OT - RedWings castoffs
Where you're going with this...
Had we not let Chelios come back for that last, mostly-dreadful season and therefore didn't put Quincey on waivers, the Wings would be in a much different position today. Quincey's a legit top 4 d-man.
Quincey is a sold NHL contributor so not great to just waive him; although I don't know if the Wings "would be in a much different position today".
is a little somewhere between a #3-6 D and it would have been nice to have still had him. I agree, Chelios should have been told to retire, but we would still be looking for another top 4 D, even if Quincey were here. We're looking for someone Stuart or better. I would say Quincey is still below that.
Before he destroyed his shoulder like 19 games into the season.
The problem I had with the Quincey thing is they kept Derek Meech instead. I was never impressed with Meech, at forward or on D.
Hawks letting Kapecky go?
They are dumping everyone, again, this year. I think that's 3 legit players this year along with 5 last year from their champ team.
I guess 8th place was too good -- going for 9th place in 2011-2012.
Last years hawks team was the stanley cup core and a group of scrubs they had to sign for league minimum contracts. Next years team will be that same core plus crawford and whoever they can sign with 15 million in cap space.
After they miss out on Richards they'll be the same core minus Campbell plus a bunch of scrubs. This is a really, really shitty UFA class and the league's bottom feeders all need to find ways to blow $10-20 million dollars to meet the cap floor. I don't think anyone is getting better through free agency this offseason unless they're prepared to spend 6 million/ season on one of a few mediocre players or $2-3 million on bad player.
Had 4th line players playing on the 2nd line, plus injuries forcing them at some points to put 19 year old kids from the rockford team on the ice, and still could have been higher than the 8th seed if the coaches didn't stick with turco for so long. Any player they sign will be an improvement over what they had, and getting rid of campbell was the best move they made all year. This team isn't looking for superstars, they just want role players like they had 2 years ago.
There are literally four forwards in the UFA class that have any kind of skill and Kopecky just got $3 million/year. Good luck with that.
Last Season's numbers
That one hurts me too, but he was a healthy scratch for another organization for a month before he woke up and realized he needed to work to make it in the NHL. I don't know how long it would have taken if it ever happened for the Wings.
I think he needed to know he was being gotten rid of for nothing then sat again for a while to make him come around.
My guess is Filatov sees incredible improvement now that he's moved from the organization which drafted him.Some players just need a wakeup call.
There are always castoffs. It is OK.
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I think you've got the wrong thread, kinger.
honestly, im not sad we lost any of those guys. kopecky was grossly overpaid by florida in an attempt to reach the cap floor. leino hasn't played against great competition, and had the benefit of playing with carter and richards in philly. watch for his goal totals to plummet this year. quincey has improved, but i dont see him fitting into detroits style of play. and being a top any thing for colorado means nothing these days.
plus, would you rather give those minutes to kopecky/leino over drew miller, darren helm, and patrick eaves? i'd much rather have the latter on the ice for the sole fact that they work way harder and are much better penalty killers.
I'm with you on not wanting Kopecky, but I'd definitely take Leino over guys like Abdelkader and Hudler, and probably Miller too.
The Campbell signing was one of the most lolwtf signing ever. Soo much money for essentially a backwinger.
Miller, Helm and Eaves never take a shift off and Helm has the chance to be a solid 2nd liner. Seth9, I disagree about Abdelkader. He skates hard, hits and makes people skate with their heads up. Leino plays when he wants. I'm really hoping Hudler just had an off year and comes around but it is exactly what he did in Russia too.
I respect that Abdelkader plays hard every night but he has very limited offensive skills and, more importantly, he's inconsistent and makes bad decisions way too often for my liking. And while his playoff performance may have simply been a one-time deal, he was truly awful,
I also think that we base our judgments on Leino way too much based on what he did in Detroit and pass over how well he's done with Philly. I can understand the argument that it wasn't wrong to let him go based on his performance here, but he's definitely playing well for the Flyers and if he played that well for us, I'd definitely take him over Hudler and Abdelkader as a 3rd line winger.
Abdelkader plays like a 12 year old with an aggression problem. So many dumb penalties.
Would Leino put up those numbers on a 3rd line? How much PP time could he realistically have gotten? Ya, I'll keep Abdelkader. He has his dumb moments but he plays tough and sticks up for his teammates--something we've lacked for a while.
In the era of the salary cap, part of the thinking must always be: "Is this guy a good value for the money?".
yea, the red wings scouts are just that good.