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fair point that
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why though? 9 yrs for a DH, and miggy doesnt have range to play 3rd. i guess ilitch really wants a ring badly. not sure about that one.
We must get you into rehab before crack kills you. Team needs big bat. Biggest bat available commandeered. Rejoice.
There's always one.
Fielder to 1st/DH
Miggy to 3rd/DH
Victor DH when healthy
...to keep pursuing the Cuban centerfielder Yoennis Cespedes. It is outside-the-box thinking, but they could then put Cabrera in centerfield sandwiched between Austin Jackson and Cespedes. Fielder can have first and Martinez can return to the DH.
MLBTR is reporting. It's done. OMG YES.
you confirm that this signing is a direct result of a Shane Morris Tweet.
Do we really need confirmation? I think we all know the answer to that question... Shane's going to single-handedly return the State of Michigan to where it once was. We should just call him Neo. Is that too much pressure?
why on earth do we not have a TREMENDOUS option on the moderate selections...this thread is FULL of TREMENDOUS!
If this is real you just made my day.
As a huge Brewer's fan, I am sad to see Prince go, but I wont lose any sleep over it. His inconsistencies will drive you guys nuts. He will go on MVP type streaks and carry the team, and at other times he looks lost and he gets extremely frustrated. Also his first base play is one of the worst in the leagues, but you guys have the DH which will help him. But overall Prince loves the game of baseball, and is a very competitive guy. He never takes a day off, and will always give it his all. Just one warning for you guys, Prince does get off to slow starts to start the year, so dont get on him too soon if he struggles to start the year. But as a Brewer fan, congrats to the Tigers and to Prince on getting a huge contract he wanted.
Appreciate the info, but I doubt he will spend much time carrying the team as we have this guy named Miguel Cabrera who is pretty good
Not disagreeing with you necessarily, but the Brewers have Braun.
Is there a player in baseball who doesn't go on streaks? No there isn't. Prince has been on base at a .400+ clip for 3 years running. He walked more than he struckout last year. Whatever inconsistencies he has, they are nothing compared to 95 percent of the rest of the league's players.
at least you can take comfort in the fact that Prince did not go to the Cubbies.
They are talking about it on the radio right now.
Come accomplish what your father never could.
Is Terry Foster saying anything about it? A few weeks ago, he called every caller an idiot who suggested Prince could be talked into becoming a Tiger.
For 214 million dollars (around 24 a year) anybody could be talked into anything
FULFILL YOUR DESTINY!
Wow!! I am guessing he will DH for 90% of the games. Big bat that replaces V-Mart.
That is a lot.
Very interesting. I thought it would be just a one year thing, but it's nine years. Victor is out this year, but what about 2013? Does Cabrera go back to 3rd? Holy crap though, what a huge signing. GO TIGERS!!!!
prince signing a one year contract? dont think so
Petition the American League for two DHs because Brandon Inge is still playing third
What are they doing with Avila, VMart (when healthy), Miggy and Fielder? Do they really expect Miggy or Fielder to be anything other than unmitigated disasters fielding 1B in 4-5 years?
You assume Victor Martinez will be able to play again.
I don't think it's fair to characterize Cabrera's defense at first as an unmitigated disaster. If he gets bumped over to third, you may be right
Agreed. Cabrera's not a glove wizard, but he's really not THAT bad at 1B. I'm OK with it.
There is absolutely no way this happening. One year deal maybe. But nine years, I'll believe it in year number eight.
Miggy and Prince rotating 1B every game? I think Vmart's deal is up after this year anyway...they could have done much worse.
We've got Vmart through 2014
that makes this less appealing.
They have a whole year to figure out what to do with VMart & could very well trade him for a pitcher or an actual Third Baseman (to replace the horrendous Inge/Kelly platoon we have now)
I doubt Vmart has any substantial trade value.
Do other teams not like guys that hit .300, can play a couple positions, hit in the clutch, and are model clubouse citizens? I realize he has bad kneww, but there'sno reason he can't recover and give a team a couple good years starting in '13
Except that he can't play multiple positions very well, he's near the end of his career and has a pretty big contract for a dude who can only DH and doesn't hit for much power anymore. I love Vmart and am happy he's a Tiger, but there's not much of a market for him.
That's absolutely not true. There's always a market for players who hit .330 with over 100 RBIs and a .400 average with RISP, whether they are stricly a DH or not (in V-Mart's case, he can even give you some games at Catcher and First Base).
The number of times he's hit .330 or better: twice in 10 years. times he's hit 100 RBI: 4. Its not like this is Miguel Cabrera. He's not very good at catcher and can't give you more than maybe 30 games a season there without being a serious liability and has little to no experience playing 1B...and he doesn't hit for power.
10 years ago he was a Rookie and only played in 12 games. The year after that he only played in 49 games. It seems pretty ridiculous to count those two years as an accurate representation of the calibur of player he is. In the 8 seasons since V-Mart became an everyday big leage player, he has hit over .300 six times, had over 100 RBIs four times, and hit 20 or more homeruns five times, including two out of the last three seasons.
The guy is a career .303 hitter that drives in runs and has a decent amount of pop. He may not be a superstar, but to say he has no value is totally incorrect. Victor Martinez is a very good player, and there are many teams that would love to have him.
Fortunately, it sounds like the plan for now is to keep him around, so it doesn't matter anyway.
He's a very good player, I just think he's a lot more valuable as a FA than in a trade...I think you'd get something for him but I don't think you could trade him for anything substantial. I never said he'd have no value, he just doesn't have very much trade value.
9 years? That contract is going to look awful on the back end.
He is only 27 and I think it depends on the nature of the contract. It may have buy out clauses in it after a certain year.
who held their peak value into their mid-30s is not long. And they're basically paying him like he's going to hold his peak value for the life of the deal.
i don't anyone thinks he will have his "peak value" in year 8-9. however, the going rate for elite players may be 30-35 million by then. so he doesn't need to be at his peak. he just needs to be a serviceable DH (ie. 25 HRs; 80 rbi).
with the stats you're predicting is worth like 2-3 wins a year. Unless inflation goes insane, that'll be a massive overpay.
well, how much was guillen worth the past couple years? basically nothing, and he cost $13 mil per year. yet, he was key in the 2006 run. i think illich is willing to overpay fielder on the back end of this deal for a chance at titles the next 3-5 years.
dombrowski is doing it the right way. a hitter is more likely to retain value over the long-term (see the many yankee SPs). so he drafts pitchers, pays them on the cheap early, and fills the offensive holes with free agents.
very smart, imo.
maybe this helps a bit - magglio and guillen averaged a combined $30 million the past several years. this is about the same as fielder and peralta. seems ok to me.