OT - Prosecutors in Jameis Winston case: Press Conference @ 2pm EST
Not a discussion on presumption of innocence or guilt - just found it interesting that the Prosecutors office in Florida is having a Press Conference to discuss their findings and plans in regards to the Jameis Winston rape case.
Many believe the announcement of a Press Conference signals that the prosector will choose NOT to file rape charges...although I also see that Sexual Battery is on the table as well.
What do you think? From what you've read, do you think Winston gets charged with anything? Especially in light of the debacle of a police investigation by the Tallahassee P.D.?
EDIT: Winston not to be charged. Great work Prosecutors on giving ESPN the scoop BEFORE your press conference. Might as well cancel.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:38 PM ^
ESPN is reporting right now that charges will not be filed.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:39 PM ^
No charges. Not shocked.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:42 PM ^
Thank God. Nothing would have pissed me off more than watching Ohio back into a national championship facing and probably beating FSU without their all-world QB. Would have been almost as bad as how the refs robbed Miami in OT in 2002.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:45 PM ^
Really? Because if they thought he was guilty, and filed charges, I'd be absolutely fine with OSU playing against a Winston-less FSU team in the MNC game. Without a question.
December 5th, 2013 at 3:34 PM ^
Had to laugh.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:53 PM ^
December 5th, 2013 at 1:54 PM ^
You'd rather see a rapist not face justice for his alleged crime than for OSU to play in the national championship? I would contend that those priorities are not straight.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:58 PM ^
Your performance in that post was worst than your avatars performance against Nebraska.
Did your keyboard simply fail to execute?
December 5th, 2013 at 5:56 PM ^
No, he just needs 2-3 more years to get "his" keys in the keyboard and allow those keys to mature. Stop being so impatient and short-sighted.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:59 PM ^
What a surprise, an unreasonable poster who also doubles as an al borges hater
could...they...be...correlated??????!?!?!!?!?!?
December 5th, 2013 at 3:50 PM ^
guilty of wanting good football on both counts without any real concern for intangibles.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:40 PM ^
According to ESPN Winston will not be charged in connection to the sexual assault case.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:45 PM ^
this is for you.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:50 PM ^
The hunting tactics of the komodo dragon scare the shit out of me. So thanks for the heads up.
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Also, (insert offensive things here)!
December 5th, 2013 at 5:05 PM ^
It's a monitor lizard - thus the thing
December 6th, 2013 at 8:24 AM ^
The Komodo dragon[3] (Varanus komodoensis), also known as the Komodo monitor, is a large species of lizard found in the Indonesian islands of Komodo, Rinca, Flores, Gili Motang, and Padar.[4] A member of the monitor lizard family (Varanidae)...Yes, this is from wikipedia. But I don't care.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:44 PM ^
Forget his innocence or guilt - a press conference? I turned on SportsCenter this morning, and it reminded me of nothing more than waiting for a recruit's school picking ceremony. They had a goddamn timer on the top left counting down to whether the kid would be charged for rape.
You have to be an absolutely enormous asshole to host a press conference for this. When you reach a decision you either let it be known there's no charges or you bring him into custody: that's the best for all parties involved.
The douche behind the mic will undoubtedly be running for higher office pretty soon.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:51 PM ^
^^^This^^^ Many times over. It is incredibly inappropriate to announce that you are making this into even more of a media $#!*storm. Arrest him or don't. Two peoples lives hang in the balance and your worried about your own notoritiy...disgusting.
December 5th, 2013 at 2:00 PM ^
Absolutely.
Even sadder: people are eating this up, so it probably isn't going to stop anytime soon.
December 5th, 2013 at 2:41 PM ^
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December 5th, 2013 at 2:43 PM ^
a picture is worth 1000 words.
December 5th, 2013 at 4:43 PM ^
Is that Willie Meggs wearing an FSU colored tie?
December 5th, 2013 at 2:57 PM ^
...because of course it is.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:46 PM ^
Everything I've been told points towards no charge. But let's not villify the victim for pressing charge because it could deter future victims from pressing charge.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:46 PM ^
Most of the details you would need to know to make an assessment were not made public. I found it odd that the alleged victim could not identify him, but the sex was supposedly consensual per the defendant, making it unlikely the two knew one another prior to the encounter.
If I had to guess I would say no charges, due to the timing, and the presser. Were he to be charged, I would have expected the investigation to go into the new year.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:51 PM ^
Of college parties. Not to say he's innocent in truth, but relatively anonymous consensual sex is pretty much a weekend staple
December 5th, 2013 at 1:57 PM ^
Based on what I read, the victim and the defendant knew each other. Allegedly there are/were photos of them together on facebook.
December 5th, 2013 at 3:06 PM ^
the original police report says she had several shots at a bar with friends, but her friends left and she got further drunk and was taken to an apartment somewhere by a black man she couldn't recall the features of. At the time she had no idea who did, or where she was taken. She said she said no and tried to fight him off but was unable. Even the police noted how intoxicated she was when she made the report, in a normal world a woman who can't even tell you where she is or describe the features of the man she was with probably can't consent either but who knows.
Then it's reported she saw Winston on campus and found out who he was and related this to the police. At which point... the case basically ended. They told his lawyer but didn't so much as question him or do anything and supposedly told her and her lawyer to drop it.
FSU people tell a different story and say she was a "cleat chaser" who'd been involved with him for weeks before the bar/apartment incident. It's hard to tell which is more accurate, but given that she filed a report within an hour of getting home I think her side is slightly more believable.
Either way, there was no evidence they could have used or anything to bring charges, largely because it all happened a year ago and the case went quiet after hitting the Tallahassee police.
December 5th, 2013 at 3:33 PM ^
her assailants features then how could she pick out Winston???
Something is not right here.
December 5th, 2013 at 3:42 PM ^
The estimated she had a .10% BAC at the time. While over the legal limit to drive, not exactly a large BAC.
December 5th, 2013 at 4:47 PM ^
Toxicology reports said her BAC was around 0.04% and there were no signs of drugs in her system.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:48 PM ^
Tomahawk Nation (HERE) wrote a rather long commentary on the subject this morning, and it is a pretty interesting read. It also includes a link to a tweet from late in November, referencing a statement in which the Florida State Attorney said that they would want to be sure of a reasonable chance of conviction before they filed charges, if indeed they were to do so. The implication seems to be that their assessment of the evidence did not meet that particular criterion.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:51 PM ^
December 5th, 2013 at 1:53 PM ^
...is true drunk kids who meet and have sex (one night stand), sexual assault?
No need to put any "ifs" or qualifiers on the question. I'm talking about what happens every weekend at every college or university.
Guy goes out with his boys...gets drunk. Girl goes out with her girls...gets drunk. They flirt, they makeout, the go home together, they have sex...she wakes up, does the walk of shame back to her dorm.
No intent, no drugs, no force. Both are "of age," but both were very drunk.
Is this scenario sexual assault?
December 5th, 2013 at 1:53 PM ^
If he was going to be charged, wouldn't they just charge him without the press conference?
December 5th, 2013 at 1:54 PM ^
Which is why you know that they will not be charging him.
No one sets up a press conference before charging/detaining someone.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:59 PM ^
Since they had the press conference scheduled I was convinced no charges would be brought. But then I saw they were also considering lesser charges of Sexual Battery - so then thought maybe the presser was to explain that they weren't charging with Rape, but the case remains open and other charges might be filed.
Either way - Press Conference over this smacks of narcissistic political maneuverings...
December 5th, 2013 at 1:55 PM ^
This move is just some political back peddling to try and keep the potential social uprising to a minimum.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:58 PM ^
DP. In the wrong spot. Please ignore.
December 5th, 2013 at 2:00 PM ^
In the wrong spot. How does that happen? Belly button?
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
December 5th, 2013 at 2:06 PM ^
Earhole. Don't ask.
December 5th, 2013 at 1:59 PM ^
But intoxication from alcohol removes the ability to give consent, at least in Michigan.
December 5th, 2013 at 2:06 PM ^
It's a circular argument. SUFFICIENT intoxication negates consent. But what is sufficient intoxication? Enough intoxication to remove the ability to consent.
There's a subjective component as well. If a victim is too drunk to consent, but offers 'consent' under circumstances that would lead a reasonable person to believe she had the capacity to do so, that's not a crime.
It's a terrible area of law with terrible gray areas that destroy bunches of lives.
December 5th, 2013 at 2:10 PM ^
but the "reasonable person" concept applies to the 12 people sitting in a jury box...that's who needs to be convinced...which is the key to this type of accusation.
December 5th, 2013 at 2:12 PM ^
Now I realize why the freshman sexual assault seminars err on the side of caution and say "don't have drunk sex." It may be a staple at colleges, but you're riding in the danger zone.