Here's the article from MLIVE:
It will be good to have him around for the playoff push considering the physical state of Zetterberg and Datsyuk.
Here's the article from MLIVE:
It will be good to have him around for the playoff push considering the physical state of Zetterberg and Datsyuk.
Datsyuk is on the shelf for 3 weeks, per Holland :-(
Looks like a good idea if we can sign him to an extension.
I'm of course assuming the player we traded away was *not* one of the top Grand Rapids prospects.
Top 5 in Redwings system in the first site I looked at. But the wings are loaded with prospect forwards. Needed one that could contribute now.
The rumor is that Jankrok wasn't happy sitting in the minors and was going to go back to Sweden.
Legwand becomes the 2nd grad from Grosse Pointe North to play for the Red Wings. Go North!
You don't see those pansies from South producing Red Wings.
Man that chart is ugly. I count 115-333 from two-point land not under the net. Wow that's bad.
Seriously though, North has had a better tradition of producing top-level Hockey players. And this is coming from a South student.
Well we all know why the ACT scores are not, um, balanced.
1st GPN grad to wear the winged wheel: Jimmy Carson. Who I pitched batting practice to as a youngster.
For those who don't want to click through:
The deal is Legwand for Patrick Eaves, Calle Jarnkrok and a 3rd round pick. Legwand is a FA at the end of the year.
Is he unrestricted or restricted?
Only younger players (less than 27 years or 7 seasons in the league) can be restricted free agents, as a way of protecting your draft choices/prospects. He's wayyyy unrestricted.
High'ish price for a rental. Although knowing Holland he will be extended. He stated the wings were not going to get a rental.
according to the comments in that article the other player is calle jarnkrok http://www.griffinshockey.com/team/roster/index.html?player_id=229
we definetely needed help with zetters, datsyuk, weiss, and helm all injured. IDK if we would keep legwand around next season if everybody gets healthy especially with sheahan, glendening and anderson all able to fill the 3rd/4th center roll. ideally in my opinion with everybody healthy we would have:
zetters datsyuk franzen
abby weiss/helm nyquist
jurco sheanhan tatar
andersson helm/weiss miller
Not sure you can rely on him in any form or fashion. Really like his game but cannot stay healthy. Might be time to just part ways.
Jarnkrok should have brought a first line center. Our at least someone more than legwand. I think the Wings way undersold him.
Legwand has 40 points on a team that is 27th in the league in goals scored. And that would be good enough for 2nd in scoring on the Wings' current roster.
Seems like a bit of an overpay but if they can keep Legwand around I don't think it's too bad.
Seems like Holland's making moves just to keep the playoff streak alive, which is fine with me. This team is not winning a cup with all these injuries, but without doing something they probably weren't headed for the playoffs this year. We'll see if Legwand can affect that at all. I lean towards no unfortunately.
Screw that. I'd rather miss the playoffs for a year and keep our best prospects for when the vets hang it up.
Holland works for Mike Illitch, who's 84 and doesn't know how many years he has left. I think he's justified in being short term oriented.
Apparently Vancouver requested Tatar, Nyquist, and Anthony Mantha for Edler (or Kesler) depending on what report you read. Which is WAY TOO MUCH, but many top defenseman were over priced at this deadline.
I'm seriously at a loss for words with this trade. Calle Jarnkrok may have been the Red Wings best all around prospect. He is a 22 year old sweedish playmaker who has been compared to Zetterberg on more than one occation. The fact that we just traded him away for a 32 year old center (that isn't THAT good), who is a free agent at the end of the year is an unbelievable overpayment. Compare this trade to LA trading a 2nd and 3rd round pick along with a 26 year old winger with 6 points this year for Gaborik, and MTL sending a comparable package to NYI for Thomas freakin' Vanek as the Wings did for Legwand. Holland got utterly fleeced in a moment of desperation with the injuries piling up.
This team is going nowhere in the playoffs and they just traded a top prospect and draft pick for a rental. Holland is the most overrated GM in sports
Jarnkrok is far from the wings best prospect. He was far on the depth chart due to Sheahan's development. I am fine with this trade.
I said he was a "top prospect" which he was. We traded him and a 2nd or 3rd round pick for an impening free agent center that will at best get us to a first round playoff loss. Horrible
Your view that Ken Holland "is the most overrated GM in sports" is contrary to popular opinion. I get that not every signing or trade has panned out well (Weiss, for example), but given Detroit's success since 1996, I think he's one of the best GMs in any sport. Not that Sports Illustrated's opinion is dispositive, but they had him RANKED as the second best GM in all of sports for the 2000s, including NCAA ADs. He can't just wish for high draft picks every year, especially given their perrenial playoff team status.
Do you have a counterargument? Or is your post more of an emotional reaction to a trade you don't like? (One counterargument would be that the same SI article had Joe Dumars ranked as No. 9 overall, which, like ... yeesh.) By most measures Holland's stewardship of the Wings seems to have been very solid.
made since Hossa? Holland rode the coatails of Develano and Scotty to all those cups. Since then cap has been instituted he has been revealed as being a one trick pony and having no balls in the new cap enviroment.
I don't know if I'm ready to call Holland overrated, but his performance over the last couple years has opened him up to criticism. The scouting department of the Wings is still second to none (they sit at the lower end of the top 10 in farm systems), But the FA acquisitions he has made over the last couple years have been terrible. He has struck out on his last few attempts to jump into the trade market.
Also his tendancy of holding on to veterans until the wheels fall off almost cost them a playoff spot last year, and may do it this year. The fact that Tatar wasted away in Grand Rapids last year in favor of Samuelson, and Nyquist was absent the first month of this season because he wanted Cleary back are puzzling at best.
I agree that Holland's not made the noise the past couple years that he did earlier in his career, but it is a different environment with the new cap structure. But I don't mind the Mike Modano signing one bit, just as an example.
What you overlook is that Holland has kept the core of a great team together: Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, Johan Franzen, Niklas Kronwall and Jimmy Howard come to mind. Keeping the Eurotwins on the roster in particular is a great bit of management. And he helped keep Niklas Lidström engaged in the team for many years while Lidström's family wanted to move to Sweden.
I think it's a mistake to focus primarily on trades and free agent signings, when the Wings run one of the top scouting/draft departments in sports, and tend to their own quite well.
If you think Ken Holland is overrated, you don't pay very close attention to the rest of the league and don't understand how difficult it is to be as consistent as the Wings have been the last 20+ years, especially with the implementation of the salary cap. When the cap was implemented, everyone in hockey expected the Wings to suffer more than anyone else. Instead, they have slowly retooled their roster from stocked with Hall of Famers to a younger, faster lineup while winning a cup, going to another finals, and never missing the playoffs. Only the Sharks and Wings have made the playoffs every year since the lockout.
Look at the top teams in the league right now. Pitt, Chicago, St. Louis, Boston - all of them sucked at some point in the last 10 years and piled up high draft picks as a result. Toews, Kane, Crosby, Malkin - all top 10 picks. Holland has NEVER had that luxury and has had to use player development and timely acquistions to keep the Wings competitive. And it has worked, if not for injuries, they would once again be right in the mix come playoff time (and they still might).
Because we both have Chris Farley avatars-good call and love your name. Regarding hockey, I tend to agree with your points above. Although, Columbus' trade wasn't as beneficial as people think. Gaborik has been hurt most of the year. In addition, he really hasn't played well since being traded-his point totals just aren't that good. I guess there's always that potential that he'll turn into his old form, but, after watching him for a year, I just don't see that happening. Columbus didn't get a great return for Gaborik but they didn't get hosed either.
It's unrealistic to point to the Vanek trade as a knock on Holland and Gaborik is one of the most injury prone players in the NHL.
The only reason Montreal got Vanek was because Garth Snow drove such a high asking price that every team declined. When there was no time left to trade a player that they had to trade, the Islanders took the only deal left.
Who else would they have traded for?
I wouldn't point to Vanek as a knock on Holland, Garth Snow is a boob who is incredibly over his head. That doesn't change the fact that Holland overpaid for a decent player who isn't gonna change a thing come playoff time if people are still hurt.
Personally, I was ok with making a mid level move if the price was a mid round pick along with Callahan or Ferraro as they are out of options in Grand Rapids next year, and probably don't have a spot in Detroit. The wings have a logjam of forward prospects right now, and some of them have to go, but Jarnkrok could have brought a far better return.
There was a lot of potential traded this week, but only a handful of proven commodities. I have no problem seeing Holland sit on what they, rather than giving up assets to try and make a playoff push.
As for the the Vanek trade, that may go down as one of the worst trades in NHL history. Not only do they trade Moulson, they end up losing Vanek for nothing and the pick they gave up to Buffalo will probably be used to draft a once in a generation talent in McDavid or Eichel.
Sat next to he and Zetterberg a few years ago at the season opening UConn game.His dad has season tix.
A bunch of Wings come to the first home game every year right before training camp starts for them. Legwand always came with his dad. They are huge M fans for sure.
There must have been truth to the rumors that Jarnkrok had threatened to leave for Brynas.
— George Malik (@georgemalik) March 5, 2014
Why not bring the kid up next year? We finally lose a lot of veteran dead weight this off season so why not promote one of of our best prospects? Just another terrible trade by Kenny
Well who is he going to play over at C? Datsyuk, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan/Glendening are your 4 C's and Jarnkrok isn't going to get called up for 4th line minutes. Now obviously you can argue that Helm and Weiss won't be healthy (totally valid) but he still probably wouldn't get top 6 minutes so there really isn't a reason to have him up here.
Kenny certainly has his faults and these last few years have shown that, but the Wings are in transition and are still playing competitive hockey. I mean shit they had the SC champs on the ropes last year and were a goal away from the Conference Finals....so obviously Holland has some idea of what he's doing.
This is frustrating. First of all, Jarnkrok's nickname is IronHook, how badass is that? But really, I'm assuming Ken Holland knows something about his intentions to head back to Sweden if he stayed in the AHL.
I remember watching Legwand on the Whalers as a kid back in the day. He's aging, but at 33 still should hopefully have some productivity in him. Wings need it right away to make this playoff push.
I think this trade is conditional also, if we do make the playoffs we give up a higher round pick. Guess this assumes Legwand is the difference-maker. We'll see...
First of all, yes that nickname is indeed amazing but Kukla's Korner keeps tweeting out information that Jarnkrok was really holding the Wings over the coals to get called up or he's leaving. So what do you do in that situation?
It's tough but they got something for him and most likely would attempt to re-sign Legwand for a 2-3 year deal. The pick becomes a 2nd rounder if the Wings make the playoffs to, so like I said it seems like an overpay but if Jarnkrok was indeed leaving then it was probably worth it.
Right right, I agree. I guess the best news is that it was an opponent in the West.
If we are stuck with a guy who gives us the ultimatum but we can't make room for him, then we have to try to get any value out of him that we can. For the Preds, he will probably make the big club much sooner (maybe this year?) than if he stayed. It's better this way for the player and the Wings than the alternative of just going home to Sweden.
Not a fan of the trade. Jarnkrok could have been big. I know the Wings and affiliates have some depth at center, but even if Jarnkrok hadn't been needed, if he developed more over the next couple seasons they could have gotten a lot more out of him than Legwand. Seems like a move just for the sake of making a move.
I guess it's cool to have yet another Michigan-born/raised player on the Wings, probably gotta be just about the most local players of any US-based team (Glendening, DeKeyser, Miller, Abdelkader, now Legwand). But, like the playoff streak, that's yet another thing the Wings don't exactly get a plaque for. I don't like this trade.
I am sorry but Jarnrock was perhaps the most overrated prospect in the system. He was passes by both Glendenning and Sheahan. He was expendable to the point he wings have more value in their junior draftees than Jarnkrock. I actually value the conditional 3rd more.
I now view the preservation of the playoff streak as a hindrance. If there wasn't such a fixation on it, Holland would've either stood pat or made a trade for a top-4 D to help long-term. Instead, a panicked, short-term move was made for C. I don't like it. Holland's been in decline since 2008.
If this was for Kesler, that'd be one thing. With all the injuries, I get that Kenny needed to make a move, but it seems like he's been taken for one here.
And trade for Kesler one of the more injury prone centers? Thanks but no thanks.
he missed time last year = he's injury prone?
Vancouver allegedly wanted Nyquist + Tatar + prospect for Kesler. HA!!
yup, no chance. it's a big relief he didn't over pay for Kesler, since that could have set us back for years.
What do you do when your top 3 centers are on the shelf with datsyuk, zetterberg, and Weiss. Now you got Helm out and Andersson is your first line center. The playoff streak means a lot to the Illitches. Don't think its a borderline good/bad deal. If they make the playoffs or he's extended I'll say its a good deal.
No way Kesler was going to be in a wings sweater. I myself was hoping for Edler or Ehroff. But when Helm went down last night the need for a center went up tremendously
and that is to make good decisions. Illitch forced Dombrowski into signing Fielder which turned out to be a terrible contract because Mr. I wanted a world series champ before he died. Its his money so I guess he is entitled, but DD knew it was a bad contract so he dumped it as soon as he could. This is another panic move.
The way this season has gone, Legwand will be hurt by the second game.
I heard he pulled a hammy on the plane.
He'll get to spend a lot more time in his gigantic home on Lake St. Clair in Harrison Twp (near Mt. Clemens). He bought up three lots, tore down some houses, and built a monster on the lake.
A bunch of predators lost their "leg wand"? Sounds like justice has been served!
Eight year olds, dude.