landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
OT: Prince Fielder dealt to Texas for Ian Kinsler
I like that the story on CBS says "we havent confirmed any contract details or talked to anyone involved, but we learned that it's happening." Great to get rid of that contract and keep Scherzer on going forward.
Rangers eat all of his stupid contract. Thanks Texas, max come on down
wow, if true...well wow.
Supposedly, Fielder's contract had a limited no-trade clause which named the Rangers, but from the sound of things right now, that doesn't appear to be an issue. I believe the Rangers were in the running for him when Detroit came to him with a few wheelbarrows full of cash two years ago as well. There's also a rumor that it might involve another player, but no information on who that might be.
If this is a straight up trade, it's awful for the Tigers. Kinsler is pretty meh at this point in his career.
But it makes sense.
1) Kinsler takes over 2nd, Tigers don't have to re-sign Omar Infante or find a 2nd baseman in free agency
2) Frees up money to re-sign Max Scherzer
3) Miggy moves back to first leaving 3rd open for Nick Castellanos to move up to Detroit
4) Kinsler can lead off freeing Austin Jackson. To move back in the lineup.
5) leaves Tigers money to go bring in an outfielder and some bullpen help in free agency if they want to.
They will need to find a power bat to protect Miggy, maybe that will be who slots into the open left field spot.
All good points. I just figured the Tigers would maybe get a couple prospects out of it. I know Prince hasn't lived up to the monster deal he got, but moving Miggy back to first and letting Castellanos play every day at 3rd sounds like a win. Along with freeing up a ton of cap space to get some bullpen help and an outfielder.
They saved a shit load of money by trading away Prince. That's a major win in my book. Prince is on a decline (ditto with Kinsler) and that does not justify his current contract. Kinsler's WAR is better than Prince.
If you think Kinsler is meh now, I'd love for you to see Prince at the end of his contract. And to me, 25 HRs/100 RBIs from a $20mil/year player isn't too great either.
Are several rumors suggesting that there are off field issues involving fielder and other players. Not issues that he created. I don't think he wants to be in Detroit and this may be for his benefit as well as the tigers.
Below average defense, not a great base runner and had an OPS barely better than Don Kelly for most of the season. This was a contract that most baseball people said would be an issue once his play starts to decline.
By offloading that big contract, they can keep their Cy Young winner, and get a better corner outfielder than Andy Dirks. Personally, I'd go after Ellsbury and stick him in left field and have him bat leadoff. Probably wishful thinking, but it's something I'd look into.
The Greatest base runner.
<inserts gif of Fielder doing a belly flop and getting tagged out>
Would you rather spend more money and have:
- 1B: Fielder
- 2B: Whatever rotting corpse you can find
- SS: Iglecias
- 3B: Cabrera
Or spend less money and have:
- 1B: Cabrera
- 2B: Kinsler
- SS: Iglecias
- 3B: Castellanos / resign Jhonny / Whomever
We need to figure a way to work out both have this avatar.
Meet me in the alley for a dangerous game of rock/paper/scissors.
No, it should be which one of you can eat the most elk penis in a light cream testicle sauce topped with diced pig bladder.
I respect the effort, but...
Oh, come on, you chose that avatar and don't know about the Fear Factor skit (skip to 4:10 for the relevant part - NSFW)?
I guess we know who should change their avatar now...
" I don't know if you know this Joe Rogan, but I smoke rocks"
Geez gotta be fast around these parts, was just going to post it, too slow by 3 minutes.
I say thank you rangers. It will be interesting to see how much salary Detroit has to eat. Kinsler makes 13M. We need playoff performers and this moves Cabrera back to first I think (or V Martinez can go there) which helps in NL parks as we can play a normal catche.
THis would be HUGE for the Tigers. Fielders numbers have been declining each year, we could resign Scherzer, move Cabby to first base, and play Castellanos at his natural position at third. Would improve our defense dramatically.
Defense was never really the issue though. It gets blown way out of proportion because people always assumed it would be bad with Cabby and Prince in the same infield but Cabrera was actually very good at third until he got injured. Plus, with the amount of strikeouts our rotation gets the defense doesn't have to be stellar anyway. The issue is the streaky offense, and the fact that they frustratingly always seem to go cold as a team rather than one at a time. This will improve the defense, but not dramatically. The biggest thing we gain from this is resigning Scherzer.
Cabby was a below average defensive Third baseman and Fielder is a below average defensive First baseman.
I think you're overestimating the "quality" of the Tigers' defense with Prince and Miggy at the corners. That Miggy was better than expected does not mean he was good. His range was quite limited. And Prince's was worse. The Tigers had one of the most porous infields in baseball. Now that issue is largely rectified. And defense matters a lot. With our starting pitching, plus a greatly improved infield, opposing teams are gonna have a hell of a time scoring.
That lazy ass effort he made in the ninth inning of Game 2 for Iglesias' low throw was enough for me. He looked disinterested. He did go through a divorce, so I'm sure that had an effect, but I mean he started out the season fine. Then he just because pretty average, definitely not worth the money he's making.
OBP and Slug %, but you're correct maybe I exaggerated a bit.
That's great news. Should be able to keep Scherzer now. Does this mean we might be able to re-sign Fister too?
I did not see this coming. Not sure how I feel about it. I think Fielder just had a down year and will be back. If it turns out he never regains his Brewer form though this will go down as one of the best Tiger moves I can remember.
There is no downside ... the deal is egregious. Only a guy like Cabrera should get the contract Fielder got. Ilitch negotiated against himself, there is probably $6M a year extra every year in that contract versus what Fielder would have received in the open market.
His playoff numbers have never been great.
Love the MLive trolls who deride 'Dumbrowski'. Yes mr. I opened up his check book but he's made some very shrewd moves.
Yep. Tigers are like Red Wings of yesteryear...all that matters is playoff performance at this point. I could care less if Fielder hits 50HR and has 150 RBIs in regular season - he does not perform in the playoffs.
Prince should do better in that park since he's good for a long ball or an out.
But I'm sad. I like Prince.
I've got his Bobblehead. But it was free....so....
Definitely a better ballpark for the long ball, but that guy is going to melt in the mid-July Texas heat. As a big man who lived in Dallas, I speak from experience.
He's gonna hate July and August down here. It's brutal even for a scrawny dude like me with barely any fat, I can't imagine what it's like being his size and playing in that heat. Although, he'll fit right in with the mass amounts of fatties populating this state.
So happy the Tigers made this move. Move Miggy back over to 1st. Should be solid defensively now.
LOL. Noone is saying Kinsler is a better player. Fielder has $168M owed over next 7 years. Kinsler is signed through 2017 with a front loaded contract it appears so he will begin to drop fromthe $13M go forward from here. (total was 5yr $75M with an option for 6th)
It all can down to money, so we can sign Max and Miggy to extensions and pursue some other free agents. Move Kinsler to third and bring the young kid up to play 2B.
I hope this means that Texas is just making room for Profar and not clearing 2B for Cano.
Profar is too talented not to be on the roster and bench. Dude is legit good. Texas has Andrus locked up for years to come at SS which locks out Profar if they still have Kinsler.
What does this do to Infante? He was one of our strongest pieces and a key guy to have towards the bottom of the order because he never strikes out. I was really happy when we reacquired him.
Also Fielder offered some vital protection for Miggy in the lineup. VMart can provide that but the middle of the order looks a lot less scary now.
I won't mind if that's the case. That mean defense should be good except at 1B where Miggy is average at best.
With guys like Peralta asking for $15M per year I think Infante was priced out of Detroit. The talk was Perez was going to be the 2nd basemen. This fixes 2 issues with 1 stone... I like it.
Anyone who's against this trade hasn't been watching the Tigers for the past two post-seasons, during which Fielder was positively dreadful. And not just hitting-wise. His whole attitude sucked. Not to mention his base-running and mediocre fielding. Guys with his weight issues, and his attitude issues, rarely get better with age. He peaked a while ago. Detroit was stuck with the ultimate contractual albatross -- until the Rangers inexplicable bailed them out. Thank god. Detroit just improved markedly, in both short-term and long-term ways.
And now the team has (in addition to a fine second-baseman) a ton of extra cash to spend on players who actually perform.
Holy shit. Honestly short term this seems a bit odd consider Kinsler's injury history but getting out from under that contract is just a massive plus for the Tigers. Any news if there are more pieces involved, or is this literally just straight up with no cash switching hands?
Woo! As neat as it was to have another Fielder in Detroit, he was not worth even close to what they were paying him. And considering how awful he has been in the playoffs, I think this is a good move.
So who plays 3rd is the question now? Castellanos likely can't move back and there's nobody waiting in the minors, so....?
Castellanos might very well move back to 3B. But what's the backup plan if they go that route, and find him hitting .166 on Memorial Day 2014?
I think Castellanos could go back, he was playing there up until only a year ago, and now he'll have a whole offseason to practice again. Then there's still a hole at LF, but I think that's a bit easier to solve. Other alternatives: free agents (Peralta and Infante could both play 3B or SS, and put Iglesias at third), I can't think of any others off the top of my head. Other crazy ideas that probably won't happen: Don Kelly, starter (especially with Leyland gone), keep Cabrera there and find a first baseman/DH.
No way would they put Iglesias anywhere but SS. The guy has been repeatedly compared to Omar Vizquel, who coincidentally just joined the Tigers coaching staff (which I am just as excited about as this Fielder move). He probably has at least as much range as anyone in the league. I like the idea of Peralta at 3rd if he can make the switch successfully. Unfortunately they'd have to sign him before they could find out...
Awesome news for Iglesias' development. As disappointing an end to that season was this offseason is starting off , dare i say, wonderfully.
Put our most athletic, smooth handed infielder at third?? No thank you. Iglesias stays up the middle
Rangers will pay Kinsler $13M in '13, $16M in 2014 and 2015, $14M in 2016 and $11M in 2017. Option for 2018 is $10M with a $5M buyout.
Considering Infante will probably seek $12-$13M per year, its a bit of extra cost for 2 years fora 2nd basemen....but we gain a leadoff hitter and can move Ajax down to 7th. Or Ajax goes to 2nd and moves Hunter down to 5th (Martinez takes Fielders spot at #4)
It will be interesting to see how Prince does in Texas without a star to pair him with. Nelson Cruz is a good hitter at times, but he isn't Miggy or the roided-up Braun. I'm not sure Prince is reliable as your top hitter, he doesn't seem to be able to carry a lineup. I think it's a good move for Detroit, especially when you consider the $8M you save this year alone.
Still waiting for the final details/ throw ins. Looks like the Tigers solved many issues with this move as did Texas. Dombrowski is looking smarter each year.
Best news I've heard today. Fielder was clearly using roids in Milwaukee. You don't go from hitting 45 homers a year to 22 as soon as you're done playing with mr. steroid. Plus the guys about as clutch as Drew Stanton.
Come on, let's not start throwing around accusations like that. His home run totals in Milwaukee were 50, 34, 46, 32, and 38. That's an average of 40 per year. His first year in Detroit, he hit 30 and this year he hit 25 (average of 27.5). It's just as likely, if not more so, that he went from a hitter's park to a pitcher's park, and an easier league to a tougher league. His numbers are similar to what happened to Pujols. I'd say Pujols is much more likely to have used roids given his physique as compared to Prince's, his giant head and bacne problems. Prince was going through a messy divorce this year, which can really mess with your head. Pujols has missed a bunch of games lately, also a telltale sign of roids, meanwhile, Prince has missed 1 game in the past 5 years. Prince was my first round draft pick in my fantasy league, and he dissappointed me with his performance, but I've never once thought of him as a steroid user.
Better weather, no crazy winds blowing in. You're right, plent of other reasons besides 'roids for the drop in power numbers.
Soooo, why are you doing it for Pujols? Am I missing something?
And also, Milwaukee has an outdoor stadium I believe.
you mean fatten up by hitting the buffet? then yes he used roids.
The rangers got fleeced
Seemed like Prince and Miggy were pretty tight. Hope losing one doesn't hurt the other.
Do you follow baseball? Dombrowski is the king of fleecing people, nearly everything he's done for the Tigers trade wise has been exceptional. I can only think of the Renteria trade as a blow for the tigers, but seriously he traded a machete-wielding maniac for Placido Polanco, who else can say that?
I think I read somewhere that Urbina, don't remember his exact name, was the only player in MLB history with the initials UU.
I know, who cares, but just in case anyone is on a game show in the future and you're asked that question.....you're welcome.
turned Cameron Maybin Andrew Miller Mike Rabelo and a wheel barrel full of manure into Miguel Cabrera (and Willis)... moving Edwin Jackson and Granderson and getting Ajax and Scherzer... so who's getting fleeced?
Iglesias, Sanchez, fister, scherzer,miggy are all no's. So?
jacque jones jarrod washburn aubrey huff edgar renteria (just to answer) but I actually agree dd has been great
Good call on the Jacque Jones-Omar Infante deal, that totally slipped my mind. I'm not the Jarrod Wasburn and Aubrey Huff trades can be considering anything other than a wash, the players we traded turned out to be flops as well so no harm no foul there.
Yeah, it's important to distinguish between fleecings and acquisitions that just didn't work out. Not gonna win them all.
Wow....I don't know whether my jaw dropped farther when they signed Prince, or now.
This is pretty clearly about finding the money to keep Max Scherzer. That the infield defense will improve and there's now room for Castellanos are side benefits. Probably not really about second base as Kinsler isn't a huge upgrade over Infante.
Also, as fans I think we're contractually obligated to offer lineup suggestions to the manager, so a good nominal lineup I think would be:
There might be temptation to want to bat Castellanos higher but I think that's a good starting point for him as a rookie. You could argue for Kinsler at leadoff but they're very close in terms of OBP, Jackson has more speed, and if Jackson's going to strike out like he's been doing lately I'd rather it not be when guys are ostensibly on base (like they should be for the 5th hitter.)
With Dirks in the lineup. Pony up and pay an outfielder.
Somehow I doubt Andy Dirks is the one thing standing between us and a championship.
Is not a leadoff hitter. Kinsley should be there, move jackson down.
I've always been a fan of Kinsler ever since he hit for the cycle back when he was a noob. Pretty happy Tiger fan right here.
Take your hat... Your bat ... And your fat... To Texas...
Completely agree ... I would die happy if I never have to see that waste of space hit a first pitch hopper to the second baseman. Every damn time up he did that. What a waste of talent. Maybe Texas can put him on a fitness plan and give him a new hitting coach / therapist to work out the bat swinging demons.
Leading both league in meals... Cheeseburger is a close second...
Unfortunately, when these power hitters change their diet... Their product changes too, historically. Our old hitting coach use to say, " when he's fat... Keep'em fat."
Q: Who bats after Prince Fielder?
A: The other team.
U r correct!
Not clear that Miggy will move back to 1st. Kinsler has never been considered a strong defensive second baseman--and with his injury history and age (declining steals--only 15 last year)--he may end up at first base. In fact, the Rangers serious discussed moving him there last year. While certainly not a gazelle over at 3rd, Miggy isn't really a better first baseman, defensively. Leaving Miggy at 3rd gives the Tigers more flexibility--VMart can play there some. Also, there are almost always decent hitting, fielding challenged first basemen hanging around to supplement a roster. If they move Miggy to 1st, the Tigers might consider bringing Peralta back at 3rd.
I think its a good move. It frees up money--presumably for Scherzer--and Fielder has played hard but not well enough to justify his contract. I expect he will do better in Arlington. Good luck to him.
Or resign Infante and move him to third. Plus Nick Castellanos, the monster prospect, sits out there ready to play his natural position.
Castellanos is not a natural 3rd baseman.
He didn't play 3B until he was drafted, and that's because he obviously wasn't gonna stay at SS where he played in HS.
He projects poorly defensively at 3B.
Another problem with Kinsler to 1st: He's never played there in the majors. He's played a total of 2 innings at 3B in his MLB career, and the rest of the time he's been in the field, he's been at 2B.
Also the bigger reason the Rangers talked about Kinsler going to 1st is that they think they've got Profar ready to go.
And has been a solid to good 2B every year except 2012, IIRC. The thing that concerns me is the decline of his bat; I think Fielder is more likely to bounce back next year even before considering the park switch.
I don't particularly care about the dollar savings, as I believe that the Tigers have a 2-3 year window before injuries and age take their toll. I particularly don't want to use the savings to pay Scherzer - he's earned it but I can't think of a single big-dollar pitcher contract that wasn't a disaster. In my ideal world they'd add two years to Scherzers deal (but the only way he'd take that is if it was $50M), sign an OF (Shin-Soo Choo by preference, and bat him high up), and ride the core of the team until 2016 when everybody expires.
On the other hand, it's not my money and it might as well go to players as opposed to sitting in ownership's pockets.
My feeling is that I can see why they made it, and getting out from under Fielder's contract is a good deal, but I think they'll be slightly worse in 2014 now, and that's not worth trading money for when you're trying to win championships.
This came outta no where. I don't think Fielder endeared himself to fans with his post playoff comments about his struggles being no big deal, I got kids to take care of.
I hope Kinsler can hit. The Tigers need to replace Princes RBI production. I guess this means Infante is out. That sucks, I really liked his game
I don't watch Sports Center as much as I used too. I guess I missed Dombrowski telling the media that Fielder was on the trading block.
Tigers paying 30 mill. Anyone know if that is good or bad?
Well they were going to pay $165M to Fielder over next 7 years. Now they pay $30M so saved $135M over 7 years.
Or thereabouts. The Tigers freed up ~$80M or so over six years.
The tigers get in on cano now? Stranger things have happened. Miggy, cano, Iglesias. Kindler on the infield sounds good to me
I fucking hope not
My money. If me illitch wants to pay $200m for an extra 2% chance at a title I'm good with it
All the Tigers need is another arrogant, WAY over-paid player of superstar status to win a Series? I think the problem lies in the bullpen and managerial decisions in regards to moving runners and pulling starters. Giving Cano the type of money he's looking for wouldn't solve much, and would be a Fielder type situation all over again.
Your highest paid players with only few exceptions must set the standards for excellence and desire. Fielder did neither. His final comments about easily getting over the series loss had to be an insult to the entire organization.
Good luck to him withstanding the Texas heat.
He's worse defensively than Cabrera, they'd just keep Cabrera there.
What is the deal with Castellanos? I've heard some people say he's an Iglesias type defensive guy, and others say he's purely a bat and utility guy. Which is he?
He's been labeled "average" defensively by most scouts, and analysts. Take that with a grain of salt obviously, but anyone comparing him to an Iglesias level defender at 3rd has no idea what they're talking about.
Nobody who has ever seen Castellanos at 3B would consider comparing him to Iglesias defensively.
Here's a quote from an insider on another baord I post on in regards to Castellanos:
"Castellanos was considered a below-average defender at third base prior to his move to the outfield. There were a host of scouts, including myself, who questioned his long term potential at third base and projected him as a fringy defender there, at best. In all honesty, he would have been lucky to develop Miguel Cabrera's present ability at third base; and without the offensive potential of Cabrera, I'm not sure that's sufficient. To date, in all my conversations, I've not heard any discussion of Castellanos moving back to third base, or even the potential for considering such a move. He's an outfielder and barring a drastic shift in organizational philosophy with respect to Castellanos' development, he's going to remain an outfielder long term."
He projects to be below average at best defensively, with the liklihood being greater that his defense is too bad at the position for his offense to outweigh it.
His move to the OF demonstrates that. You simply don't move players down the defensive spectrum in the minor leagues if you think they are capable of playing that position in the MLs.
Sorry, that was a very unclear comparison. What I meant was that I've heard him as more of a defensive specialist without great hitting like Iglesias, not that he's a golden glover.
That scouting report, though, doesn't make him sound that great. Why is he such a hot commodity if he's so below average in the field and nothing special with a bat?
Nothing special with the bat? Who's feeding you these misguided reports? He literally is only known for his bat, he's progressed through the farm system quickly because he's raked at every level while also raising his BB rate and lowering is K%. His "hit" tool is said to be 60-70 on the point system which is a plus rating.
Ideally he'll come up and hit right away next year, but more likely he'll take some time to adjust to Major League pitching, that said he's a top 15 overall prospect for a reason, let's hope we see it.
Castellanos value is tied to his bat. Not sure who you're talking to, but they clearly are clueless. Castellanos was rated so highly at the draft because of his bat, he's valued as a top prospect because of his bat. He projects well as a hitter, unfortunately his defense projects poorly.
His average is poor, but the Tigers will need a little more power now that Fielder is gone. Plus, he can take that third outfield spot.
Granderson appears to be in decline. His average, SLG, and OBP have all declined the past three seasons:
Yes, but he's been injured. If Granderson can be had for less than $10M/year, then I say go for it.
Making room for some future moves. Hopefully a closer. Better pay max, he has one year left. If he has another year like last it will take a lot of money to keep him.
The tiger are loading with 1st base. Cabrera and Martinez can both play 1st. I hope they don't go after cano!
This will free up $100 million. Now this allows Cabrera to move back to first, sign both him and Max Scherzer (excuse the spelling) to deals. Bring Castelleanos up and put him at third base. Now they can get Carlos Beltran or another power hitter to protect Cabrera. All this does is free up money to make the Tigers better, faster and keep the real good players in place.
Getting rid of his contract was smart. Now they can hopefully reach a new deal with Scherzer
bullpen...bullpen...and more bullpen with this extra money.
the best GM in detroit by a mile. Unlike Kenny Holland, he has guts and he is willing to rectify past mistakes and unlike Joe Dumars he is not an idiot. Mayhew doesn't even belong in the discussion until the Lions prove 2011 wasn't a fluke.
This is one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. Holland's track record speaks for itself, and considering the crater of a team Matt Millen left in Detroit, I think Mayhew has done a pretty good job. I like Dombrowski a lot and I think this trade makes sense for all parties involved, but Ilitch's wallet makes Dombrowski's job a lot easier.
The same could be said for Holland since Illitch owns the Red Wings as well and he has been spending big since the early-90s.
I would give the nod to Dombrowski because he took over a dumpster fire of a franchise and rebuilt the minor leagues and the major league club. Holland took over a Cup winner and established the success over the years. Dombrowski helped change the culture while Holland maintained the status quo, thanks in large part to Illitch's money.
Holland now is limited by the salary cap, not an unlimited pizza wallet.
Considering the players they've drafted and brought up (and not traded) Holland's doing a great job.
Z and PD were both late round draft picks. And, though we grab big name guys, they come in the end of the career style where we are just hoping to get 20G / 20A. Guys like Hull, Robitaille(sp), Chelios, etc.
like he had nothing to do with it—he helped build that 1997 team.
"After his playing career was over, Holland took a job with the Red Wings as a scout in Western Canada. He subsequently served seven years as Director of Amateur Scouting and three as Assistant General Manager. On July 18, 1997, he was promoted to his current position of General Manager..."
Name one good trade or free agency acquisition he has made since Hossa? Now that the cap has evened the playing field Holland has flailed about and wasted the last years of Lidstrom Datsuyk and Zetterbergs careers. The strength of the Wings organization has always been in amateur scouting and drafting. Things are only going to get worse now that a lot of the true talent in the front office has moved on.
like to know how much Fielder's post-playoff comments played into this. When I read them I was furious and I'm not in the organization.
We'll probably never know until Dombrowski writes a book.
had to be a slap in the face to Ilitch. He's trying to win a title before he leaves this earth and Fielder, his highest paid player, acts like he doesn't give a f*** after playing like Don Kelly all playoffs.
Personally I wanted the Tigers to ship Fielder out of town, but I didn't think it was possible. I don't know that this is a great deal, but I'll take it to be rid of that albatross of a contract.
I hope Texas doesn't come to its senses and reneg on the deal...that ridiculous contract Fielder got with the Tigers was going to be a financial anchor on the franchise, and getting rid of it—and Fielder—is a benefit in all kinds of ways.
In terms of what he produced—especially in clutch situations—relative to his salary, it's one of the worst contracts I've ever seen.
Main reason Detroit signed him was due to V. Martinez's injury, so with V. Mart back makes sense that they deal him. The real question is what moves come with this as this seems to me like the first step in a specific plan to make changes for 2014.
Christmas in November!
...but with his difficult 2013 (divorce & playoff blunders) if he had anything less than an awesome 2014 (with some timely big hits) then the situation might have become toxic.
I don't think the post-game comments by themselves sunk Prince (anybody can be prone to sying weird shit at times like that) but there are rumours that some teammates & team officials were annoyed with his approach. In some respects, he was in a tough bind in Detroit. Some people think he didn't care but keep in mind that he was a young child who grew up with the Tigers and was personally signed by owner Illitch so it's likely that Prince cared about winning deeply. But how people deal with that kind of stress can be a funny thing. Some might burn with heart-on-their-sleeve passion...but that doesn't always work either. Prince tried to play it cool. Unfortunately, at the end of the day, it just didn't work out.
I suspect that Prince is probably quite happy for the new location and fresh start. With that ballpark in Texas he might put up some monster power numbers too.
Texas was on his no trade clause list which he had to waive and with how fast and unsuspected all this was, he didn't take long to mill it over.
It's an instant raise for Prince. Texas has no state income tax.
Among the other comments that already make sense; Texas eating contract, freeing up money to re-sign Max and hopefully Joe Nathan (please!!!), we can also go after a LF, move Cabby to 1B and save his body for an extra 3-4 years, bring up Nick C. to third, get speed at second (I think Kinsler has had two 30-30 years)...Prince is going through a divorce right now, had gained weight, and had 0 HR/RBI's in the postseason. I liked the guy, but that move makes too much sense for Dombrowski to not pull the trigger. Well done DD!!
The media and fans in Texas love it. Kinsler is declining, always injured, Fielder will hit better in their ballpark, allows them to bring up guys, puts them back into the playoffs, etc, etc.
So can a trade work out for both teams? Is someone kididng themselves? Or are both going to be disappointed?
To say Kinsler is declining or "ALWAYS" injured are both gross overstatements. He's played in 92% of a possible 486 games over the past 3 seasons, take away scheduled days off and that's only a handful of games missed due to injury. He was just an All-Star in 2012 and should have been last year, must have been banged up at the time (not seriously), because his numbers were on par with Kipnis and better than Zobrist. He hit .277 which is the 3rd best of his 8 year career (.286 in 120 game Rookie year, .319 in 121 game 3rd year). His 72 RBI were on par with his 2011 and 2012 seasons in 20 fewer games. The 85 Runs were a dip, but that will happen when you lose Josh Hamilton and then Nelson Cruz for a good portion of the season. He's also a great defensive 2B. I think he'll be less likely to get injured in Detroit because he won't need to be as aggressive on the base paths, unless Ausmus is the polar opposite of Leyland. Prince had the terrible contract, made us worse defensively AND wound up making us worse offensively. Kinsler can match his .279 avg and 25 HRs easily.
Fielder is due $168M over the next seven years, and Kinsler $62M over the next five. With the Tigers sending $30M cash, they are freeing up $76M over the next seven years. The $30M is payable at the back end, but that's still where most of the savings are. Right now they are saving maybe $8M a year for the first several years.
I'm sure we're not done, but we are signifigantly weaker at this point. Peralta and Fielder are big losses and Kinsler is about equal to Infante. The financial windfall and our position are overrated right now. As it stands, we have two bats to replace and don't give me the crap about defense making up for it.