OT - Pryor accuser 'outed' by former Ohio player Brandon Joe

is some funny stuff right there. Yessir.

Cicero, the students at The Lantern, and Ray Small have all received at least one death threat.  

but the guys "exposing" RR were freshmen with quotes taken out of context and ex-players who exaggerated (as evidenced by the NCAA's findings).

Henton may well be exaggerating and TP may have took nothing or the NCAA may not find any evidence. That's fine and Buckeyes should turn on Henton for lying.

We are all going on the assumption that he's being truthful and there are cashed checks to verify his claims. Since he, Cicero, and (it appears Small) all are currently appearing to be truthful.

Buckeyes should be pissed, but at JT and the compliance department.

In my opinion, had a Michigan player exposed a transgression, we'd turn on him too.  Kind of happened with the RR practice fiasco, but not nearly as controversial or destructive.<

I sort of understand the point you are trying to make and everything, and I presume that you intended no offense, but let's recall the situation a little more clearly.

The "RR practice fiasco" as you term it did not really involve any "whistleblowers" that any of us know of.  If Morgan Trent was Rosenberg whistle-blower, he hasn't had the guts to say so.  If Justin Boren or his dad, or Ryan Mallet or his dad, were Rosenberg "whistleblowers," they have not had the guts to say so.  And the Borens earned all of the shit they have gotten for completely separate ("family values") reasons.

There were two named alleged whistleblowers, but their story is almost completely opposite.  Je'Ron Stokes and Brandin Hawthorne were quoted by name by Rosenberg and Snyder (Why?  Why quote them, but not anyone else?), but they were clearly misquoted and abused in the process.  I'm not aware of anyone in our camp going after them, and the one and only time that I ever saw Rich Rodriguez get choked up (not "crying") was when he was defending his two freshman players, Stokes and Hawthorne, from the despicable abuse that the Free Press inflicted on them.

In a word, what's amazing about the whole Stretchgate episode is that there's never really been any identifiable whistleblowers.  You would certainly expect that Rosenberg and Snyder would keep those secrets to their deathbeds.  That's what reporters do.  But honestly, if people behind the scenes had really been confident about what they had seen, and what large numbers of people had clearly and consistently told to Rosenberg, don't you think that we'd have heard about that by now?  In a way, it was all pretty quickly supplanted by the real joint investigation that Michigan and the NCAA conducted.  And the current events news leaking out of Columbus just goes to show in yet another small way how totally unlike the two cases -- Michigan and OSU -- are. 

Any Michigan fan with a half a brain would celebrate a whisteblower.  Notice how far back the Fab5 thing set back the basketball program and the blackeyes we took when players lied.  I'd rather have a guy out us, get hit with a single major and move on.  

Five guys getting Tats wouldn't have been killer for tOSU.  The lying and everything though, that is killing them now.  

What the fans think matters far less, imo, than what the current/former players think and say.  With the practicing time situation, you didn't have players coming out throwing the alleged sources under the bus.  With osu, you have current and former players bickering back and forth about "sacred brotherhoods" and betrayal and being "fake" or whatever.  I've never seen such acrimony aired publicly amongst players.  I think this speaks volumes and is just a precursor of what's to come.

It is never pleasant for friends or teammates to inform on one another.  But there is a vast difference between exposing things that are just wrong and are hurting the institution versus sour grapes accusations like those made against UM in the Freep.  What tsio really needs is to clean up their mess.  This is going to involve major sanctions.  But they need to clean up their mess. If it was UM, I think most of us would be demanding that things be cleaned up and that we would grit our teeth through sanctions to get it done.

an insider from the brotherhood to explain to me the why ratting is bad, but outing is good, and what the difference is between the two.

Wasn't part of it that the original allegations were that we were flagrantly exceeding practice time, but the UofMs final report stated the original allegations were incredibley overblown?

...I'm just enjoying watching the "sacred brotherhood" destroy itself from the inside.

the enemy of their enemy become their friend?  I'm getting the feeling that many have turned on Pryor - will they at some point embrace those who further his personal ignominy if it is done without besmriching the program?