I love Barry. LOVE him. But
Can't agree
Payton and Sanders were pretty different players.
It's sad how you admit that this isn't the time nor place, but you feel the need to say it anyway. But I guess that's just who you are.
No excuses. Play like a champion.
Thanks buddy. It's a fucking
Thanks buddy. It's a fucking vide game cover not his funeral but thanks for going the extra mile to be a prick about it.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
Hahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahaha
Haven't met a innocent 15 yr. old
...couldn't help but reply to that one.
Barry was better than Payton,
Barry was better than Payton, not really an argument.
You should take the bar. You
You should take the bar. You would be a fine lawyer.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
Barry > Payton
He's the only two RB in the history of NFL to average 5 plus yards per carry in their career.
He was the first RB to run for 1,500 yards in 5 seasons and the only to do it in 4 consescutive years. In his run to 2,000 yards, he set the NFL record for running over 100 yards in 14 consecutive games and the first since OJ Simpson to rush for 2,000 yards in a span of 14 consecutive games.
His notable accomplishments in the NFL:
- Most season on 1,100 or more yards rushing (10, tied with Payton)
- Most Consecutive Seasons, 1,100 or More Yards Rushing (10)
- Most Seasons, 1,300 or More Yards Rushing (9) tied with Walter Payton
- Most Seasons, 1,400 or More Yards Rushing (7)
- Most Consecutive Seasons, 1,400 or More Yards Rushing (5) tied with Emmitt Smith, 1991–1995
- NFL Record 25 games in which Sanders rushed for 150 yards or more. Jim Brown is second with 22 games.
- NFL record 46 games in which Sanders had 150 yards from scrimmage or more. Walter Payton is second with 45.
- 15 career touchdown runs of 50 yards or more, most in NFL history. Jim Brown is second with 12.
- At the time of his retirement, Sanders' 15,269 career rushing yards placed him second behind Walter Payton's 16,726 yards. At Sanders' then-current yearly yardage pace, he would have eclipsed Payton within one or two years.
- His fewest rushing yards in a season for his career is 1,115
- Most of it came in a single back formation with no FB blocking for him and when he finally runs out of I formation, he runs for 2000 yards.
Barry had to run behind one of the worst run blocking OL in the league at least it's the bottom third. He does it with 8-9 guys in the box accounting for Barry at every single snap.
The Sweetness is definitely one of the best RB of all time, but Barry is better. I'd put him at worst #2 RB at all time after Jim Brown.
I'll just say the "Lions sucked" doesn't hold much water
Comparing him to Payton who played for some truly awful Bear teams. When he was on his last legs he played on some great Bear teams, but even then it wasn't much of an offense. It was all defense. Barry on the other hand played with some pretty high powered offenses (and awful defenses). He played most of his career with Herman Moore, so he wasn't the only offensive threat.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
Never said Lions sucked
I said the OL sucked at run blocking. Big difference. Team winning record is irrelevant. Payton was able to run with holes in front of him on a consistent basis. With Barry, he often has to make defender miss as soon as he get the handoff.
First of all, that's completely unquantifiable.
Barry ran for a lot of yards...they passed for a lot of yards...how do you say they couldn't run block? And even if you're doing the eye test for that...how can you say that Payton had great lines? The records matter, because those crappy Bears teams didn't have anything good on their team...O-Line or more...and wasn't any different than Sanders crappy teams weaknesses. And Barry played on some pretty good teams...at least offensively. They bombed in the playoffs because they didn't play a lot of defense. So you can do anecdotal eye tests, but that doesn't make it so.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
team record does not matter
because it is not a reflection of a player's individual talent.
But is it is a good reflection
Of how much talent his teammates may or may not have.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
The '85 Bears
were #1 offensively and #1 defensively. Payton fueled some underrated offenses in the '80s.
YOU'RE LOOKING LIVE ON ME OPENING A BAG OF PEANUTS!
-Brent Musburger on an airplane
Actually, it looks like they were ranked #2 overall...
But the Lions had the #6 offense in '94, #2 in '95, #4 in '97 (and #9 in their best year, '91). And I'm not going to rank that as one of the all time great offenses either. You have to ask yourself- how much of that was the Barry/Walter factor, and how much of it was the offense? We've spent years here hearing how defense makes offense better...well, the possibly best defense of all time makes offense a lot better. They had serviceable QBs and WRs...their next best offensive threat might have been a TE.
The point is that "Bears offense a powerhouse helping Walter" vs. "Barry played on teams that had nothing on offensive and 11 guys tried to tackle him while not covering Herman Moore and he STILL got all those yards" is completely bogus. And for every really crappy offense Barry played on, there's a crappy offense in the 70's that Payton played on.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
I agree with you, sorta.
The best football player I ever saw was Payton. Ran great, for sure. But blocked, caught passes out of the backfield....and served as the Bears emergency QB AND kicker. Barry was the best runner I ever saw. Moved like no other, other than maybe Gayle Sayers. And Jim Brown was the best running back. Couldn't move like Barry, but just an imposing physical specimen. If he hadn't left to do movies, none of this would even be up for discussion.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
I'm sorry,
But there is just something about you that is unbelievably annoying to me.
I think a lot of people feel
I think a lot of people feel the same. Probably why everything he says gets negged
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” - Bo Schembechler
Barry is the GOAT. I'm
Barry is the GOAT. I'm totally biased, he is my childhood idol, but I don't care. His 1988 college season and his 1997 NFL season stand as two of the greatest single season performances in the history of sports. Only he and Jim Brown have a career per carry average of 5 or higher. He averaged over 1500 yards a season and NEVER ran for less than 1100. There is not a runner in the history of the game that accomplshed as much with as little as that man had to work with.
If we could reduce the game of football to a single play; gave your best player the ten worst teammates; going against the 11 best opponents, of any era; and then had to wager your life on the outcome, is there anyone you would pick other than Barry Sanders? There are athletes that have turned in legendary performances, but this man worked miracles.
You don't understand the
You don't understand the concept of the #1 jersey.
For the 250th time, I put
For the 250th time, I put this sig up when I joined and vowed I would not take it down until Roy officially plays his last game. Whether he be wearing #1 or #99. Whether it makes me look like a visionary or a fool.
When the ADept sells special jerseys and gear, you'll see my picture next to the targeted customer crowd. A sheep.....but a Blue one.....
Definitely should have been
Definitely should have been Charles Woodson.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
Barry Sanders said on the Dan Patrick show
today that OSU will of course always be his #1 team, but his #2 team is Michigan.
When he told Desmond that on twitter, Desmond called him the GOAT
If that doesn't settle the
If that doesn't settle the Barry vs Payton debate, I don't know what will
RG3's Head
Is it just me or is there a bit of a bobblehead effect with RG3 and is head? It looks really disproportionate to his body.
Video Game people always photoshop those pictures so oddly, I can remember in NCAA Baseball 07 (I think) when the U. of Texas "T" on the batting helmet was no where near where it was supposed to be.
nope
it's just you. This cover is sweet!
The cover is very sweet
The cover is very sweet looking! I am a fan of both RG3 and Barry... just kinda looks a little off that's all.
Barry
GOAT.
Chuck Norris wears Brady Hoke pajamas.
I love Barry. LOVE him. But Walter Payton was better. I know this isn't the time nor the place. Just watched the Payton doc. on NFL Network last night and it moved me. Congrats to Sanders though. He was as excititng a player as ever has been in the league. I miss watching him a great deal. The best thing about Barry is he left on top of his game and on his own terms. Like a boss. Hated that at the time, but looking back on it I respect the hell out of him for it.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.