW YORK RANGERS for real?" threads, but not the former-coach-lands-some-recruits-including-a-QB thread?
Derp, people. Derp.