John Harbaugh let Cam Cameron go with 3 weeks left in regular season. Isn't this kind of an odd time to fire a coordinator? I can see if you are out of the hunt for playoffs, but they are in 1st place.
Being that he has ties to Michigan, I think its fair to discuss if he would fit on Hokes staff at any capacity. I know we don't have an opening, but we can still discuss it.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732341/baltimore-ravens-fire-cam-cameron-tab-jim-caldwell
The game has passed him by.
Terrible as a head coach in Miami
Yes, I will give you that. But the ravens have been to the playoffs for the last 3 years, and will probably get back this year. The offense does seem to have its struggles, but terrible?? I'd have a tough time pinning all problems on the OC, unless ofcourse I was John Harbaugh
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His playcalling is terrible.
His playcalling is terrible. Ray Rice just does not get the ball enough and he overuses play action without running first to set it up. That offense should be very good with the talent they have and not mediocre like it has been.
I wish he waited for 2 weeks
I wish he waited for 2 weeks until after they played the Giants. I'm guessing Caldwell will start using his best player more and stop pretending Flacco is an elite QB.
Your comment is OT. This
Your comment is OT. This thread is about Cam Cameron, not Al Borges at Ohio State.
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I see what you did
There... NICE
Can you blame John though?
The D is banged up and needs the offense to do something, anything and it will lock down the division. I honestly hate the Ravens (liked the coaches) and hate to see them do well, but think it is a good move.
Hopefully Rice gets the ball...
It's fantasy football playoffs starting next week and that would be clutch
Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own theme park, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the park!
If Borges calls the Outback
If Borges calls the Outback bowl like he did The Game we may have an opening.
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I propose a trade, Baltimore can have this guy
To me Cam's a push.
Predictable playcalling, and not best utilizing his players talents. Guess which OC I'm talking about...
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Lots of people have ties to
Lots of people have ties to Michigan - the bigger question is does Cam have ties to Hoke. And my guess is that Borges ties > Cameron ties.
Mattison factor.
Was Cameron there when Mattison was? I know it's not as strong as if he was in with Hoke, but could Mattison convince Hoke to bring Cameron aboard if he thinks Cameron might be a good addition to the staff?
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I would take Cam as a QB coach
The guy has been around many, many quality QBs in his career. Problem is that he does not need to be a QB coach and we would need to let someone go.
Cameron has been
around a lot of good QB's, but they tend to get better once he leaves...
Most would argue the both Drew Brees and Philip Rivers had their least productive years under Cameron in San Diego.
I would take him
As OC- Detroit Lions
After watching the Ravens yesterday...
My question is whether it's the OC's job to teach Flacco what to do when he's blitzed. That guy was comically bad in the face of a rush.
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I believe Cameron made his
I believe Cameron made his reputation as a QB coach so I'd guess you could say it was a major part of his responsbility to coach the QB
Yesterday wasn't the game to
Yesterday wasn't the game to judge him by, ravens fans have been calling for the guy to get fired for 2 years now, his terrible playcalling has been bailed out by good defense and ray rice being a monster but in the loss last week to pitt rice got 12 carries even though he was averaging like 5 yards per carry. Cameron was terrible and I'm actually happy we lost to the redskins if it was what caused him getting fired, ravens will probably still make the playoffs and are already out of the running for the #1 seed so i'm glad it happened.
True but...
True but Baltimore fans were calling for Mattison to go (not as enthusiastically as Cam) because the Ravens D allowed a few teams back into it late in games. They're a bit spoiled IMO.
I mean yes but as a ravens
I mean yes but as a ravens fan I can say that the ravens defense is more a symptom of lewis than a coordinator kind of like manning and the colts offense back in the day. Like 6 or 7 former coordinators got head coaching jobs after being the ravens defensive coordinator and most of them didn't do well and the defense kept chugging along. Fans were frustred with his decision to always go prevent at the end of games rather than sticking with what had been succsesful. He's been different at Michigan but pretty much think about how the defense looked against nd on the last drive of the night game and imagine that happened like 4 or 5 times over the year, it got frustrating.
Would you be glad if Michigan lost the OB Bowl
If it meant Borges getting fired?
I'm not gonna say yes or no, but if its for the greater good?
No
The Team, The Team, The Team
Its a little different in the
Its a little different in the nfl, ravens are most likely gonna be in the playoffs this year and they gotta do what they can to win right now, not throwing away a year like a transition could be in college ball.
Cameron was horrible as HC at Indiana
He was horrible as HC at Miami, and now he's been dumped by the Ravens. I suspect he's an example of the Peter Principle at work.
As for getting rid of him now, it's either because the players and other assistants have lost any regard and trust for his abilities, or Harbaugh is feeling the heat and needs a convenient scapegoat. Or both.
I've got to wonder at what
I've got to wonder at what point Harbaugh gets the axe. When I was living up in the DC/Baltimore area, there was already angst and muttering among the fans about the (at that time) coordinators. Mattison drew the ire first, but there was still grumbling going on about Cameron as well. Some thought it was ridiculous considering how far Flacco had progressed under his watch. Well Ravens' fans got their wish: Mattison left, and now Cameron is gone. All the sacrificial lambs are gone now. I know the fans are really frustrated that they haven't won the Super Bowl yet with all the talent they have. How much longer until Harbaugh's head is being called for?
I think Baltimore fans are delusional then.
They have an aging defense, and an average at best quarterback. I don't see "all that talent." They've been a good franchise by being good year after year, and not bottoming out, but they've got major problems that keep them from being world beaters.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
The fans I know are pretty
The fans I know are pretty fatalistic (live in the Baltimore suburbs).
One guy said "We'll be lucky to win a game the rest of the year" before this weekend.
Baltimore's D is getting old, and has been absolutely bombed by injury. Now, they are going to lose the 1st week bye as well. Not a good thing for an old, injured football team.
They are going to be the Steelers circa 2011-12 playoffs; get beat by a younger team in the 1st round.
I mean yeah the defense is
I mean yeah the defense is aging but our top 2 cb's are both young guys who got injured in webb and jimmy smith. Ray lewis is the heart of the defense so just not having him on the field hurts. Suggs was the entire pass rush by himself and he got injured and ngata has a bum leg. On offense you have ray rice, one of the top rb, vontae leach probably the top fb, a solid o-line good recievers in boldin and torrey smith. Team should be better, defense killed by injuries, offense got killed by a bad cordinator.
How on earth was Mattison
How on earth was Mattison being griped about? The Ravens had a top 3 defense every year he was there, and he's obviously The Shit.
How can you axe a coach that
How can you axe a coach that was a Billy Cundiff field goal away from the Super Bowl and this year they have a 9-4 record with the both Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs both injured and missing multiple games each.
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Wasn't there hype for GERG?
Wasn't there hype for GERG? Superbowl winning DC? Id rather throw a ton of cash at an up and coming ESS EEE CEE coordinator to pull some kids from the south.
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Let us take a dip into the
Let us take a dip into the wayback machine:
http://mgoblog.com/content/hello-defensive-coordinator-greg-robinson
From the way back machine
Somebondy named Sherman Peabody said of the GERG hire:
I love this hire. Football Outsiders ranked his first year's defense at Denver #28 in the league, and his second year's #2. The man knows his Xs and Os.
LOL: Hindsight is 20/20.
Man. I was a supporter of
Man. I was a supporter of the hire. Until mid way through the season.
Then I watched some of his press conferences when he was at Cuse. The guy had no idea wtf he was talking about.
Probably why he never went before the press at UM except a couple rare times between the 09 and 10 seasons. And there again he sounded clueless.
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So who are we firing to clear
So who are we firing to clear up a coaching spot for Cam Cameron? More importantly we on earth would ever lay out the money for a 51 year old who underperformed in the NFL and went 18-37 with Indiana. If we're making moves on offense it should be hot names, not washed up guys.
Cam Cameron
Michigans offense was never better than it was under Cameron. He may be out of touch now but so is Borgess.
Cam was never the OC at
Cam was never the OC at Michigan.
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You can give up Cam Cameron ever coaching on this staff.
Back when Hoke was on the staff was when Cam was at Indiana, and he got a horrible rep after pushing Pete Schmidt out when he had cancer, and then showed up at the funeral when it was requested he not come, big timing it. Schmidt was really well liked and respected from his days at Albion, and it pretty much tanked Cameron's reputation.
Probably one of the reasons he's stuck to the pros since then.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
i say we go through that
i say we go through that thread and ban anybody who still has an active account who defended that GERG hire
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given your membership in the mgoblog HOF meltdowns section, I'm not sure you should be talking about retroactive bans.
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The Ravens are in first place
The Ravens are in first place but it is pretty obvious that they are not nearly as good as that sounds. In that sense, this is not a risky move.
When I watch the Ravens play I wonder if they are even trying to score much of the time. Their offense makes little sense. They are the masters of the 4 yard pass on 3rd and 6.
I cannot think of any reason why Hoke would bring Cameron to Michigan at this point.
Give it to Wheatley!
Read THIS Yahoo Article by
Read THIS Yahoo Article by Jason Cole. It's not very glowing of Cam's personality, and if you could ask some of the players from his earlier days here at Michigan, I think a lot would agree.
Cam's personality
"In short, Cameron is a control freak. He has been for years. Ask people who were in Miami when he served as Dolphins head coach for just one season (2007) and you'll hear stories about how it was actually easier for people in the building to deal with Nick Saban than Cameron."
From what I can sense of Brady Hoke's personality, the chances that he'll ever hire somebody as abrasively egocentric as Cameron are basically zero.
But Bo
and John Harbaugh overlooked this for like 15 combined years?
Not exactly.
He was Bo's boy, and brought up by him, but he really only coached for Bo for 5 years. A couple more as a GA, but cocky GA's don't last very long. He left shortly after Bo's protection was gone.
Don't know Harbaugh well enough to say how they got along, but he seems like a pretty outwardly low key dude. In contrast to his brother, who I can't see coaching with Cam for more than 5 minutes, because in that regard they're a lot alike. Jim is just more successful than Cam and can get away with it.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
So it's Cameron's fault that
So it's Cameron's fault that Flacco is still not elite. Joe will take off next year!
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God I hope, he is an average
God I hope, he is an average at best qb who thinks he is elite, hasn't raised his game for 2 years and is taking away from ray rice.
While Joe isn't elite, I feel
While Joe isn't elite, I feel like you should be able to win a Super Bowl or two with him. Surround him with some weapons and you can trust him not to fuck things up. If I had Flacco I'd definitely be open if some greater QB had the potential to fall into my lap, but I wouldn't be moving heaven and earth to overpay for a replacement.
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where and how soon can we sign him?
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The game has passed him by. He was terrible in his previous two jobs. Hopefully Caldwell will make sure Ray Rice gets the ball.