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July 6th, 2013 at 4:20 PM
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OT: Red Wings to re-sign Cleary [Update: Psyche!!!]

As MGoUser dfetts pointed out below, mlive is stupid sometimes. http://redwingsfront.wordpress.com/2013/07/06/update-cleary-not-close-to-re-signing-with-wings/

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Three years for around $2.6 mil each year. Problem is, the wings are already at their 50-man roster limit, so someone is going to have to be bounced out before Cleary can officially sign.

I don't really understand what the plan is right now. I'm looking at Holland with an "ehh ok not sure where you're going with this but I'll trust you" sort of attitude. I'm interested to see what moves he has in store for the rest of the offseason.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/07/veteran_forward_daniel_cleary.html

"I have three kids and no money. Why can't I have no kids and three money?"

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:22 PM
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Smoked Gouda
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Not a fan of this move. I

Not a fan of this move. I like Cleary, but Wings had better options.

Yum.

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:24 PM
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At that price?

Like who?

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:44 PM
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Brunner

If rumors are true the offered Brunner multiple deals. Seems like he wants a 5 year deal, and wings didn't like that. Also thought at age 27 his ceiling is about what he's already shown.

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:48 PM
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Brunner is a defensive

Brunner is a defensive liability and is way too inconsistent.

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July 6th, 2013 at 9:01 PM
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Brunner played sporadically

Brunner played sporadically well in a strike shortened season and he wanted big money. I would have liked to keep him but I believe Holland made the right move.

Boom.

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July 6th, 2013 at 9:28 PM
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h0ckey87
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lol, a defensive liabitlity.

lol, a defensive liabitlity. Are you of the opionion that Cleary is a top 6 forward too(lol)? I'm sure you're on Holland's side of things and will play "older  veteran leadership" over young speed and talent. In case you or Holland haven't been watching since 2002, the game has changed. It's about speed and size. This whole stay loyal and hope they retire sometime because Detroit loves them. At which point most have overstayed their welcome and should have retired 1-2 years early (Lindstrom being the exception). The point is that the Wings have been bounced from the playoffs for how long now, 1st or 2nd rounds due to a completely different pace in the playoffs and the older wings are unable to adapt. Players like Nyquist, Tatar and Brunner should be on the team and should be seeing playing time over the likes of (lol) top 6 forward Dan Cleary. 

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July 6th, 2013 at 9:58 PM
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Canadian
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OMFG YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!!

Who the fuck is lindstrom? The wings had a Swedish captain who is regarded as one of the best defensemen of all time by the last name of Lidstrom. I can't understand why people pronounce his name with the letter "n" thrown in but to actually type it.... Pathetic... And ranks right up there with people on this board who think the basketball team plays at Chrysler center.

If you spell Crisler like the car company you should hand in your fan card before the next meeting.... Same goes for Ferry Field

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July 7th, 2013 at 8:36 AM
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HermanDaGerman
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well...

If you want to get technical, Lidstrom is actually wrong too. It's Lidström.

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July 7th, 2013 at 4:46 PM
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Canadian
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right...

but how is it spelt on his red wings jerseys? i cant stand it when people, who are trying to sound informed and intelligent, dont know how to spell names of greats

If you spell Crisler like the car company you should hand in your fan card before the next meeting.... Same goes for Ferry Field

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July 7th, 2013 at 10:36 AM
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goblue20111
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First of all, you don't play

First of all, you don't play a defensive liablity on the point on the PP. Second of all, the guy played half an NHL season. I don't think a charge of inconsistency is fair until we have a larger sample size to judge from. Though I do agree the money was too much. 

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:26 PM
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It's already been stated in

It's already been stated in the other threads but Holland obviously has to do some work via the trade market, I wonder what they have in mind for guys like Tatar that are out of options.

Blank.....Blank......You're not looking at the big picture here.

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:31 PM
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Nyquist isn't going anywhere,

Nyquist isn't going anywhere, and ya losing Brunner kinda sucks but we'll see how that situation plays out because he could flame out just as easily as he could become a solid top 6 forward. Tatar looks like he could be the man the Wings are dangling on the trading block, maybe we can get some more depth defensively for him? 

 

Blank.....Blank......You're not looking at the big picture here.

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:28 PM
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Dumb. Not worth the money.

Dumb. Not worth the money.

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:28 PM
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Look for a guy like Tootoo or

Look for a guy like Tootoo or Coliacovo to be amnestied. Also could see Samuelsson if he ever passes his physical.

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:30 PM
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Coliacovo

Coliacovo was already bought out, they did it a few days ago

 

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:33 PM
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TrueBlue25
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Yep

And even if Tootoo is bought out to make room for Cleary, they will still need to open up three spots to make room for Nyquist, Andersson, and Smith.

"I have three kids and no money. Why can't I have no kids and three money?"

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:31 PM
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Coliacovo has already been bought out.*

ss

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:34 PM
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I don't like the move put I

I don't like the move but I saw yesterday on Twitter that Sidney Crosby reached out to cleary to play in Pitt so maybe everyone else sees something I don't...

 

: Sidney Crosby called Daniel Cleary this afternoon to sell Cleary on joining Penguins

facepalm guy stole our firepit 

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:33 PM
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Rush N Attack
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Nope.

Do not want.

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:39 PM
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For all we know Brunner could

For all we know Brunner could be Leino 2.0.  Sure he had a decent first year in the league but he could of also topped out potential wise at his age too.

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:52 PM
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Stike A Pose
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Leino didn't have a good 1st

Leino didn't have a good 1st year (55 games, 11 pts) but he had an incredible 2nd year (81 games, 53 pts.)  The point being, and I've said this before, Holland doesn't want to give up prospects for players like Ryan or Nash but he wants to sign or re-sign these old vets (Alfredsson 40, Cleary 35) and keep pushing these prospects back in the minors.  To me, it doesn't make any sense to say to no to trading for a big name player only to bring back guys like Cleary and push guys like Nyquist and Andersson back to the AHL. 

It also bugs me when Jim Nill leaves Detroit and shows he isn't afraid to make major moves in Dallas.  That's just me though.  I'm obviously no NHL GM.

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July 6th, 2013 at 4:54 PM
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You certainly bring up good

You certainly bring up good points and most of us would agree with you but they certainly gave Columbus a great offer for Nash. I'm not sure you can call Holland out for the Blue Jackets hesitation to trade their star to a divisional rival.

Blank.....Blank......You're not looking at the big picture here.

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:00 PM
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Would have to check

Would have to check Nyquist but Tatar is out of options and will either be on the Wings or traded to a team who can put him on their NHL roster. I don't think you can compare Nill in Dallas to Holland. Dallas was a .500 team and NEEDED to make substantial changes moving forward. Wings are retooling not rebuilding.

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July 6th, 2013 at 6:10 PM
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Hmmmmm...

It's possible that Jim Nill's role has been understated, interesting to see McDonnel's loss impact...

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:01 PM
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dfetts
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Update

Looks like Cleary hasn't been re-signed and its not even close.

http://redwingsfront.wordpress.com/2013/07/06/update-cleary-not-close-to...

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:03 PM
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^ What faster fingers said

Detroit media might not know all that much about what's going on here, conflicting reports coming out now: 

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/well-what-the-f-then-now-pleiness-reports-that-the-red-wings-arent-close-to?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I'm in the boat with what seems to be the rest of you: Nyquist, Tatar, and Andersson on a line together. 

My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating. 

 

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:03 PM
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The Wings have to be

The Wings have to be positioning themselves to trade multiple players to add a top d-man. At least that's my hope now that Bobby Ryan has been dealt.

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July 6th, 2013 at 7:04 PM
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Not sure how you can call him soft, Cleary

has played through a ton of injuries with the Wings and has been a guy willing to get to the front of the net and take a beating for screens/deflections. Not to mention he will dish out a hit given the chance. I would rather keep the younger guys as well instead of an resigning Cleary due to his age, but Cleary has been a very solid and gritty performer for the Wings in his time here.

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July 6th, 2013 at 6:03 PM
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Rewatch Hawks/Wings series

Cleary was throwing Bickell off his game for the majority of the series. Doing so by not being soft in front of the net

Bo' Money Bo' Problems

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July 6th, 2013 at 6:09 PM
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Honestly, you must not watch

Honestly, you must not watch much hockey if you think Cleary is soft. He might not have elite talent, but he's plenty tough

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July 6th, 2013 at 8:19 PM
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Ya

Wow, dudes got some serious scars, I would take two steps away from him before I call him soft...

Go Blue or Go Home

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July 7th, 2013 at 10:42 AM
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I remember watching the

I remember watching the Oiler's series back in 06. It was Stevie Y's final year and I think Cleary's first. We were badly getting outplayed in all facets. Cleary went into a corner to battle Pronger and absolutely got smoked by him but he forever earned my respect after that. 

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:22 PM
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Are the Wings in trouble?

The loss of key managerial personnel, a GM who has made some questionable decisions in recent years, and a team that was at odds with its coach for much of the season. It seems things are trending downward in Hockeytown.

"...Learn when to shut up. I myself see my star;it is that which guides me.Don't pit your feeble and in

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:30 PM
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coldnjl
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What? Do yo u watch

What? Do yo u watch hockey....The team isn't elite like it used to be, but made a great playoff run this year. They have young talent and well under the salary cap, which allowed them to bring in a veteran leader on a cap friendly deal, and a playmaking center. They will most likely trade some of their forwards for defenseman. I don't see any glaring issues with how the team is run. 

People give Holland crap for not landing the big fish, but Parise and Suter took outlandish deals from their home team. We couldn't, and shouldn't have, outbid the Wild. A sizeable offer was out there for Nash, but as was stated earlier, Columbus didn't want to trade him to a division rival. 

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:38 PM
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SalvatoreQuattro
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It was a honest question.

Apparently asking questions causes people to become OUTRAGED and to label you a troll.

Losing your best scouts is kind of a big deal which is why I asked the question. 

"...Learn when to shut up. I myself see my star;it is that which guides me.Don't pit your feeble and in

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:58 PM
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I really have no idea

where you got the team being at odds with coach thing, I haven't heard that from any type of decent source. And no 97.1 is not a legimate source.

Also I fail to see how a team with good young talent, beating the number 2 seed and nearly elimating the number 1 seed as well, in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year, is trending downward. That is flat out silly.

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July 6th, 2013 at 6:15 PM
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Heh.

But my Leafs almost beat Boston in the first round who lost in the cup final....I never understood the speculative almost nature of hockey analysis but its there in every market.

If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone

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July 6th, 2013 at 7:23 PM
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But.. The Leafs still lost in

But.. The Leafs still lost in the first round and the Wings beat the 2 seed. The Wings exceeded expectations by a lot. However, point taken. The "almost beat the Champion Blackhawks" doesn't count for much.

"And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan."

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July 7th, 2013 at 10:44 AM
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goblue20111
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What? Nill wants to move up

What? Nill wants to move up on the career ladder. People come and go all the time. And btw Andersson is our best scout.  

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:48 PM
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Define Trouble.

Last I saw, the Wings beat the number 2 seed and took the eventual Stanley Cup winning Blackhawks (Number 1 seed) to 7 games and OT.  And that was a "Rebuilding Team."  I don't think you can possibly name a better sports organization than the Red Wings.

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:51 PM
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Good to know you're a fan of

Good to know you're a fan of 97.1 The Ticket.

My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating. 

 

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July 6th, 2013 at 6:46 PM
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I was just about to post this

I was just about to post this exact thing!

"Michigan Defense" is dominating everything, in every aspect of life. That's a rough definition.

-Craig Roh 10/29/2011

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July 6th, 2013 at 6:26 PM
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Cowboy Cody
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Say what??

You sure you didn't mean to comment on a Pistons post? Wings are the class of the league when it comes to GM and coach.

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July 6th, 2013 at 9:05 PM
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bronxblue
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For a team that hasn't missed

For a team that hasn't missed the post season in two decades, you sure do have a dim view of them.

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July 7th, 2013 at 9:02 AM
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Hi Drew.

Hi Drew.

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email me for advertising | Alias: @Misopogon

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:38 PM
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Center Ice
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Brunner

They're not going to pay Brunner what he wants, it would be a mistake and he's crazy to ask for it. He wants to be paid way more than a 27 year old rookie with half a season is going to get.

Holland isn't dumb. Plenty of players preform well when there isn't a scouting report on them, but when the film catches up how will he play?

 

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July 6th, 2013 at 8:15 PM
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I tend to side with you

I was nervous at first about the prospect of losing him, especially quickly, but it seems other teams share the view that he may want more than he's proved he's worth...

Go Blue or Go Home

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July 6th, 2013 at 5:51 PM
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JamieH
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Competitive

It's not like the Wings weren't competitive this year.  If they win one more game against Chicago, they would have had a great shot at winning the cup.

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July 6th, 2013 at 8:12 PM
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Mike420GoBlue
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Just needed

One shot to go in, and they would've been on to the conference finals. Took the team that won it all to 7 games, and ot. Wings vs Kings would have been more interesting than Chi v LA, but I think the Kings were done anyway.

Go Blue or Go Home

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July 6th, 2013 at 6:05 PM
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MichiganStudent
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Please please please don't

Please please please don't sign cleary. That would be an awful move. Either get Brunner or go status quo

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