The game has passed him by. He was terrible in his previous two jobs. Hopefully Caldwell will make sure Ray Rice gets the ball.
OT - Ravens fire OC Cam Cameron - gutsy move?
Yes, I will give you that. But the ravens have been to the playoffs for the last 3 years, and will probably get back this year. The offense does seem to have its struggles, but terrible?? I'd have a tough time pinning all problems on the OC, unless ofcourse I was John Harbaugh
His playcalling is terrible. Ray Rice just does not get the ball enough and he overuses play action without running first to set it up. That offense should be very good with the talent they have and not mediocre like it has been.
I wish he waited for 2 weeks until after they played the Giants. I'm guessing Caldwell will start using his best player more and stop pretending Flacco is an elite QB.
Your comment is OT. This thread is about Cam Cameron, not Al Borges at Ohio State.
The D is banged up and needs the offense to do something, anything and it will lock down the division. I honestly hate the Ravens (liked the coaches) and hate to see them do well, but think it is a good move.
It's fantasy football playoffs starting next week and that would be clutch
If Borges calls the Outback bowl like he did The Game we may have an opening.
Predictable playcalling, and not best utilizing his players talents. Guess which OC I'm talking about...
Lots of people have ties to Michigan - the bigger question is does Cam have ties to Hoke. And my guess is that Borges ties > Cameron ties.
Was Cameron there when Mattison was? I know it's not as strong as if he was in with Hoke, but could Mattison convince Hoke to bring Cameron aboard if he thinks Cameron might be a good addition to the staff?
The guy has been around many, many quality QBs in his career. Problem is that he does not need to be a QB coach and we would need to let someone go.
around a lot of good QB's, but they tend to get better once he leaves...
Most would argue the both Drew Brees and Philip Rivers had their least productive years under Cameron in San Diego.
As OC- Detroit Lions
My question is whether it's the OC's job to teach Flacco what to do when he's blitzed. That guy was comically bad in the face of a rush.
I believe Cameron made his reputation as a QB coach so I'd guess you could say it was a major part of his responsbility to coach the QB
Yesterday wasn't the game to judge him by, ravens fans have been calling for the guy to get fired for 2 years now, his terrible playcalling has been bailed out by good defense and ray rice being a monster but in the loss last week to pitt rice got 12 carries even though he was averaging like 5 yards per carry. Cameron was terrible and I'm actually happy we lost to the redskins if it was what caused him getting fired, ravens will probably still make the playoffs and are already out of the running for the #1 seed so i'm glad it happened.
True but Baltimore fans were calling for Mattison to go (not as enthusiastically as Cam) because the Ravens D allowed a few teams back into it late in games. They're a bit spoiled IMO.
I mean yes but as a ravens fan I can say that the ravens defense is more a symptom of lewis than a coordinator kind of like manning and the colts offense back in the day. Like 6 or 7 former coordinators got head coaching jobs after being the ravens defensive coordinator and most of them didn't do well and the defense kept chugging along. Fans were frustred with his decision to always go prevent at the end of games rather than sticking with what had been succsesful. He's been different at Michigan but pretty much think about how the defense looked against nd on the last drive of the night game and imagine that happened like 4 or 5 times over the year, it got frustrating.
If it meant Borges getting fired?
I'm not gonna say yes or no, but if its for the greater good?
The Team, The Team, The Team
Its a little different in the nfl, ravens are most likely gonna be in the playoffs this year and they gotta do what they can to win right now, not throwing away a year like a transition could be in college ball.
He was horrible as HC at Miami, and now he's been dumped by the Ravens. I suspect he's an example of the Peter Principle at work.
As for getting rid of him now, it's either because the players and other assistants have lost any regard and trust for his abilities, or Harbaugh is feeling the heat and needs a convenient scapegoat. Or both.
I've got to wonder at what point Harbaugh gets the axe. When I was living up in the DC/Baltimore area, there was already angst and muttering among the fans about the (at that time) coordinators. Mattison drew the ire first, but there was still grumbling going on about Cameron as well. Some thought it was ridiculous considering how far Flacco had progressed under his watch. Well Ravens' fans got their wish: Mattison left, and now Cameron is gone. All the sacrificial lambs are gone now. I know the fans are really frustrated that they haven't won the Super Bowl yet with all the talent they have. How much longer until Harbaugh's head is being called for?
They have an aging defense, and an average at best quarterback. I don't see "all that talent." They've been a good franchise by being good year after year, and not bottoming out, but they've got major problems that keep them from being world beaters.
The fans I know are pretty fatalistic (live in the Baltimore suburbs).
One guy said "We'll be lucky to win a game the rest of the year" before this weekend.
Baltimore's D is getting old, and has been absolutely bombed by injury. Now, they are going to lose the 1st week bye as well. Not a good thing for an old, injured football team.
They are going to be the Steelers circa 2011-12 playoffs; get beat by a younger team in the 1st round.
I mean yeah the defense is aging but our top 2 cb's are both young guys who got injured in webb and jimmy smith. Ray lewis is the heart of the defense so just not having him on the field hurts. Suggs was the entire pass rush by himself and he got injured and ngata has a bum leg. On offense you have ray rice, one of the top rb, vontae leach probably the top fb, a solid o-line good recievers in boldin and torrey smith. Team should be better, defense killed by injuries, offense got killed by a bad cordinator.
How on earth was Mattison being griped about? The Ravens had a top 3 defense every year he was there, and he's obviously The Shit.
Let us take a dip into the wayback machine:
Somebondy named Sherman Peabody said of the GERG hire:
I love this hire. Football Outsiders ranked his first year's defense at Denver #28 in the league, and his second year's #2. The man knows his Xs and Os.
LOL: Hindsight is 20/20.
Man. I was a supporter of the hire. Until mid way through the season.
Then I watched some of his press conferences when he was at Cuse. The guy had no idea wtf he was talking about.
Probably why he never went before the press at UM except a couple rare times between the 09 and 10 seasons. And there again he sounded clueless.
So who are we firing to clear up a coaching spot for Cam Cameron? More importantly we on earth would ever lay out the money for a 51 year old who underperformed in the NFL and went 18-37 with Indiana. If we're making moves on offense it should be hot names, not washed up guys.
Michigans offense was never better than it was under Cameron. He may be out of touch now but so is Borgess.
Cam was never the OC at Michigan.
Back when Hoke was on the staff was when Cam was at Indiana, and he got a horrible rep after pushing Pete Schmidt out when he had cancer, and then showed up at the funeral when it was requested he not come, big timing it. Schmidt was really well liked and respected from his days at Albion, and it pretty much tanked Cameron's reputation.
Probably one of the reasons he's stuck to the pros since then.
i say we go through that thread and ban anybody who still has an active account who defended that GERG hire
given your membership in the mgoblog HOF meltdowns section, I'm not sure you should be talking about retroactive bans.
The Ravens are in first place but it is pretty obvious that they are not nearly as good as that sounds. In that sense, this is not a risky move.
When I watch the Ravens play I wonder if they are even trying to score much of the time. Their offense makes little sense. They are the masters of the 4 yard pass on 3rd and 6.
I cannot think of any reason why Hoke would bring Cameron to Michigan at this point.
Read THIS Yahoo Article by Jason Cole. It's not very glowing of Cam's personality, and if you could ask some of the players from his earlier days here at Michigan, I think a lot would agree.
"In short, Cameron is a control freak. He has been for years. Ask people who were in Miami when he served as Dolphins head coach for just one season (2007) and you'll hear stories about how it was actually easier for people in the building to deal with Nick Saban than Cameron."
From what I can sense of Brady Hoke's personality, the chances that he'll ever hire somebody as abrasively egocentric as Cameron are basically zero.
and John Harbaugh overlooked this for like 15 combined years?
He was Bo's boy, and brought up by him, but he really only coached for Bo for 5 years. A couple more as a GA, but cocky GA's don't last very long. He left shortly after Bo's protection was gone.
Don't know Harbaugh well enough to say how they got along, but he seems like a pretty outwardly low key dude. In contrast to his brother, who I can't see coaching with Cam for more than 5 minutes, because in that regard they're a lot alike. Jim is just more successful than Cam and can get away with it.
God I hope, he is an average at best qb who thinks he is elite, hasn't raised his game for 2 years and is taking away from ray rice.
While Joe isn't elite, I feel like you should be able to win a Super Bowl or two with him. Surround him with some weapons and you can trust him not to fuck things up. If I had Flacco I'd definitely be open if some greater QB had the potential to fall into my lap, but I wouldn't be moving heaven and earth to overpay for a replacement.
where and how soon can we sign him?
Oh yeah, 6-24-3.
18-37 is below the all-time winning percentage (.425 per Wikipedia), but it's Indiana. The fact that he was not a successful head coach does not mean he isn't a good position coach. (We can look at other evidence to figure that out.)
I'm not a Ravens fan, but live in Baltimore so I follow them a little more closely than other teams. Anyway, I think Cameron got fired for not getting Ray Rice involved enough. Flacco may not be elite, but Rice definitely is, and Flacco isn't a complete bum. With the talent that offense has, they shouldn't be near the bottom in nearly all offensive statistical categories in the NFL. I find the timing odd, but not the decision. I'm surprised he lasted this long.
No. Cameron has been awful as the Ravens coordinator. Flacco hasn't developed at all, he ignored using Ray Rice, the 2nd or 3rd best RB in the NFL, for long stretches, and made a guy like Boldin all but a memory with his play calling.
Not saying that Jim Caldwell will be any better, I personally think he made his career off of Peyton, but Cameron was not gonig to be the savior of that offense to get them a championship.
I've argued before that Borges preferred offense is a vertical offense similar to Cameron's. Cameron sounds like a dick in person but I'm not convinced he's a terrible OC. I think being an OC is not nearly as easy as people think.
Cam Cameron is pretty bad, no doubt, but if Flacco is half the QB he likes to proclaim to people then he is just as responsible for the Offense's struggles.
I endured the 1-15 season. He was horrendous and the players hated him. The next year the same team went 11-5 with noodle armed Chad Pennington and Tony Sparano. I wouldn't hire him to coach a 11&12 year old flag fooball team.
Iirc, he was dumb enough to move randel el, the most dynamic player in the BIG,to wr to start his senior year and play a traditional QB. Eventually moved him back to QB. Sound familiar?
No , this does not sound familiar. Who are you talking about?
Borges without question. We've already seen the offense pick up with a QB that fits his style better. And he didn't practice at QB after fall ball til after Nebraska.
Needless to say I am extremely excited to see what Al does next year. If he falls flat on his face in big games, then we can start chattering. But this staff one year removed from a BCS bowl win isn't going anywhere unless they willingly do it.
Has had success coaching offense. Before Michigan, he was successful at SDSU. The last time Cam had legit success as an OC was when he was in San Diego with Wade Phillips as DC.