Thank goodness. I seriously hate the blah blah blah on sports center hyping the bajillionth Celtics game, I just really don't care about it. I love college bball, I just hate the pros.
OT: Probably No NBA Season
Totally agree, I could not care any less about spoiled millionaires vs. spoiled billionaires.
However I do feel bad for the ripple affected employees ie: concession, security, broadcast, trucking/delivery, janitorial etc..
Sure these guys make alot of money, but they spend alot too...
As an NHL fan, I'm happy that this NBA season most likely won't exist. This should bring the NHL to the forefront a bit more. Maybe it will even be featured on Sportscenter every once in a while.
As someone who bet a fellow MGoBlogger that the NBA season wouldn't occur, I'm looking forward to my $1!
Do the Pistons automatically get another top five or so draft pick without us having to endure them losing another 60 games in a season? If so, I'm ok with no NBA season.
That said, someone needs to go check on Bill Simmons. I'm scared what he might do to himself.
I'm not so worried...It's not exactly like Grantland has been putting any good content out, anyway...
I would assume not. The NHL did a weighted lottery for picks after the lockout, and I'm sure the NBA will do something similar.
How will the draft work?
I'm ready for another high Piston draft pick. I don't need to see the sucking to get there.
And considering most every team that's good in the NBA is one I can't stand (Bulls, Heat, Lakers, Celts....don't mind the Mavs, actually), one less year for them to be successful in their current players careers isn't bothering me much.
I have to say, I'm kind of enjoying the lack of Lebron and Miami talk....
quick, into the time machine! Darius Morris must be warned!
I'm sure he knew the situation better than casual fans, who already had a pretty good idea. Morris also got to come out in a season where quite a few underclassmen decided to stay in school, increasing the chances of getting a guaranteed contract as a first round pick. Unfortunately he didn't get it. If he waited till next year like everyone else, he's probably still a second round pick.
After a year of getting his room and board paid for, and time to work on his game and get instructions on how to be a better player. Now he'll compete for a roster spot with a bunch of guys who have been playing for the last year, while he's been.....not playing. Or looking for a team in China.
Yes, Captain Hindsight knows exactly what the right answer is now. But there was enough buzz about him in a pretty weak draft that I think it was worth taking the chance.
That there was no one saying it was a bad idea to go pro BEFORE the draft, do you?
Because there were some Captain Foresights who said the same thing
Just for the record, anyone following the NBA knew this day was likely for the past 3-4 years now. Darius took a risk and hopefully he and his family took this scenario into consideration and planned accordingly
News Broadcasters of America?
National Brewing Association?
National Boxing Assoc.
National Bar Assoc.
and my favorite...Newcastle Brown Ale
Nevada Brothel Association?
National Beef Ambassador?
Darius Morris sad panda face.
I think we might be pretty good anyway this year, but damn what could have been.
We still have this year and especially the next to look forward to.
Everyone who continues to validate the players or the owners for the money they think they should be making for their poor effort.
I hate the nba and would not be sad to see the league fold permanently. Out of the 4 major pro sports the NBA is by far the worst one. College basketball is awesome, the pros not so much.
was a great product at one time and I hope it can get back to that point. The primary problem with the NBA in my opinion is that there is a lack of a coherent and consistent power heirarchy i.e. does anybody believe that Lebron James is "playing for" Eric Spolstra. Professional sport is entertainment, and the NBA is no longer believable in that regard. As such, there is simply no drama, no intrigue. Everything feels contrived, as though the fan is constantly being manipulated. it is a sad day, because the NBA was once a great league.
In my very honest opinion, everything started going downhill after MJ retired. The first time. I can't even force myself to care anymore.
it was more awesome when guys stuck around for at least three years and there was continuity on the teams, and KY and NC couldn't gobble up the top recruits every year because there is always playing time available.
And I usually make the effort to watch ~60 of their regular season games each year. Not having a season is going to hurt.
But I don't blame the players; the most recent offer they've received is ludicrous. I'm not saying it's in their best economic interest to reject the offer - that is yet to be seen - but I don't *blame* them for responding in this fashion.
Chad Ford tweeted last night that the players should accept the deal, offering this reasoning: "I agree league's offer is one-sided & even unfair. But what's your best alternative to this deal? I don't see one"
I don't blame them for not backing down. Will it work? We'll see. But in this case I don't blame the players.
they floated the idea on october 12 (mere hours after i emailed the NBPA, asking if they were contractually bound by non-compete clauses not to start a rival league).
I won't miss it - just glad they are killing it now rather than go through the drama of starting the season and stopping midway.
One fewer outlet for Stuart Scott to come up with worthless statistics. This is the first NBA lockout in 30 years that at least 120 players from no fewer than 32 teams cannot come up with an agreement when there's a full moon, north of the Mason Dixon Line. I can't stand the NBA.
just Stuart Scott.
I love the idea of it and I love the Pistons. Chauncey Billups is my favorite player of all time, easily. I still remember beating the Lakers and being at my friends house and just rubbing it in. That said, I hate what the NBA has become. It's a bunch of divas and rigged games. We think the calls are bad during Michigan games, but play against the Heat or the Celtics or the Lakers and you won't get a single call to go your way. Now the NBA is only about money and showboating. Tradition is nothing. Teams like the Spurs and the Pistons or the 76ers or the Bucks will find it hard to compete in the future. You need to have a shit load of money and be in a prime market if you want to compete. The league needs a hard salary cap.
Good, no NBA on Sports Center.
The Mavericks will be champs forever and ever! Whoo!!!
I was just getting into the NBA again...that being said, I'm not upset about this. The players were getting over on the owners for so long and the owners were employing stupid people to run their teams. STOP SIGNING BAD CONTRACTS. I honestly didn't think another league would be stupid enough to pull off what the NHL did a few years ago. I can't ever side with the owners in these disputes...the players were getting so much of the revenues because you let them...your teams are struggling because you're making bad business deals. That's not on the players.
YES. Honestly, if you're Rashard Lewis, are you gonna turn down a max contract because you aren't worth it? Fuck no, you're gonna take it. The owners put themselves in this situation and they are trying to blame the players. It's nonsense.
"No Mr. Thomas I will not take the New York Knicks' hard earned money despite the fact that you already have six point guards on your roster. "
Now will ESPN finally realize that no one other than die-hard NBA fans actually miss the NBA?
This statement is more accurate when it comes to hockey, IMO.
They could cancel the entire season every year and I wouldn't care. The only thing the NBA is good for is the playoffs and even that is meh in many years.
Oh man, now Christmas is ruined. Yes, that was sarcasm. I couldnt he happier, I hate the nba. Not sure if it was discussed, but nba announcers will now be doing college games. I think that is a good idea.
"The only nuggets I like are the ones at McDonald's."
With college football, college basketball, college hockey, the NFL, the NHL, etc, the NBA will hardly be missed.
the NBA, but when the most valuable assets that many of your franchises have are expiring contracts paid to players who are not in the least bit productive you have a serious issue. Guys like Rashard Lewis can get 7 year guaranteed deals for north of $100M and they are not anywhere near franchise-level guys. It kills the incentive to work hard and improve, and you end up with a lot of lazy, unhappy bums who are dramatically overpaid.
This is one case in which I definitely side with the owners. They have been overpaying the majority of the league for years, and it is hurting the game.
Don't the owners sign-off on the contracts?
They are also instituing this rule where you can take one years salary off the books so that it doesn't count towards the salary cap. This is equally stupid because GMs can make these stupid offers without the consequences.
The owners are the ones who go over the salary cap and into the luxury tax to sign these ridiculous contracts.
And now they want the players to pay for their own mismangagement.
Yeah! How dare those players allow themselves to be overpaid. Why, when it comes time to sign on the dotted line, the players should say "Pardon me, Mr. and Mr. Maloof. There seems to be some sort of clerical error here. I believe there is one too many zeroes where it says 'offer terms.' Please correct it forthwith and I'll be happy to sign!"
The NBA is a free throw shooting contest. Tick tack fouls...lebron and d wade dont even get touched and they call fouls. Such a boring gm.
I don't give two craps about the NBA other than wanting former Michigan players to be successful.
I would rather watch Michigan basketball anyday.
Also this means that I wont have to deal with the insufferable Lakers fans that I am surrounded by.
I am only going to miss the NBA this year come April. I rather enjoy having the NBA and NHL playoffs going on at the same time.
in the company where I work. Sure, the owners got themselves into a mess where they're losing money faster than it was coming in. But playing hardball and asking for more of it isn't a recipe for success for the overall enterprise. Wasn't going to tune until the playoffs anyways, so no skin off my nose for these folks to take another 7 months of doing nothing and 1 month of negotiating to finally have a season next year....
To further the analogy, we've got 500 working here where there used to be 6000 - I'm guessing that some franchises won't make it so there will be some contraction as well before they start playing again.
Love that college bball!
I love how much this board hates the NBA.
The NBA cancelling its season would be incredible. More pub for hockey and less talk & analysis about something I care absolutely nothing about. Hopefully Michigan basketball will have a good season.
Unfortunately, ESPN will now be shoving other crap down our throats (WNBA, bowling, etc.).
Here's the thing that most people on this board don't understand: Outside of some Midwestern states and Massachusetts, people don't really care about hockey so it's still not going to get a lot of coverage on ESPN. Most NBA fans don't like hockey so why would they suddenly start watching more hockey? If anything college basketball will see a boost. NOT the NHL.
I don't expect ESPN to show any hockey because they don't have contracts to show hockey haha. But 25% less professional sports competition can't be a bad thing for the NHL, especially the one that is in the same part of the calendar.
I am not a hockey fan at all, and hockey gets crap ratings, because the majority of the country could give a rats ass about the sport. The NBA used to be one of my favorite sports, but the last ten years, I could have cared less about the league. Like one of the posters said, there is no intrigue in the NBA. Good for college hoops though and I feel bad for Darius Morris, he could have had a monster year this year. Hindsight is 20/20.
I can go to my local park to watch a bunch of guys half-ass their way through a basketball game.
Of all the reasons to hate the NBA, this is easily the tiredest and least true one. There's plenty of NFL'ers and MLB players who don't go 100% on every play.
The players and their agents need a wake-up call. Despite the "ticket prices are determined by supply and demand" excuse, salaries have priced their core audience out of the games. I think David Stern is a reptile, but I think he and the owners are right on this one.
It will be interesting seeing a bunch of millionaires who aren't qualified to do much more than work an entry-level job at Mickey D's in real life try to manage their finances with a year off. There will be questions like, "who is going to pay the posse," and "do I get to go to the strip club if I can't make it rain" and "you mean people have to live on $8 an hour?"
The players have severely overestimated their market value. It still pisses me off that when the players conspire to raise salaries, it's "freedom," but if the owners conspire to lower them, it's an "antitrust law violation." It would be really, really great to see the players and their agents slapped down in any lawsuit that may occur.
Oh Darius, Bo-Barius...Fe Fi, Fo-Farious...
BOREDCAT knows the feeling my man...
I wonder if Darius Morris is now regretting that premature jump to the NBA now...
OK unsubstantiated statement by one of the few NBA fans on the board.
Sure, everyone likes a winner, but the Pistons weren't THAT popular back then. I know I've never liked the NBA. Evah.
I went to 2 games against the Bucks during the playoffs bought tickets for both games for 15 dollars each time. They may have sold out, but not in the "these tickets are impossible to get!" sense.
My memory does not suck, but apparently yours exaggerates over time due to your obvious Pistons fandom.
Of course the Palace will sell out when you're making the Eastern Conference championship game every year. I think your point actually proves mine: Detroit has fair-weather basketball fans that don't care that much about Pistons, they care about winning.
and from my perspective i blame the owners.
You can't just ask for a 10% reduction in pay with nothing offered because you were too dumb to make your franchise profitable on its own. This whole ultimatum bullshit was just that to me, bull shit. Players are greedy, but i would love to see them somehow win an antitrust lawsuit just to turn the sports world on its head.
The players are the bigtgest asset, and in no sport do people pay to watch Mark Cuban or MJ or Dan Gilbert in their owners boxes, they need to get out of the spotlight. I liken owners to refs, best if they are seen and not heard.
Haven't followed the NBA close for a while, they seem to have lost it after the 80's/90's. Team concept/defense went bye-bye (Spurs/Piston excluded) and to me it was just I-teamers galore. Give me the Bad Boys/Jordan Bull's/Magic's Lakers/Knicks/Celtics and they would crush the teams now.
So here is a golden opportunity for NHL and CBB rating to should soar this season.
Your qualifier of "haven't followed the NBA close for a while" reveals your ignorance. What do the Bulls, Celtics, Magic, Heat, Lakers, and Mavs have in common last year? Top 10 in points allowed. This is an admittedly imperfect statistic, but recent Finals participants have been among the premier defensive teams in the league.
I don't pretend to know what Magic's Lakers, Jordan's Bulls, or Bird's Celtics would do against today's teams, particularly the Heat. But it's simply erroneous to assume they would stomp over today's teams. We just don't know, dude.
It's amusing frankly how everyone proclaims how much better all those 80s/90s teams are than the Heat, yet they complain about how those stars how no "help" and won titles on their own. For parts of his run, Magic had Worthy (#1 pick, HOF/Top 50, 7-time AS), Kareem (#1 pick, HOF/Top 50, #1 all-time scorer, 6-time MVP, 19-time AS), Byron Scott (#3 pick, solid scorer and shooter, excellent role player), Bob McAdoo (#2 pick, HOF, former star and MVP, 5-time AS), Michael Cooper (arguably top wing defender of the 80s) and more quality players amongst his "role players". Bird had Robert Parish (#8 pick, HOF/Top 50, 9-time AS), Kevin McHale (#3 pick, HOF/Top 50, 7-time AS), Bill Walton (#1 pick, HOF/Top 50, former MVP won 6th Man Award fo C's), Danny Ainge (key role player brought defense and shooting ability, 1-time AS), Dennis Johnson (HOF, key defensive stopper, former Finals MVP and 5-time AS) and more during his best days. Forgive me for not indulging in the Pistons and Bulls, but MJ, Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, Rodman, Thomas, Dumars, Laimbeer, etc speak for themselves as well.
Hardly the rag-tag group the Heat have as role players. Frankly, even Bosh is dwarfed by many of the aforementioned players. Besides, they play better defense than either of these teams. That era of "Showtime" saw countless matchups fly way up into the 100s, so I don't see where defense went. Now, the Bad Boys and Jordan's teams DID play better D, but I believe the 90s were a more defensive era in the NBA. Stop complaining about no D when theres more good D now, and stop complaining about LeBron not "winning on his own" when none of the aforementioned players did so.
/end rant, apologizes for rant
I just want basketball... (obviously)
Just for that reason...depth. And frankly star power, because up until maybe the last couple of seasons, really, even the elite players for the last decade haven't been to the level (in those numbers) as the players then. The League is finally recovered some, but will never match that level due to one thing - expansion. Subtract four teams, and spread the wealth of those rosters and cut out the lower tier players, and you'd have better teams.
I don't think it's fair to say to a LeBron that he should be able to carry a team on his own. But it's not completely unrealistic, because for the most part, he's playing other teams in the same situation. In the old days you either needed 3 star calibre players, or needed either A. 4-9 to all be starter level players like the Pistons or B. had Michael Jordan who counted as 2 stars all by himself. Nowadays, you have two star players, you're a contender. Or less if you play a team concept like the Mavs to some extent, and the Spurs and Pistons did to a greater extent. But go player by player, match up by match up, and those teams would get destroyed by The Lakers, Celtics, Sixers, Pistons, Bulls of old. I mean that was a time where teams like the Cavs, Hawks, and pretty much anyone from the West couldn't get a sniff because they couldn't get past those teams. Post (and inbetween Jordan), and eureka, teams of that level have a chance. Houston, Utah, Blazer type teams would be winning titles now, and competitive (if not actually dominant) with the teams of today.
Defense is generally better today, but there's 3 reasons for it. A. The Pistons instituted it, and the Bulls followed up so they could beat them, then the Knicks took it to silly levels. B. After that they made zone defense legal. It used to only be man to man, with the occassional double team (which made the game flow much better) and C. team could put it in the hoop then. They could shoot, drive, and post; fast breaks were common, and teams could score. The athleticism went up in the League, which helps defense, at the same time the skill set of early entry players went down, making offense a pain. Sure there is a group of players that finally has gotten the League to a competitive level again, and not the painful embarrassment it's been from the mid-90's to maybe the last couple of years. But it hasn't been close to what it was till just now, and that's why the perception is there.
And again, I mainly blame expansion. The star players on your 5 or 6 worst teams would be 3 or 4 guys on good teams. Starters would be bench players. It was too much, too fast. Almost all sports are better now than they ever have been, because the athletes just get that much bigger, faster, stronger. Baseball, Football, even Hockey, because even though they overexpanded they offset that a huge influx of talented foreign players that weren't available to them before; which the NBA has done, but no where to that level or extent. The NBA has players that are bigger and stronger and faster, and able to do more things at that size, but because they get less training (which players in college football have had to stay the same amount for most of it's existence) it offsets the greater talent. Isiah and Magic stayed 2 years. Now some kid not close to their talent level will be one and done. There's a cost.
I enjoyed the Pistons last title, with their team framework, and bringing back the defense to Detroit....but I don't kid myself that they wouldn't have been a first round playoff knockout for the Pistons in the late 80s-early 90s.
My only source would be Video Game like. Do want the original Dream Team (92) or current? I'll take 92.
Also yes I do not follow B-ball except for SC and box scores, so I really have no basis just gut feeling about the I-Teamers of today.
"[I haven't watched the NBA in 20 years]"
"[I have some strong opinions about how today's game is played]"
2008 featured a dominant Celtics defense take them all the way to the title, and the way that team came together was truly special. The consumate vet Pierce, the classiest pure shoter in the game Ray Allen, and the quiet giant who never complained about his situation in Minnesota but broke down in tears when he got his first title Garnett.
This past year featured Dirk Nowitzki bomb in two finals games offensively and yet still be carried to the promised land by his teammates, who played solid defense and distributed the ball well, beating the consumate "MEMEME" team the Miami Heat.
I really think you're missing out on some amazing basketball. There has been a renaissance in the league since 2005; players like LeBron/Durant/Kobe are playing some of the sickest basketball you will ever see.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees the nonsense going on in this thread
Amen, I feel like I'm in a parallel universe where my normally rational, classy, insightful fellow Wolverines have turned into grouchy bigots.
Yep, we're bigots because we don't like the NBA. Thanks.
I was referring to the "the thugs are on the loose" comments above; should have said *grouches and (in some cases) bigots.
Definitely my bad.
But wishing that the NBA would go away or be permanently damaged is stupid. There are people (like me and at least a few others) who enjoy the NBA. You seem to be enjoying our disappointment to a remarkably obnoxious degree. It's one thing to dislike the NBA and to ignore it. It's another to hope that others lose the opportunity to watch a sport they enjoy.
If I started a post on here about how I wanted the NHL to go out of business, I'd probably be banned from the site.
But expressing such sentiments about the NBA is not merely tolerated; it's celebrated by many.
Don't care about the NBA. I just wish Darius was still here.
If it means more people finding love in the NHL again, I'm all for it. I was excited to see what Brandon Knight could do with the Pistons this year, but whatever. MOAR HOCKEY COVERAGE PLEASE!!
Doesnt mean more NHL coverage. It means more NFL coverage until February, and then more Yanks- Sox in February and March.
I can't beleive how bad the ESPN has gotten with NFL. You can't even get college football highlights Sunday morning!! It's abour injury reports and what diva reciever is being a diva receiver or Hammerin' Hank's picks. Not to mention this is before the 2 hours of NFL pregame they have which also covers the same infomation.
It's Sunday morning please give me college highlights, maybe I didn't stay up until 2 AM watching USC- Arizona, or I didn't see highlights of the night games.
I'll be honest with ya, I haven't watched a full NFL game all season. With my Colts being abysmal this year, I haven't really cared. I agree totally with you about ESPN. The NFL is the most overrated league in all of sports.
At this point, the NHL is a niche sport. Not enough people like it to justify more coverage on the major media networks. No NBA isn't going to change this because people that like pro basketball are typically not hockey fans.
When Morris decided to leave I was critical of his decision for the simple fact of the lockout weighing on the same side of the ledger as "might not be a first round pick". I was crushed on this blog for that opinion, assuming I was selfishly hoping he'd stay to help the team. I can't really argue that - I wanted him on the team to see how far they could go. But I also questioned the business decision of his move considering the lockout and wished him well no matter what he did.
Getting drafted by the Lakers was the best case scenario if he fell to the second round, but now he's left without a league to play in. And signing with a European team is not an option if he ever wants to get into camp with the Lakers. I hope he and his family took steps to prepare for this situation because he's a great kid and a good player. I wish him the best....but I also wish he were suiting up tonight and leading the team to a possible conference championship.
In the end I think Simmons' proposal is best - sign a 2-year labor deal with few changes so it buys you time to blow up the whole system. And when they do I think they should try to adopt either an MLB or NHL style draft program where college kids didn't have to forfeit their eligibility to go through the draft.
It's constantly said that the NBA is a player's league, no coach, no GM no owner can control the players (see Mimai Heat). Therefore, blame the players.
it's a GM's league.
If you pay $110 million to Gilbert Arenas and then scream that you are unprofitable, I have news for you... it's not the collective bargaining agreement that is to blame.
Sam Presenti over in OKC has shown that it is very possible to field an excellent team with good chemistry and remain comfortably below the luxury tax threshold. No problems with players there.
Woooooohoooooo! Death to the NBA!
My wife and I work all the pistons games. so if they dont play we are out about $25,000. I will be able to pick up some more michigan and state b-ball games. But it will not make up for all those games lost. Yes the NBA sucks and needs to be fixed. but it will be at the expence of the little people that are just trying to pay their bills. The people that broadcast the games(like me, camera guy) ushers, food servers, parking. Everyone that works in that area around the arena will be affected.
As someone who just didn't grow up on hockey living in Florida, this is depressing. I'm looking forward to UM hoops and all, but college basketball alone doesn't get me through January and February. Similarly, the wait for football this year will begin at the end of March Madness without the excessively-long NBA Playoffs to entertain me.
I know plenty of hockey lovers expect this to benefit the NHL, but I don't know how much it will. Sure, the demographic usually interested in hockey may enjoy a bit more coverage, but trust me when I say few non-hockey people will be converted. I don't mean to diss the sport, because I respect the hell out of hockey players. I just doubt basketball people will suddenly pick up hockey.
Lastly, I am a Heat fan, so a lockout comes at a poor time as I believe Dwyane Wade only has 2 or 3 years left as a top 3 superstar. Haters can say what they want about Lebron, but the Heat were the absolute favorite this year, and I'm disappointed to miss the excitement of seeing that team on the court.
I agree with you completely. I'm not sure where some hockey fans get the idea that the NHL will suddenly become more popular. Pro Basketball fans and NHL fans are two very different types of people. The people that want to watch the NBA aren't going to turn to hockey.
I know that sounds bad, but I think both sides need to be brought down a couple of notches. These overpaid multimillionaires (both sides) whine and complain about their situations yet they blow hundreds of thousands on stupid shit. I don't ever want to hear another millionaire talk about feeding his family. There's a reason that the majority of these athletes are broke shortly after getting out of the league.
None of these rich guys understand living paycheck to paycheck. Heck, most pro athletes struggle with retirement because they can't deal with the reality of actually having to pay for every day things and not getting everything for free.
BONUS: Not having to hear about LeBron for six months is awesome.
I won't miss seeing the Pistons lose a ton of games, but I was looking forward to seeing how good Brandon Knight is, and the further development of the young players.
Players fault. Teams are losing money and they want too much. I guess I don't mind if they want to sit on their house payments for a year. I too hate the NBA.
owners voluntarily went into the luxury tax time and time again to hand out awful contracts. who's fault is that?
Nobody's - its a consequence of competition. When you have teams like the Lakers, Celtics and Heat that can afford to do so and still be profitable, if you want to compete, you have to do the same thing
Thats why the owners are trying to fix these problems, but the players (prodded by their agents) are having none of it
Nobody is blameless here but the fact is that something has to be fixed, and the agents and players arent allowing it to happen in any way
The NBA blows. Certain "star" players play by different rules than everyone else. And it's been that way for years. Used to be you couldn't look at Michael Jordan with a mean expression on your face lest he bitch and moan and get every call. Never mind he was prison-raping his man on the other end.
My personal definition of the acronym NBA is "Not Basketball Anymore." I mean, can we please keep the steps after picking up the dribble under 3? How about that "iso" play where one guy dribbles and the other 4 watch? What say someone other than a guard actually shoot free throws better than 60%? Sure the NBA is loaded with guys who have incredible athleticism, it's just too bad they can't shoot, pass or handle.
I assume you don't watch a lot of NBA because your opinion on how the league plays is flat out incorrect.
I don't understand the people who pretend to understand basketball and say that the quality of play is lower in the NBA than in college.
Free throw percentages:
NBA: ~75% every year (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/sports/basketball/04freethrow.html?pagewanted=all)
NCAA: ~69% every year
Isolation plays don't account for anywhere near the majority of offensive possessions. MySynergySports reports that the median NBA offense gets about 12% of its scoring attempts from isos. (http://hoopspeak.com/2011/02/iso-a-no-no-for-boston/)
Athleticism aside, the median NBA player is far more skilled than the median college player. Shooting is better, defense is better, coaching is more nuanced. I'll enjoy watching more college hoops this year, but I'm definitely bummed that my favorite league will not be in session.
the exact same thing. I know hindsight and all, but with as low as he was taken compared to expectations and no season bet he would rather be here playing.
I don't really care for NBA basketball, especially with the Piston's downturn. However, I feel really bad for the non-millionaires affected by this, such as those who work for the Palace. Only so many concerts can keep people working for so long...
Good. Both sides needed to feel the pain, and hopefully this loss will force them to seriously reevaluate their positions and how the NBA needs to function to be successful. Players need to realize the owners cannot operate at near-losses most of the time, while the owners need to be more judicious with the contracts they hand out.
While I don't regularly watch the NBA i do like to have it around. If i'm really bored during a random night there always seems to be a game on that I can watch.
does that mean there wont be another 2013 NBA LIVE xbox game made? Anyways you better lock your house doors and windows cuz the thugs are jobless and they will be shooting up the block.
Wow I seriously hope that was sarcasm
Steve Nash and Kevin Durant are probably scoping out your place right now.
"Out of Bounds shows that an alarming four out of every ten NBA players have a police record involving a serious crime."
A little out of date but not much has changed
If that quote is what passes for statistics these days, the NBA is the least of our worries:
"The Bryant, Williams and Patterson cases are just a few of dozens of criminal cases involving current or former NBA players, according to Benedict. Of the 417 American-born players in the 2002 NBA register, he managed to obtain information on 177. He found that 71 of them — or 40 percent — had been investigated, arrested or convicted of a serious crime. "
Are you kidding me?
An arrest without a convinction constitutes "a police record involving serious crime"? The author couldn't locate criminal records on 58% of NBA players, but for those he could find records on, 40% had at one point been arrested or convicted or INVESTIGATED?
And from this he says "40% of NBA players have a record involving serious crime"?
I can't tell if I'm more disgusted that this got on the front cover of a book jacket or that you believed this stat unquestioningly.
Wow you are putting WAY too much thought into a losing argument. It was the first thing i found with a cursory search but if you dont realize that NBA players commit serious crimes at a rate well above the general public, let alone the general public in their tax bracket, you are just delusional
lol, disgusted. have fun with that
I am not familiar with any evidence that NBA players commit serious crimes at a rate well above the general public, though I do believe that such conduct is covered much more extensively. I'm not delusional, I just withhold judgment on something I have no evidence on.
If you believe that NBA players are disproportionately likely to be criminals with no research on the matter, I consider that kind of thinking bigotry.
Even if you are by chance correct, the fact that you don't question statistics like the one you provided as "evidence" indicates that our opinion is one borne of personal prejudice, not examination or fact.
Youre right, i'm bigoted toward NBA players. Makes perfect sense
I didnt have to do any research TODAY because this stuff is all common knowledge and Ive read it all before. I simply took a minute to find the easiest available example. Heres another:
"As director of the Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sports at University of Central Florida, he's been crunching numbers regarding professional and college players since the mid-1990s.....But Lapchick is confident the ratio of 3-to-1, based largely on the number of athletes arrested on domestic violence and drug charges versus those in the general population, is a reliable rule of thumb."
Again, irrespective of YOUR not being aware of it, this stuff is common knowledge. If you want to educate yourself, I encourage you to do so, but I dont need to, I already know the truth. I apologize for not bookmarking these things at the time I read them so i could prove that to you.
In this other fairly vague newspaper quote, Lapchick is attributed with the assetion that "men in general commit violent acts against women at the same rate as athletes, calling it an epidemic that encompasses all class distinctions." http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/19/sports/sp-crime19 As for the rate of drug convictions, I for one would be shocked to hear that 20-30 year-old-men with enormous amounts of disposable cash would use marijuana at a higher rate than the general population.
All of the above is moot, though, because we all already know that NBA players are violent thugs. Notwithstanding the embarrisingly stupid application of statistics.
What happens to player contracts if the players decertify and the season is done? Does that take another year off Hamilton's contract? Does it bring us one year closer to some of the dead weight being off the Pistons' roster?
If so, I don't mind losing a year.
But I have a feeling the season will be salvaged.
If they could just do away with baseball next and have football, hockey, and college basketball year round I would be a happy man. Throw out the boring and hard to watch sports and promote the interesting ones.
And not a single fuck was given today
is the reason the NBA suffers. Both ownership and players are at fault here. I understand players have to try and get what they can get, but when owners refuse to pay ridiculous salaries, players cry collusion. The NBA needs to drop about eight to 10 teams and consolidate spread the talent around to make more teams competitive. The NBA screwed up when they let Lebron and co walk away from their od teams to all join together in Miami.
Based on the responses here, I'd say the NBA may be the least popular league around. I don't know if the Pistons' struggles cause that or not, but David Stearn is smoking crack if he really thinks the majority of people care about the NBA until the playoffs. And even then, it's pretty suspect.
"Based on the responses here, I'd say the NBA may be the least popular league around. " In Michigan? Yes. Around the rest of the US? No.
I'm sure if you ask about sentiment towards the NHL in an SEC forum and you will get similarly unprepresentative opinions
Basketball is the second biggest sport internationally, and its potential has shown little sign of abating. The NFL is king, but US football has gained little traction outside of our borders. I think it's fair to say that the NBA was on the rise, and even given the disaster of this labor dispute, will likely continue to grow tremendously in popularity into the future.
as the players. Yes, the owners were stupid to offer a 58-42% split. So the owners are trying to get things closer to even. What's wrong with 52-48? The players get huge contracts many guaranteed and they don't have to pay anything back when no one shows up to watch them take the night off like many of them do several times a season.
If the players shouldn't be expected to play hard every night, then shortenthe season to 60 games. Pay the players based on wins, not on individual efforts. If you wnat people to show up and people to pay to watch, then prove you're all about winning. Like any business employees are paid for results.
If the Hornets can't keep Chris Paul the NBA is dead to me anyway.
The NBA isn't really in a position of popularity to lose an entire season. They won't fair as bad as the NHL for the '04-'05 season but they'll lose alot of casual fans.
If this season gets killed, the Hornets might not even exist at the end.
I lost my passion for the NBA when the Pistons traded Chauncey and proceeded to stink it up . It's just not the same without the Palace screaming and yelling and DEEEEETROIT BASKETBALL. Also, they messed around with the NBA defensive rules. Back in the day you could have the Bad Boys mess people up. I love the old NBA, but I'm not a fan of the new NBA.
That would suck because I do enjoy the game, but if TNT would be so kind as to fill the space with episodes of "The Closer", for I am a season behind, that would suffice.
LSA200, I kept seeing "My Little Pony" crop up seemingly everywhere, and often in strange contexts (see: MGoBlog board) and finally got around to watching a bit of it.
Thanks for the subliminal recommendation.
You can see now why I chose Rainbow Dash as an avatar for a Michigan athletics site, eh?
My wife and I sat down with the kids one Saturday early this year and watched it with them and we actually found it.....funny and culturally not tone deaf (it makes references to Benny Hill, X-Men, 2001: A SPace Odyssey, and many other shows and films).
but now whenever I see Rainbow Dash I wonder why his coiffe isn't maize and blue
Wow, didn't realize the feelings on the NBA ranged from "die-hard defender" to "pure hatred".
I grew up in Chicago during the 90s which meant I spent my formative years believing Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen were cooler than Batman & Robin (I quickly learned Batman is cooler than any real or fictional person) and it cultivated a lifelong interest in the NBA.
The league suffered a serious decline when Jordan retired and there was a lack of interesting stars to take his place (the Kobe vs Shaq Lakers winning 3 in a row and then self-destructing was the league's biggest storyline from 2000-2004 plus the shady officiating) and then seemingly rebounded over the past 3-4 years with 2 Lakers vs Celtics Finals (the Michigan-Ohio of the NBA), renewed interest from casual fans in rooting against LeBron James and the likes of Derrick Rose, Durant, Blake Griffin, Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, and other young stars performing in the playoffs.
Now, it seems as Stern said in his presser today, the "nuclear winter" option has been realized which as the Commissioner of the NBA is like John F. Kennedy saying the same damn thing in the 1960s. It foretells a long, arduous process that could see the players form their own league or pro basketball being played only in Europe for a couple of years or really, anything.
The owners say they couldn't continue under the current system. The players didn't buy it. Despite being an interested observer, I have to concur that the NBA believes it is more important to the casual populace than it really is. Ask the NHL how that turns out.
I mean the Pistons wern't going to be competitive anyway.
Good, now maybe people will finally adopt hockey. Wati....no, probably not.
I don't really care all that much, but it sucks for the people who actually are really into the NBA. I know how it felt during the NHL lockout. It fucking sucked.
Yes - This post is completely out of character for me.
This thread kicks me while I'm down.
The answer: Who cares. Haven't missed it yet, won't miss it next year at this time.
I could care less....even as a Pistons fan this is what they deserve