OT - Radiology Residency at Michigan ?
I have a friend who finished up at UW - (Madison) in Radiology and is deciding between Michigan and John Hopkins for a residency stay.
Any information or knowledge about the hospitals from anybody on here would be most appreciated. Trying to persuade him to GO Blue over Hopkins ( maybe i am selfish) but any help would be appreciated and your thoughts.
Thanks and as always- GO BLUE
February 19th, 2016 at 10:32 AM ^
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February 19th, 2016 at 10:32 AM ^
What else do you need to know?
Seriously, though it has been awhile I interviewed at Hopkins for an Anesthesiology Residency position, and after my experience it was the one and only time I ever sent a Letter of Rejection to an institution.
February 19th, 2016 at 10:38 AM ^
If he goes to UM, he will be rich and famous. If he goes to John Hopkins, he will end up unemployed and homeless.
Seriously, I am not an expert. But I do know that JHU and UM are two of maybe the 5 best medical colleges in the U.S. This is like picking between a free Ferrari and a free Porsche...hard to go wrong. That said, I've never liked Baltimore, so if living conditions are a major concern, Ann Arbor might be a good selling point.
February 19th, 2016 at 12:00 PM ^
But one person to ask is President Schlissel. An exception to the Johns Hopkins unemployed homeless rule, he can probably compare the programs as well as anyone. And he's in the neighborhood.
February 19th, 2016 at 10:36 AM ^
The board is really struggling today...
February 19th, 2016 at 11:16 AM ^
I wanna kiss you....
February 19th, 2016 at 10:44 AM ^
AA is better than Baltimore, but that area of Baltimore is fine. (not up to AA standards but not like the national media makes it out to be)
Other upsides are that you are just a couple hours from philly and NY and 45 minutes (on a good traffic day to DC)
More of a personal preference on location.
February 19th, 2016 at 12:42 PM ^
The city of brotherly mugging. Great history though!
February 19th, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^
February 19th, 2016 at 8:55 PM ^
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February 19th, 2016 at 10:36 PM ^
Of the worst traffic in the country. You could never live in Annapolis and expect to take call from home.
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February 19th, 2016 at 11:02 PM ^
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February 19th, 2016 at 10:45 AM ^
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February 19th, 2016 at 11:14 AM ^
Made up problems. I give this OP five fakes out of Five
February 19th, 2016 at 11:32 AM ^
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February 19th, 2016 at 5:11 PM ^
Resident physicians, who basically hand over 3-5 years of their life to some health care conglomerate in exchange for a crap salary, are hardly the 1%. When they finish with residency and start making decent money, they have to repay the massive debt that they took on to go to medical school in the first place.
But you know who are the 1%? Insurance company executives. And you know who profits the most from the inefficiencies in our health care system while the rest of us get screwed? Insurance company executives. And you know whose job it is to collect monthly checks for doing absolutely nothing except being there to help me when I need to see a doctor (which they look for every excuse to get out of)? Insurance company executives.
Also, I'm not a doctor or a health care professional of any kind. I just admire their work and don't like to see them maligned.
February 19th, 2016 at 8:54 PM ^
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February 19th, 2016 at 10:50 AM ^
I really hope this friend is ranking more than two programs.
February 19th, 2016 at 11:24 AM ^
February 19th, 2016 at 10:48 AM ^
I would suggest a better resource for this would be studentdoctor.net specifically their radiology forum. There's waaaaay more to it than "they're both great hospitals!" and SDN will have the gory details. Being a great school doesn't always make it a great residency.
February 19th, 2016 at 11:12 AM ^
Message Board Guys with 80,000 sissy points know so much about everything!
February 19th, 2016 at 2:48 PM ^
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February 19th, 2016 at 12:19 PM ^
I was also confused by that.
February 19th, 2016 at 12:36 PM ^
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February 19th, 2016 at 11:00 AM ^
I'm a bit confused...are you talking fellowship or residency?
Everyone in my family but yours truly is a doc but I do work in the field of BME. Both of my sons are doing residencies at U of M. You are going to get great training at both institutions. The Baltimore/Washington area has a lot to offer in the way of amenities, but that comes at a price. Housing is very expensive, traffic is awful and you are working in downtown Baltimore which has its own set of problems. Your coresidents will be living all over the place.
Ann Arbor is much more affordable and if your friend is married and has school concerns due to children, Ann Arbor has a much better school system than what he will find in areas affordable on a resident's wages in the Baltimore suburbs. It is easy to live close to the U of M hospital. I know for a fact that compensation and benefits at Michigan are better than just about every other teaching hospital in the country due to the House Officers' Association.
Still, Harvard and Hopkins are very impressive names to have on a CV, not that Michigan is slouchy.
February 19th, 2016 at 11:11 AM ^
The daily CIRCLE JERK thread!
February 19th, 2016 at 11:16 AM ^
From most residents I have talked to (albeit in a different specialty), you should go where makes you/your family happy, particualrly when your options are as high class as those two institutions.They are both large, world renowned academic centers so I'm not sure what the major differences would be. As others have noted, SDN is the place to go for that nuanced info.
Common questions: Does he like the other residents and attendings in the program? Does he like the structure of the program (research, didactics, call, etc)? What at the requirements/shift lengths/etc? What are the perks of each program (salary, stipend for conferences, etc). Does one provide greater career advancement he chooses to go into a more subspecialized field? Also all the other personal questions about living in each city, family life, also play a role. I doubt he could go wrong regardless of where he goes. If this is for fellowship, this isn't his first rodeo and he probably knows what he's looking for already.
February 19th, 2016 at 11:33 AM ^
My neice from Pittsburgh was recently accepted to UM med school - after my telling her how great UM was and getting her to apply there. (I also told her I wouldn't speak to her again if she applied to OSU). She really likes UM and AA and it is her top choice, but no scholarship offers from UM. But, she's waiting to hear still from Penn + she's got high dollar scholarship offers (75%) from Vanderbilt. I think one of those options might win out over UM. Can anyone give me something to help convince her UM is the best choice no matter what??? (I'm not in the medical field, so don't know which buttons to push - all I can do is threaten to never talk to her again if she doesn't choose UM)
February 19th, 2016 at 11:48 AM ^
February 19th, 2016 at 11:55 AM ^
I dunno. I always ppl to go to the best school possible (if they are choosing a high paying career). If you are choosing a lower paying career (like pediatrics, etc.) then you should crunch the numbers.
February 19th, 2016 at 1:24 PM ^
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February 19th, 2016 at 1:58 PM ^
Medical school is medical school. Vanderbilt and Michigan? It's a wash. There is virtually no "prestige" factor here.
It's not like she's choosing the Carribean over Michigan.
February 19th, 2016 at 12:03 PM ^
That said, if you're independently wealthy and the bills don't matter, M interviews all their grads for residency spots if so desired, and has top ten residencies in multiple fields (I think there was a US News article from last year substantiating that). If your niece knows what she wants to do, that may be persuasive. There's also a ton of research opportunities and virtually every subspecialty represented which adds to elective choices for third and fourth year. You can also get student football tickets, which may be the best thing.
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February 19th, 2016 at 11:34 AM ^
Former radiology resident, IR fellow, and current practicing interventional radiologist, interviewed at Hopkins for fellowship, didn't apply to Michigan for fellowship b/c their IR isn't as regarded (but as you find out later, doesn't matter anyway when you're looking for jobs). Point blank: go where you're happy and want to eventually live. If you haven't figured out where you'd like to live later, go where you want to live for residency, and consider places that have a good fellowship in what sub-subspecialty you want to take on. Hopkins had that old, east coast vibe to it. You get worked hard but the residency itself isn't that prestigious believe it or not. The IR fellowship however was/is considered top notch. Michigan's residency program is very good. auntminnie.com is a resource for radiology related stuff, better than studentdoctor.
February 19th, 2016 at 11:36 AM ^
Lol fuck all of you hating on Baltimore. How many of you have lived there and didn't just watch the Wire or some shit. I grew up in Baltimore and went to Michigan and while I loved AA if you are picking somewhere to live after college Baltimore is the easy choice, especially if you care about any diversity of experience in your life. In any case my mother actually works at Hopkins, its a great hospital but it isn't a super friendly atmosphere, though there have been recent efforts to address that.
On the other hand my cousin did his residency at Hopkins and now has three best selling books and recently helped save Jimmy Carter's life so I think it can do a pretty solid job of launching a career. Good luck to your friend but just felt the need to point out that Baltimore is great and my public school education in the city got me into the honors college at Michigan so everyone can fuck off.
February 19th, 2016 at 11:56 AM ^
February 19th, 2016 at 12:01 PM ^
This is a snooty, swmarmy board full of basement-dwelling posers whose only desires are to stroke each other with daily circle jerk threads.
None who ciommented has, in all likelihood, ever set foot in a college classroom or Ann Arbor, let alone Baltimore.
Of course, even while amssing millionsw of sissy points, they're all either PhD's or married to one, or both.
Yeah, right.
Don't be fooled or get angry with a bunch of people who are in no way anything even resembling what they post here.