wait. Michael Keeton is going to kill this one.
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June 11th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
#302
Can't
June 11th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
#303
No way!
Val Kilmer IS Batman!
June 11th, 2012 at 7:40 PM
#304
Keeton is batman period. That
Keeton is batman period. That dude killed it
June 12th, 2012 at 12:54 AM
#305
Clooney
Still sucks compared to the great George Clooney!
/s (just in case)
June 12th, 2012 at 9:43 AM
#306
As long as arnold
As long as arnold schwarzenegger shows up as a villain I will be happy.
June 11th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
#307
I have seen this exact
I have seen this exact trailer over a dozen times and no matter what I still watch the entire thing. I have been looking forward to this movie all year. It's going to be a bit bittersweet due to Nolan not doing anymore Batman movies, but this one looks epic.
June 11th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
#308
Why does Bane sounds like
Why does Bane sounds like Gandalf?
June 11th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
#309
Bane is a pretty educated guy
He should have a South American accent and slip in the occasional Spanish word, but apart from that he should speak and sound quite intelligently.
June 11th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
#310
Running Time
This movie needs to be 6 hours with a massive section dedicated to Bruce Wayne's recovery and rehab after Bane breaks his spine.
What?!? It's not authentic to the comic books because that would be boring and never work in a movie?! PROTEST! RABBLERABBLERABBLE!
June 11th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
#311
Speculation on JGL's
Speculation on JGL's character coming from the Knightfall comic commencing.....
June 11th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
#312
Bane was already in the movies
June 11th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
#313
I have seen the trailers and
I have seen the trailers and I'm just not feelin' it. The villain doesn't look that interesting and I'm like "Anne Hathaway as Catwoman -- meh". I loved Heath Ledger as The Joker, but other than that, I found Dark Knight to be a disappointment, I was sort of lukewarn on Inception too I used to love Christopher Nolan, but lately, not so much.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:27 PM
#314
Blasphemy
Both Inception and TDK are incredible pieces of cinema.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:29 PM
#315
I will agree with you on Inception
Looked awesome and the scenes were well directed, but it never really pulled me in. Everyone was saying how "cool" and "deep" the story line was. I felt like I was watching an M. Night Shyamalan (sp?) movie, with a really, really obvious "twist".
Dark Knight on the other hand, I can't agree with, and I highly doubt there are many that do agree with you. That movie bordered on perfect.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:19 PM
#316
My problem with Dark Knight
My problem with Dark Knight was that The Joker's increasingly implausible schemes broke suspension of disbelief for me. I also thought that a few of the scenes dragged on way longer than they should have, and that the guy who played Two-Face is by far the worst actor that I have ever seen in a Christopher Nolan movie. The guy's "angry" act was so bad, I thought I was watching a campy Joss Whedon TV show. You are right though, I am a huge outlier when it comes to Dark Knight. With that said, I didn't dislike it as much as it wasn't as nearly as good as I wanted it to be. And I predict now that in 20 years, the movie will be viewed less favorably than it is now, when people see it for the first time or re-see it without the context of Heath Ledger having died right before it came out.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:28 PM
#317
Joker's Implausable Schemes?
his schemes were ridiculously simple. That was the point, I thought. People assumed there was more to it, but there really wasn't. He was just causing havoc to see what would happen, mostly. He needed certain people in certain places, of course, but he didn't build a crazy death ray or anything. He threatened people till they reacted the way he wanted.
It was shockingly real, actually.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:46 PM
#318
Simple?
He has a cell
Simple?
He has a cell phone-triggered bomb surgically implanted into a guy (who is conveniently incarcerated just at the right time) so that he can trigger it when he gets captured? This is also after he has Rachel and Harvey kidnapped and placed in a building wired with explosives that are just long enough away that nobody can reach Rachel. Good thing for joker the cops didn't have a patrol car or a helicopter anywhere near her building. And he does all of this without a criminal organization or henchmen outside of former mental patients. Then he rigs two ferries full of explosives and somehow hacks into their announcement system to try and get one to blow up the other and also tricks everyone into thinking that henchmen are cops and cops are henchmen. I thought that the movie climaxed during the confrontation between Batman and Joker, but then it lost me.
June 11th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
#319
"and somehow hacks into their
"and somehow hacks into their announcement system"
Your whole post and this comment shows that these movies(or any movie) are not for you. If those things ever your mind while watching movies then you'll never enjoy them.
News News! Read all about it! Movies are not realistic! Tumbler turns into Bat Cycle! Kills movie!
June 11th, 2012 at 4:50 PM
#320
Different movies can handle
Different movies can handle different levels of implausibility. Every action or sci-fi movie probably has some unrealistic parts to it, and that's where suspension of disbelief comes in. I had no problem doing it in Batman Begins, but in Dark Knight, I just couldn't. Dark Knight's schemes caused me to think of the Joker not as a scary man, but as a character with Godlike abilities to coordinate huge projects and perfectly predict tiny little details, like that he would be captured and that he would call a cell phone, a bomb would go off, and he would escape. Maybe one of the Tim Burton movies could have gotten away with some of those things, but not a Christopher Nolan movie.
June 11th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
#321
The question is
What movies ARE plausible to you? Because you could take any movie with that analysis and pretty much rip it apart. Not just superhero or sci fi, but any genre. You must not get much enjoyment from entertainment outside of sports.
June 11th, 2012 at 5:09 PM
#322
It's all relative
I said I enjoyed the movie, and will see the next one, but relative plausibility does exist. I really enjoyed Ed Norton's "Hulk". Did the fact that he weighed more when he hulked out ruin it for me? No... but whatever, he got heavier and green.
Did the Joker having 234237423942 things go exactly right always get a little old by the time he had rigged both boats? Yeah.
June 12th, 2012 at 3:37 PM
#323
I know where you're coming
I know where you're coming from in regards to your analysis of TDK. There are just some movies that are unable to generate that suspension of reality in some people. For me, a lot of military movies draw involuntary negative reactions just because I am unable to prevent myself from continuously analyzing and criticizing their unverified voracity .
Mostly I feel sorry for you that you're unable to enjoy the movie as most others do. It's not a conscious thing and you have no control. You have my sympathy!
June 11th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
#324
How's this for implausible schemes:
That hospital that he blew up? Yeah, that would take literal TONS of explosives. When did they put all of those pounds and pounds of bombs in the buildings? did anyone notice? Who did the wiring, again, not noticed? Manpower?
Same thing with the boats. He knew they were gonna stick everyone on boats, so he got those wired with bombs. Because, obviously they would put people on boats.
How did he know the exact route of the Commish's truck during the chase scene? There are so many streets, but he knew the exact ones!
He had a convict - held in the same jail convieniently, implanted with a cell phone bomb that miraculously killed EVERYONE but him.
I thought it was a good movie, and very well done/acted/filmed. But plausability was not one of its strong suits. I mean, it's a superhero movie. It's not supposed to be too plausable (The Hulk breaks the conservation of mass by existing so...) but still.
Similarly (no spoiler since I haven't seen it and it's in the previews) but when the football turf gets blown up... seriously? Again, so many explosives, and no one noticed? Did they unknowingly excavate under the layer of concrete that is under the playing surface?
June 11th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
#325
The hospital is pretty
The hospital is pretty implausible, but here are some explanations for the others:
Boats - He had already blown up/made the bridges out of the city impassable, so naturally people would try to get out using boats.
Commish truck route - There was corruption in every level of the government, why is it so implausible that someone in the PD leaked the route?
Cell phone bomb - Didn't kill everyone, just caused enough of a stir to allow for an easy escape.
June 11th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
#326
So wait
The implanted cell phone bomb is totally plausible to you? Just not the level of destruction it caused?
June 11th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
#327
I think it is possible to cut
I think it is possible to cut someone open and stick a cell phone in them that was rigged to explode. What's implausible about it?
June 11th, 2012 at 5:06 PM
#328
So...
Find a criminal, knock him unconscious, get someone to do surgery and implant a phone/bomb in him - without killing him and making sure that the phone/bomb are in complete working order, despite being in a person. Have him functional despite the surgery. Get him arrested, make sure he's held in the same prision that you're about to be captured into. Get a phone call made to the phone/bomb while you're close enough to this guy to get away - but not so close that you're hit with the blast.
That doesn't strike you as a few coincidences/lucky breaks being strung together?
June 11th, 2012 at 5:29 PM
#329
I'm no doctor, but it seems
I'm no doctor, but it seems to me that if you put the phone in a plastic bag before you insert it, it should remain in functioning order at least for a few hours. Joker was the head of a giant ring of criminals, so it's not exactly hard to find one, pay his buddies to knock him out to do the operation.
Keeping him alive would be another issue but I'm sure someone with at least some medical knowledge could do it. As long as you don't cut vital organs, you would only have to worry about blood loss. He clearly wasn't fully functioning in that scene either.
And again, most of the PD was corrupted, so having him arrested/placed in the right cell could be done. You saw how/why the Joker was able to call him.
But yes, I agree that it would take a lot for this sequence to happen, probably more than would ever happen in real life, but that's why it's a movie. Why would you watch a superhero movie in which everything happened as in real life? In Batman's case it would be like watching Dog the Bounty hunter with money. Also, I would argue that the Joker knew that his plans weren't all foolproof, which is why he shows surprise/disbelief multiple times in the movie as his plans are unfolding.
I guess my point is that yes, while none of this would happen in real life, it's a freaking Batman movie. It's not supposed to be real.
June 11th, 2012 at 9:24 PM
#330
He was a paranoid schizophrenic
He says Joker told him it would make the voices go away. "The sick kind of minds the Joker attracts.
June 11th, 2012 at 7:30 PM
#331
Einstein disagrees
Re: Conservation of Mass.
By discovering E=mc^2, he showed that energy can be converted into mass and vice versa, thus disproving the Law of Conservation of Mass.
The new version is the Law of Conservation of Energy and Mass, which states the total amount of mass and energy in the universe is constant. So long as The Hulk can convert energy into mass in transformation, he does not violate this law.
#SCIENCERULES
June 11th, 2012 at 8:37 PM
#332
Extra-dimensional source or conversion?
When Bruce Banner becomes the Incredible Hulk, his body swells with muscles seemingly from out of nowhere. Intriguingly, gamma rays can be so powerful that they can actually create matter. This is because, as Einstein's formula E = mc2 explains, energy can get converted to matter, and vice versa. Extraordinarily high-energy gamma rays, such as ones that black holes can generate, can yield pairs of electrons and their antimatter counterparts, known as positrons. (Whether the Incredible Hulk uses gamma rays to violate the law of conservation of matter and grow is another question.)
http://www.livescience.com/2590-gamma-rays-incredible-hulking-reality.html
The world may never know....
June 12th, 2012 at 3:40 PM
#333
Mike Martin > E=mc^2
Mike Martin > E=mc^2
June 11th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
#334
Well, this is the first time I've heard the problem was
The Joker's schemes didn't make sense. I mean, this is a guy who thought it was worth the effort to put smiles on fish.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
#335
You must be very hard to
You must be very hard to please...
TDK was 100x better than Batman Begins, and that was a great movie to begin with.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:17 PM
#336
I am cranky and hard to
I am indeed cranky and hard to please
June 11th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
#337
Can't speak to everywhere
They had my email wrong for my confirmation, so I called back (and actually they got it wrong again, but whatever, finally got it right) and found out the Henry Ford IMAX sold out in 45 minutes for the midnight showing. (Sorry Ann Arbor IMAX...you're a fake mini-IMAX that compensates with ear-splitting sound. For a real IMAX screen I have to go to Dearborn).
June 11th, 2012 at 2:47 PM
#338
Don't understand what the
Don't understand what the casting director was thinking re: Anne Hathaway as Catwoman. i have a feeling she will be a distraction from an otherwise entertaining movie...kind of like Two Face's absurd makeup job in TDK.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:02 PM
#339
What makes you say that?
Anne Hathaway is a beautiful woman in the right age group to be a romantic interest for Bruce Wayne. She's also a skilled actress that has played a lot of different roles and isn't locked into a certain type of role. Why would she be a distraction?
Granted that most of her movies to date haven't exactly been "action oriented", but so what? She spent a lot of time during biggest hit to date (Devil Wears Prada) working with Meryl Streep, one of the best actresses alive today, and allegedly spent a ton of time picking her brain to learn more about the craft. That's the sign of someone who wants to master her craft.
June 11th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
#340
I'm not worried about the action.
Or the acting. She's a good enough actress. I'm just not sure she's very Catwoman-y. Very pretty, but in more a girl next door type of thing. If Nolan's had a blind spot in these films, it's been the women. I mean, he was the guy who put Mrs. Tom Cruise in and thought it was a good idea. There are super-characters Hathaway could play. I'm just not sure the ultimate sexy Catwoman is one of them. But then everyone thought he was on crack for making Ledger the Joker, and well....so we'll see.
June 11th, 2012 at 10:23 PM
#341
She can't possibly be any worse or more of a distraction
Than Maggie Gyllenhall (sp?) was.
Everyone else is great looking and a billionaire wants her? Right. That was the most improbable thing of the whole movie!
June 12th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
#342
Well, they were childhood friends
Maybe that blinded him a bit. (Blind as a bat?). I mean, it was BEFORE he met Catwoman.
I mean, really, the character's only point was to die reeeaaaal good.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:09 PM
#343
Filmed in Pittsburgh
A portion of the movie was filmed here in Pittsburgh - it is going to be sold out for weeks here. This city was nuts last summer during filming.
June 11th, 2012 at 7:36 PM
#344
Gotta snag my tix for the
Gotta snag my tix for the waterfront imax asap. OT question but I just moved here 6 mos ago, where is a fan friendly bar?
June 11th, 2012 at 3:29 PM
#345
The Dark Knight is like
The Dark Knight is like Chicken. If you don't like it.... There is something wrong with you.
June 11th, 2012 at 4:06 PM
#346
I like chicken!
... but I think there's something wrong with me anyway
June 11th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
#347
good but not great
to me. TDK I thought was visually amazing and had some really good scenes but overall the movie gets alot more hype than it deserves imo. Can someone explain why Morgan Freeman ( alfred ) was so upset about in the one scene when he was asked to spy on peoples phone calls to find the joker. I didnt understand all the drama and why it caused him to quit
June 11th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
#348
You do know that Morgan Freeman
Wasn't Alfred, right? Might want to give the movie another viewing and then come on back.
June 12th, 2012 at 3:47 PM
#349
Joker=War on Terror
It was a semi-ridiculous Hollywood political commentary on civil liberties and the Bush Administration's allegedly invasive tactics/policies in dealing with intelligence gathering and the general public. Very distracting during my first viewing and unnecessary, IMO.
Thank you Hollywood, please continue to make movies, and if you absolutely feel the need to hammer your audience with your ideology, at least make it a bit more subtle.
June 12th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
#350
Morgan Freeman was a
Morgan Freeman was a character names Lucius Fox, BTW.
So happy to see him acting and not narrating something
June 11th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
#353
good but not great
to me. TDK I thought was visually amazing and had some really good scenes but overall the movie gets alot more hype than it deserves imo. Can someone explain why Morgan Freeman ( alfred ) was so upset about in the one scene when he was asked to spy on peoples phone calls to find the joker. I didnt understand all the drama and why it caused him to quit
June 11th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
#354
good but not great
to me. TDK I thought was visually amazing and had some really good scenes but overall the movie gets alot more hype than it deserves imo.
June 11th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
#355
How did you triple post
3 minutes later?
June 11th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
#356
so that spam filter just
so that spam filter just confused the hell out of me. Appologies for the two and a half posts
June 11th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
#357
wow yeah complete brain fart
wow yeah complete brain fart idk why i thought he was alfred
June 11th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
#358
Yeah Alfred was never a
Yeah Alfred was never a brother. That would be Racist
June 11th, 2012 at 5:06 PM
#359
I'm just glad Maggie
I'm just glad Maggie Gyllenhaal isn't in this one. Gross.
June 12th, 2012 at 1:55 AM
#360
I am right there with you.
I am right there with you. Unfortunately I dislike Anne Hathaway just as much. I never thought I would say but its too bad Katie Holmes had to get killed off. They chose three of the most annoying actresses in Hollywood for these movies in my opinion. If they come out with a surprise fourth movie I'd bet a hundred bucks they cast Kirsten Dunst and Drew Barrymore in it. Unfortunate because I love these movies.
June 12th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
#361
Boy, I hope you don't hate her too-
Or I'm going to start thinking Nolan is out to get you.
June 11th, 2012 at 5:49 PM
#362
I wasn't all that impressed
I wasn't all that impressed originally by Batman Begins. I thought Ra's Al Ghul and The Scarecrow were sort of weak villains and Katie Holmes was just bad.
I didn't buy into any of The Dark Knight hype and didn't see it until it was out on Blu ray at my friends but man did I regret not seeing it in theaters. Sure it's got plenty of suspension of disbelief moments but the action is excellent and the story is very good.
Action movies unless they are something conceptual like Inception should have the biggest leeway getting away with plot holes and implausibilities. Just sit back and enjoy.
June 12th, 2012 at 5:44 PM
#363
Ra's Al Ghul a weak villain?
Ra's Al Ghul a weak villain? The man's been alive for like 600 years!!!
June 12th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
#364
This Movie
This movie wont be as good as the second movie. Nothing will be that good, but it better be good.
