landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
OT - Red Wings game 3 not on Versus
Completely agree on Versus coverage, but for those of us outside of Michigan, watching on Versus is better than trying to find a stream online.
Holey moley, bingo bango, get her going boys, lay the lumber, johnny on the spot, heads to his office, blew a tire and Holey Mackerel!
If San Jose's going to be diving like swans, I at least want good ol' Mickey complaining about it right along with me.
"There's no room for a nervous person down there."
If diving were an event at the Winter Olympics, San Jose would be going for gold.
The are joining it in progress after the other game so you will probably be able to see the end.
Really? And I thought I was done with this once I didn't have to deal with the NHL incorrectly blacking out Versus because they thought I was supposed to get FSN Arizona.
oh good, the second half of the last period. that should really satisfy the red wings monkey on my back.
why does this day continue to kick me in the nuts?!
Maybe we'll get a win in triple overtime tonight so you can watch the equivalent of an entire game.
Speaking as someone in the Detroit viewing area:
The joined in progress thing sucks. I'm a hawks fan, and i missed an entire game when the early game when OT, and last night i missed 3 goals with the damn rolling coverage.
In terms of the Versus camera work, i've noticed that they show the play MUCH better on the HD channel than their non HD. Granted, my HDTV is much bigger/better than my other TV, but... yeah, theyre not shooting for square TVs.
Ah, I hadn't realized that about the TV shot. You're damn right!
Versus is still really really bad at covering penalties. Fox Sports gives you a "delayed penalty" graphic, and usually shows you the infraction. Versus just keeps watching play and maaaaybe mentions that Nabokov has gone to the bench after 30 seconds or so. They don't replay most penalties -- you're just supposed to accept that it happened.*
* kind of like the officials.
continues to grow unabated. Why wouldn't they just have NHL-N carry the TSN feed so people can see the entire game? Bettman is an ass-clown of the highest order.
I found the TSN feed on justin.tv last time...hoping to do the same tonight (or a FSD feed).
Game 4 on Thursday is also JIP on Versus.......ANGRY
If you are going to join the games in progress, why not start the game at 8:00 or 8:30 so we can see at least half of the games??
Also, agree completely with the NHL Network comment above. NBA does it with NBA TV for first round games. NHL is the only major league to not have every playoff game on national television (including college football and now college hoops). Rediculous that Round 2 games are not available everywhere.
Look at atdhe.com and channelsurfing.net. I live with a bunch of poor college students and we went with internet and no cable, so those two sites have been lifesavers.
None of the Pens games are joined in progress, but all the other series are. Someone called Versus asking them why this is and the woman said " The NHL tells us which games to air and that all Penguins games are to be shown live". Bettman has to much time invested in the Pens for it to be any other way.
they ARE the defending Stanley Cup Champions and could very well repeat. It's not like Pittsburgh is a small market and for this series in particular their opponent is the polar opposite of a small market. I'm sure it's partly to do with Gary's championing of Crosby and the Pens as his model franchise, but there are legitimately good reasons to air the Pens. The Detroit/Pittsburgh markets are probably about a wash (though Gary would go with the Pens, if it there was only one team obviously) but there is absolutely no contest between San Jose and Montreal. None. Not even close. So as dumb as Detroit fans think it is, in this case, you can't really complain, it makes sense.
EDIT: That doesn't excuse NHL-Network, they really probably have no reason to not borrow FSNs feed, unless FSN won't let them.
i think its not as much complaining about the coverage as it is the feeling:
fuck the penguins and fuck gary bettman.
with the Pens as a team, other than Gary. But I do hate Gary, wholeheartedly. Is it bad of me to wish upon him a heart attack? Or a seizure? Or really fast acting cancer? Or a car accident? Or spontaneous combustion? Or aliens killing/abducting him? Or asphyxiation? Or drowning? Or someone just bitch-slapping him to death? Or having his neck/wrists cut by a skate blade? Or if you've watched 24, having Sherry Palmer just flat out bitch him to death? Or any other process that results in his permanent incapacitation or demise? Is it worse to want to participate in any of said activities?
When the Wings were defending champs, I don't believe they were on Versus everytime. However I'm not 100 % certain.
I really don't care if it is on Versus, I prefer FSD. Not just because they are the Wings announcers, but because Versus coverage blows. They can't follow the puck, they put banners up during gameplay that get in the effn way. They're announcers are not good at all. Why can't they get someone good in the booth. I'd much rather watch Chi/Van than Pitts/Mon and i'm lucky to get CBC.
The whole point is the NHL is trying to cram Pittsburgh down everyone's throat. Not just this year either. Washington is the same way, just not as bad as Pitt.
Montreal is in Canada. Canadians have their own TV networks. People up there tend to like watching hockey. They're probably watching on Canadian TV. Versus is a non-factor for the Montreal market.
This is the US. Detroit and San Jose and both US cities with larger TV markets than Pittsburgh.
There's absolutely no excuse for the Wings game to not be on TV.
Fuck this shit I don't want to watch the Penguins.
myp2pforum.eu has high quality websops with streams from all feeds (wings, sharks, and versus). take your pick, and watch. the only downside is a delay of about a minute. so if you're parked in the open thread, you might get news of a goal from fellow mgobloggers before seeing it in game.
honestly, i'm thrilled to be able to watch a wings feed and listen to ken and mickey instead of having to hear the versus announcers give the sharks a reach around every 5 minutes.
find the link on ptp but i found this one that works:
edit: apparently its the same website
I'm in Chicago with RCN cable and I'm pretty pissed I had to order Versus, first of all, and hard to order it as part of a sports channel pack. I can deal with that, fine, but then I hardly get the Red Wings games anyway which really perturbs me.
Some of the other ones linked wouldn't work for me, but this one works great.
Thanks for the link
We deserve this goal if only to make up for the horse shit calls from the first two games.
refs 1, wings 0.
fuck this shit
I'm officially done watching this game already. I cannot believe how pathetic the officitiating has been and will continue to be. Its sad really
I can't watch the game. Was this really that bad of a call or what?
In a word: yes. The ref called a goal, and there really wasn't enough to overturn it. But what else is new in this series?
overturn that, bitch
Apparently, the NHL decided that the goal was too obvious to steal from us.
13:33, Tomas Holmstrom 4 (Johan Franzen, Nicklas Lidstrom)
Mule takes it around behind the net, centers it to Homer who's parked at the front of the crease. Puck deflects off of his (stationary) skate and in.
Fucking refs tried to take it upstairs. Goal stands.
Its a MIRACLE, they got something right?
I want to know how that goal was good yet Z's was bad. Unreal. Should probably be 3-0 right now if it wasn't for Homer getting a penalty for staring at SJ the wrong way.
EDIT: I also would like to know how teams get away with cheap shots against the Wings after the whistle, yet Detroit gets called for it. Amazing.
1 : the act or process of slashing
2 : the act of getting knocked to the ice and not doing anything in retaliation whatsoever
feed went kerplunk
For the fucking Sharks. They aren't even a rival but I really hate them. It's much like the hatred I have for Illinois.
I hate the refs much more than the sharks. I don't consider my hatred irrational though
cue obligatory sharks pp.
Sj defender covered the puck with his glove in the crease.
zetterberg took the shot, saved by nabokov.
please skate now
18:37, Danny Cleary 2 (Drew Miller, Henrik Zetterberg)
Cleary rockets a one-timer from the left slot past Nabokov on the feed from Miller.
Sorry, double post
ehh...Howard should have stopped that....
Howard should've had that one. That sucks
talk about "momentum". That's the biggest BS ever.
Why have 3 periods or 4 quarters?
Just give the win to leader after 1.
Sure Howard should have stopped it, but they shouldn't have even let setoguchi even get a shot off in that position ...
does it seem to anyone else like they just dont want it this year?
Setoguchi sneaks one by Howard just as the period is ending.
Assists to Pavelski and Clowe.
Fuck, fuck, fuck.
We absolutely DOMINATED that period. However, the turning points were...
- Hank getting stopped on the penalty shot.
- Howard giving up a goal in the final seconds.
It should be our game, 3-0. But instead, it's 2-1. We need to come out with a fury to make damn sure those two moments don't come back to haunt us.
Let's go, boys!
yay you're back! my subpar pbp skills can rest!
There is absolutely no way you can allow that goal at ANY point, let alone with 1.8 seconds left in the period. You cannot allow that to get through you.
I was sure they were going to review that. What a nice surprise.
Woo! FIGHT! End of the 2nd period of the Pens/Habs is going to have at least one or two penalties called for it. 3 fights were going on.
If we could get Hank going in the series, it would be huge. He was quiet the first two games.
Third Red Wings Penalty, Second Legitimate Red Wings Penalty
the dude grabed and held on to bertuzzi's stick.
Still, they're going to call that every time. Bertuzzi should know better, but at least he didn't try to kill anyone
Bertuzzi knows thats how they have been calling the games, so he can't put himself in that position. He can't poke his stick in there and give the guy the opportunity to grab his stick and cry for a hook. That's why Babcock was upset with the call. Bertuzzi has to play smarter.
booted off of justin.tv now watching on
in checkoslovakian I think
actually the european feed has better video.
So I muted it and am watching it and listing to the american feed.
Lots of PC memory = win!
This one is working for me. In English.
a pirate's life for me!
any news on this?
Took it off the collarbone, it looked like. He was back out there shortly thereafter.
The guy pulled Ericsson down on top of him, but Ericsson cant have his hands on the guys like that. Can't give him the opportunity. DAMMIT!!
Another great kill from our boys!
LAY THE HAMMER DOWN, NOW! SCORE, SCORE, SCORE!
jumped off my pizza on the screen.
Looks like another puck.
I need a wipe.
that was a pretty good call. franzen had the stick between the legs
Wake up wings... looking sluggish
Damnit, really have to pick it up now.
Win a fucking faceoff.
And stop turtling!
Versus had the decency to defer broadcasting to the local fox sports affiliate. How many times do I have to watch the fucking Joe Thornton goal replayed?
after an uncalled offsides. Fuck the Earth.
well if wings lose tonight they have no one to blame but themselves...
This is pitiful
God damnit. Another soft goal
Not what we need from Howard when down 2-0. Not to mention the generally awful play this period.
Another fucking penalty. What a joke
Thomas Holmstrom, that was stupid.
are you fucking kidding me
Season pretty much right here...
holy shit, a shark just fell over without a penalty. that just happened
I hate blaming the officials for losses, but the officiating in this series has been atrocious and they are handing the Sharks the series
6 Detroit penalties to 2 SJ penalties. 1 of those Detroit penalties happened 6 secs into a SJ penalty. So it's pretty much 5-1. Amazing...
Pavel Datsyuk ever again, versus announcers. Please. One has had nice little run lately. The other is a hall of famer if he plays another half decade. Fuck.
LOL HOW can the announcers try to justify that call? HOW
This game is going to end 4-3.
twice we had two goal leads. one goal waved off and a missed opportunity on a penalty shot. now were going to OT and i hate it when the wings go to OT.
looked horrible the entire third period, San Jose deserves to have scored twice, at least. The calls in this game haven't been anywhere near as bad as the first two games, at least you can almost pretend that some of them are right, if you close one eye squint and tilt your head just right. I don't understand why the NHL has a diving rule if they don't use it. I don't understand why Nabokov is a goalie when he's a sure gold-medalist diver. I don't understand why the Wings have looked like crap in third periods more often than not this year. Especially with a lead. Even the games we've held on to, we've generally been outscored in the third, from the games I'm remembering right now. I hope Babcock is laying the wood right now.
Need to jump on these bastards right off the bat.
Jason Williams is a god damned waste of cap space.
that is all
Your headlines for tomorrow:
"Wings get wronged by officials again"
"Earth continues to rotate"
"Old man yells at cloud"
Time to root for the Montreal Fighting Cammalleris, the Boston Hunwicks and the Chicago Maddens I guess...
i refuse to root for chicago anythings. fuck the blackhawks.
and fuck the penguins.
I'm going to start drinking now.
it just isn't your year. Stupid "The Daily Line." What the fuck is this show? What do these prissy boy middle class cocks know about sports or gambling? Fuck.
Well mise well play Ozzie game 4 imo. What do we have to lose? Howard obviously isnt getting the job done, and honestly not even close to what you have to expect from a Red Wings goalie. I understand that its not all him but he has allowed way to many easy goals to give the Red Wings a legitimate chance at the cup. I would like to see Ozzie in net in Game 4, see if he has any playoff majic left in the tank.
Maybe if they actually skated they'd win a game.
Wings didn't deserve to win. Outplayed once the 3rd period whistle started, no excuses
to anyone who wants to see ozzie in the net - baaaad idea. howard has earned the role to this date. even ozzie had his rough patches (against the sharks no less). jimmah's a young goalie. this is a learning experience. tossing him on the bench will do nothing but hurt this franchise. our chances of winning this series are slim (from a statistical standpoint). right now, its important to build for the future. keep howard out there, let him do his thing. it's better for the franchise in the long run.
plus, you really wanna see a rusty ozzie in net?
I'm with you--Jimmy's had his down moments, but he was clearly The Guy this year, and you've gotta give him playoff experience sometime. I don't know what our exact expectations were this year, but after that first half, (just like Michigan, actually), I think advancing this far is a small victory. Plus, the defense and many turnovers/blown faceoffs have really, really hung him out to dry. Regardless of what happens this year, you come back out with him next year battle-tested in the playoffs but with hopefully more talent (including the much-needed return of Hudler)
Hockey can kiss my ass this year. First the refs literally take a win away from Michigan and give it to Miami, then Detroit gets absolutely reamed MULTIPLE times. Die in a fire, angry Michigan sports-hating god.
The best part of Jason Williams ran down his moms leg. Why did that moron go high there. Go low and put it off his pads. He had three guys pretty deep who coulda put a rebound in if it came to him. I forgot why I didnt' like that guy, and I remember now. All offense and no D in his game.
If you're banishing former Wings who came back for a second tour of duty, send Bertuzzi packing with him, please
At least Bertuzzi has had some semblence of contribution this year. Bert, Miller, Lebda, those are the guys that have to make little contributions here and there because of the salary cap. Wiliams hasn't doen jack to gain shit man.
The only thing that Bert does that pisses me off is that damn one hand on the stick behind the net. Williams hasn't done dick, thats why his was on the bench after game 1 of the Phoenix series. That was a 1.5 million dollar mistake.
Random thoughts that are random (and probably repeated):
1. Jason Williams can fuck off. At least Mikael Samuelsson OCCASIONALLY hit the net with his wild ass shots. Why in god's name was he signed? And why was he inserted into the lineup with Eaves out? It's okay to play seven defensemen, Babs...nobody's gonna be mad.
2. Howard was crap last night (I cannot accurately express my utter disgust on the first and third goals he gave up), but it is what it is. The whole "losing before you can win" addage is real. He will experience the pain of losing a playoff series, and being on the ice when his team is eliminated, and he'll be better for it. Putting Osgood in now would be a) way, way, WAY too late, and b) useless. Babcock's not dumb. He wanted to get Ozzie more work in the regular season, but couldn't, because Ozzie's competitive fire is fading (he's been out of shape pretty much all year), and the team plays differently when he's in the goal. They don't trust him anymore, and that's a death knell for a goalie in hockey.
3. The Red Wings are in a spiral eeriely similar to the Pistons' demise. Win a championship, come up one game short of repeating the next year, and then spend every moment after each postseason loss talking about how nobody's worried and everybody knows what they have to do. The names on the jerseys are mostly the same, but this looks nothing like the team that won the Stanley Cup 23 months ago in Pittsburgh, especially the defense. Lidstrom is still playing at a high level, save for a few gaffes. Rafalski has always been a good skater, a great PP defenseman and a smart player, but never one to go down and block a shot (...or a pass on a 2-on-1). Kronwall and Stuart both bring physicality, they both scrap in the corners, and despite a lot of fans' anger, they're both steady. They're the type who rarely receive praise because their work isn't flashy and thus goes unnoticed, but they get lit up by fans because their mistakes are obvious and often disastrous. And yet, it all seems so off now. Battles aren't being won, passes aren't as crisp, turnovers are more common. These guys didn't just start to suck overnight. Is it something about Brad McCrimmon failing at life? Or...are they getting complacent and lazy like the Pistons did? The Pistons went from the top of the world in 2004, universally praised for their hard work, defense and work ethic, to being a shell of themselves under Flop within just a couple of years. It was the same core roster, but they looked entirely different. The Pistons were ruined by the weight of their own egos. They believed their past accomplishments allowed them to skip putting the work in to prepare for hard-working teams like Cleveland and Boston. I shudder to think that the same thing could possibly be going on with the Red Wings.
4. I'm very, very afraid of what the future holds. If Lidstrom doesn't retire after this season, he almost certainly will after next season. Rafalski is getting long in the tooth too, and will probably be put out to pasture once his contract expires. Once they're gone, there is a huge, HUGE gap at the top of the Wings' blueline. Kronner and Stewie are very reliable #3 and #4 defensemen, but neither are top two material. So who fills the gap? There's no money to spend (not now, anyway). Are they banking on the light going on for Jonathan Ericsson? Are they hoping that Kindl and Smith pan out like they're expected to? That's an awful lot of hope in a Western Conference full of teams with an absurd amount of talent under 30. One miss on the blueline development by Detroit, and they could easily be buried behind Chicago, San Jose, Vancouver, and Phoenix/Los Angeles. The thought of a 30 year old Jiri Fischer on the blueline sounds so good right about now - fate is not a Red Wings fan.
5. Overall, I can't help shaking the feeling that the window is closed for now on another Red Wings' Cup. The West is just so deep now, and with all sorts of question marks defensively, I think it'll be a few years at least until Detroit returns to the Finals.
The big difference that I see between that Pistons team and the Red Wings is that the Pistons weren't believed to be loaded with talent. I am hoping that this loss will galvanize the Wings and give them some motivation in the off season that has been lacking since 2007. After all the injuries, they had 102 points in the regular season. Hudler is coming back and they'll probably have some cap room on top of that. Some guys this year aren't old, but they were way better in past playoffs (e.g. Franzen, Helm, Cleary).
how many players are actually walking wounded. The guys that came back from injury - did they come back at 80%? 90%? Are the injuries flaring up again under the intensity of the playoffs?
How many guys are a step or two slow due to a nagging injury? How many will end up with off-season surguries?
It's near-impossibly difficult for any team in any sport to make it to the finals 3 years in a row. The depth into the playoffs they have went the last two years makes it like they have played an extra 1/2 season more than most teams.