OT - Referring to the U.S. as "America"
Hulk Hogan says STFU and take your vitamins!
It is ridiculous what that man did for Pro Wrestling. That's pure American Awesome right there.
He has to be one of the best salesman in the history of the U.S. Looking back now that I am older, he is a horrific wrestler but boy could he sell you on the product. His charisma and showmanship are unbelievable. Everyone from my generation (I was born in 1981) wanted to be the Hulkster.
I didn't.... I hate wrastlin', at least the fake kind. Hated it as a kid, and I still do. I probably have my father to thank for that, as he would never let me watch it (not that I really wanted to).
I plus oned.
I was huge fan of Hulk Hogan growing up in the 80s. I actually went and saw a WCW match in Van Andel Arena, but I never took it that seriously, except for when I was 11 and thought Hogan and Michael Jordan were the two greatest people who ever lived.
when we call ourselves Americans?
Well...saying you're from America IS correct...because you are in America. You're just not being specific enough.
Not at all...
As you say, it depends on the context and how it is phrased... most of the time I don't see a problem with it.... but sometimes yeah, it does sound arrogant or it sounds as if the person does not know that there is an entire continent out there
It's never a problem, ever. The OPs position is the very definition of ridiculous. I've spent weeks at a time in Europe for business, and Europeans ask "are you from America?" I suppose they are arrogant too? And how many countries that the OP listed actually have "America" in the proper name of their country?
When a foreigner refers to the US as America, that is inarguably ok. The whole point is that, when an American says it, it comes across as smug.
An analogy: complementing yourself is boasting, but someone else complementing you is unremarkable. In that analogy, claiming sole ownership of the entity "America" is boastful, even if non-americans do the same.
It's not boastful, not even one small bit. Again, it is the proper name of this country. No other country has that in it's proper name. The simple fact that other people in other countries refer to it way invalidates your entire argument, which rests upon the flawed assumption of our supposed boastfulness. Sorry, but the notion that referring to a shorthand version of your own country's proper name is somehow boasting is mushy headed thinking of the highest order.
Get a grip on yourself. Since when does it follow that referring to oneself as "American" equate to claiming sole ownership of a continent or two? I know of no one - and have never heard of anyone - for whom that's true. If you think it is, or even if you believe that's what citizens of other countries think, I don't even know what to say.
And, let's take your analogy a bit further ... African-Americans. Are People of Color claiming sole ownership of not one continent, but two? How about Pacific Islanders? Are you suggesting that they claim an entire ocean or just all of its atolls and sea mounts?
Finally, if you bother to read the comments on this thread, there are some pretty lucid and compelling reasons why calling oneself an "American" is neither arrogant, nor a claim to ownership.
We should probably get offended because Netherlands refers to itself as the United Provinces. Or when somebody points out that Germany can be called the United States of Germany.
Or how about this, why do people from the Democratic Republic of Congo just get referred to as being from the Congo? The Congo is bigger than just the Democratic Republic!!!! I bet you Rwandans get just as pissed off when people call the DRC the Congo.
Arrogant? Sir, I am, an American. I was born an American; I live an American; I shall die an American; and I intend to perform the duties incumbent upon me in that character to the end of my career. I mean to do this, with absolute disregard of personal consequences.
What are personal consequences? What is the individual man, with all the good or evil that may betide him, in comparison with the good or evil which may befall a great country in a crisis like this, and in the midst of great transactions which concern that country's fate?
Let the consequences be what they will, I am careless. No man can suffer too much, and no man can fall too soon, if he suffer, or if he fall, in defense of the liberties and Constitution of his country.
EDIT: No love for the greatest orator in the history of the United States of America?
I've always told people that America consists of every country from the northern tip of Alaska and Canada down to Argentina/Chile because in reality we are the United States OF America...not America. And obviously the name coming from Amerigo Vespucci.
I dont think its that big of a deal but I usually say the United States.
Then how do you define "Mexico"? The country to our south is the United States of Mexico. The word "of" does not imply "part of a larger entity beyond this." Now, if it were the "United States in America," you might have a point.
The area from Alaska to Chile is the Americas - plural.
I don't think this is a big deal.
are we? I bet you expected a lot of posbangs and pats on the back for your heroic stance against the Imperial American empire, hmm?
We're America because America is in our fucking name. Deal with it. If S. America merges into one futbol team, tell them to feel free to do the same thing.
Relax buddy. Try not to be the guy that finds everything and anything to be offensive. Pansy.
Quite being such a bitch, you're in the backseat...
Too afraid to use the REAL quote?
I ask myself, what would Ricky Stanzi say?
Ricky Stanzi would not be offended, therefore I am not.
The only place I've ever encountered this issue is in Canada. They aren't fond of us referring to ourselves as "Americans". They say the US and Canadian citizens are all Americans. I don't care either way, I guess.
If we're not Americans, what are we? United Statesians? United States of Americans? What ever ...
Tell any Canadien's that complain, it's an abreviation you hoser.
It does bother me a little when America is used in place of the Untied States, or the United States of America in a public speech with likely international interest. Me personally, I guess I like the notions behind that united states part, and having been many places in the world am worldly enough to recognize that America is not specific enough.
But still ... what ever ...
I've never encountered this in Canada. Where were you when people complained?
It seems to me that in most places, "America" is more common and easier to say than the "United States" equivalent in that language.
I have relatives in Turkey and France, and America is a lot easier than "Birlesik Devletleri" or "Les Etats Unis".
So no... I don't have an issue with it.
US and A!
well, we're in all sorts of weird name issues in n.america. technically, mexico is los estados unidos de mexico, which, of course, is the united states of mexico.
So is saying you're South African an insult to the other countries in south Africa? Are we supposed to call them from "the Republic" or from the "R.o."?
No, we call them South Africans. We call ourselves Americans.
In spanish class I was taught the citizens of mexico and central/south american countries hate it when residents of the United States say that we're from "America". "Soy americano", "I am American", supposedly applies to everyone on either continent.
On the other hand, if we're not exclusive Americans, what are we? Mexico has Mexicans, Chile has Chileans, and the United States of America has Americans. We're not going around calling ourselves United Statesians, are we? Let's ask Wikipedia.
The demonym for citizens of the United States of America suffers a similar problem albeit non-politically, because "American" may ambiguously refer to both the nation, the USA, and the conjoined continent pair, North and South America. United Statian is awkward in English, but it exists in Spanish (estadounidense), French (étatsunien(ne), although americain(e) is preferred), Portuguese (estado-unidense or estadunidense), Italian (statunitense), and also in Interlingua (statounitese). US American (for the noun) and US-American (when used as a compound modifier preceding a noun) is another option, and is a common demonym in German (US-Amerikaner). Latin Americans (who are the most affected by this use of American) also have yanqui (Yankee) and the euphemism norteamericano/norte-americano 'North American, which technically includes the USA, Mexico and Canada, but is frequently used in Spanish to refer to the United States only. Frank Lloyd Wright popularized Usonian, from the abbreviation for United States of North America, and which is used Esperanto (country Usono, demonym Usonano, adjective usona). In the spirit of Sydneysider, Statesider is also sometimes seen. See main article: Names for Americans.
As usual, Wikipedia knows everything about everything. With that said, I think we have a right to refer to ourselves however we want.
Because Spanish class teachers have a finger on the pulse of the sociological feelings of two continents. Where not everyone even speaks Spanish. (What do the Portuguese teachers feel about it?)
Speaking of name appropriation and such, the term "Latin American" was coined by a Frenchman, but has since been appropriated by Spanish- and Portuguese-speakers and never refers to French Canadians.
I speak French and Spanish, so I'm going to offer my unscientific opinion:
Calling oneself étatsunien(ne) just sounds weird. I mean, the Le Monde headline post-9/11 was Nous sommes tous americains, and that's how I've always identified myself in French.
In Spanish, it's not uncommon to use estadounidense, but Mexico is los Estados Unidos Mexicanos, so it's also - technically - not specific. But people know what you mean.
When I was living in Central America, I would tell people I was gringa, and that was usually understood to mean I was from the U.S. Some places use the term more generally, though.
I say we ask Jim Everett
This is a NON-ISSUE. I thought most Canadians don't even like being called Americans because it lumps them in with us.
If you don't like it, then get out!
Hey OP -
What are we the United States of?
This is a non-issue.
Is it arrogant for me to say I went to Michigan considering there's plenty of schools in the state with Michigan in the name?
Anyone know how far back the term "American" has been used to describe people from the US?
People from other countries refer to us as "Americans", too. And everyone, everywhere, knows which country of origin is being described.
As someone else pointed out, we are not simply "The United States" because there are other countries that are "The United States of ____." We are America, The United States of. Therefore it makes sense that we would be called American.
The more proper term would actually be 'Murikan, stemming from the German, 'Murika. The original 'Murikans hailed from an island just off of the coast of Greece named 'Deytuk orjabs.
Are you really bugged by this?
Turn in your Man Card.
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wouldn't calling ourselves "the states" be arrogant? are we the only country with states?
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America. Fuck yeah!
Since America is an unacceptable abbreviation, from now on, our country shall be referred to as The United. UNITED! FUCK YEAH!
Wow, if this bothers you, you are probably one of those guys on this sight that correct punctuation.
At first site I thought you had a great post.
I C what you did there.
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I'm not surprised that Canadians want to be called Americans.
Most countries whose name contains a leading descriptor don't use that leading descriptor in refering to its citizens. Our opponent today, the People's Democratic Republic of Algeria, just calls its people "Algerians." And no one seems to complain when people callPeople's Republic of China calls its citizens "Chinese."
Hell, the formal name of Mexico is the United Mexican States. Wouldn't calling ourselves "the States" be offensive to them? Or to the cItizens of the Federated States of Micronesia? The only word in our nation's name that is unique to us is the word "America." The only reason people find it 'arrogant' to call ourselves Americans is because our name happens to also be the name of part of the continent on which we reside.
Being overseas I remember being called "Yanks" more than "American" (Britain/Australian), also in Canada they would call me "American". In Asia I was an "American". Mexico/San Diego/Miami it was "Gringo". But after foreigners get to know me I hear the term "Ugly American" thrown around.
you are supposed to use the term Real America.
Since we declared our independance from Great Britain, we have always refered to ourselfs as Americans. Canada was not a country yet. No reason we should stop. Dumb Thread, super dumb.
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...but really I'm not. I just think America is the best country and all the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism."-Kenny Powers
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would ever say America? Until South or Central America merge into one country with one name prominently featuring America -- or until Canada becomes the United States of America, North Branch Office -- this is the non-est non-issue in the history of non. People who are offended by US residents declaring themselves as Americans are people who are looking for reasons to be offended.
When I'm abroad, I don't tell people I'm an American or from the US. I say to them I'm a Tennessean, which is much more precise.
Mostly because the rest of the world thinks we're arrogant, inebriated jackasses hell-bent on bombing anyone and everyone we can. Thus, switching to "United States" might not address that slightly larger image problem which is at the root of them not liking the whole "America" thing.
We stand for strippers, booze, medical marijuana, fried donut bacon cheesburgers, religious fundamentalism, don't tread on me flags with badass snakes, the sincere belief that our ideas are better and more important than anyone elses' and, most importantly, the even more sincere belief that disagreeing with our ideas is more than enough justification for a Cruise missle to be sent straight up your ass by a 20 year old kid who kicks the shit out of you in Modern Warfare 3 while plastered on Evan Williams green label and listening to Corrosion of Conformity.
In this context, it is pointless to pretend to worry about whether other people are OK with our nomenclature when we are toppling their democratically elected leaders or anally penetrating them with explosive ordnance on a somewhat regular basis.
Said "inebriated jackasses" have spilled untold volumes of their own, "bacon cheeseburger" infused blood in the defense and liberation of said countries, asking not a thing in return, except for a small plot of land on which to bury our Honored Dead. It would do well if those "other" democratically elected leaders remembered that from time to time.
The Middle East would like to have a word with you.
And we are definitely the only country who has a lot of drugs, sex, and greasy food, too.
Pretty sure we also don't have a monopoly on the "sincere belief that our ideas are better and more important than anyone elses'" either.
The post was purposefully bombastic (apparently that didn't come across) and I'm not saying we have a monopoly on any of those things whether you consider them good or bad, just that those things, combined, are what makes America unique. Where else do you have white religious fundamentalists (and we do seem to have a higher proportion of them than Europe) living side by side with people who go to their local adult establishment to see old whores dancing to white zombie's "american made music to strip by" while jacked up on meth? Or where you can walk down bourbon st. in new orleans plastered next to people who are carrying around gigantic crosses and telling you that youre going to hell? You certainly don't see that kind of stuff anywhere else in the world (i.e. the sometimes flammable mixture of secular and religious, literally at each others necks but somehow not killing each other very often). These disparte elements somehow coexist here and it amazes me that this crazy experiment works even for a short period of time. Far from degrading America, the contradictions in our society are what make us so damn interesting and my point is that we should embrace it, not worry about why it is that someone doesn't like the word America. The contradictions, all living in harmony is what's cool about America.
PS: negbang all you want, but I don't think its crazy to point out the hypocrisy in bombing people and then asking that they like you afterwards.
I don't think you're being misunderstood. You're being negged because your rant would be better served on a political message board than this.
Move to France. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
That wouldn't be very nice to France.
Because of this thread, I will now go out of my way to say "America" whenever appropriate. "USA" or "The Unites States" are no longer a part of my vocabulary.
If you really want to get into political correctness, there are other countries in the world named "United States," so isn't it equally arrogant to refer to us as "the U.S." or "the States"?
And as someone who has several Canadian relatives and friends I can tell you that I've met literally no one in Canada who has a problem with calling us "Americans." Maybe in Spanish or Portuguese there is some ambiguity when you use the word "America," but in the English language - and nearly every other language - there is virtually none.
... Of the whole British vs English debate.
My only regret is that I have but one neg to give to this post.
How can it be perfectly ok to say you are an American and at the same time be arrogant and inappropriate to say you are from America? Make up your mind. Better yet, think before you post. You just wasted internet space and that is a nearly impossible thing to do.