as brian likes to say, and as applies to red mccombs, some people are just in charge of things because they're in charge of them.
OT - Powerful Texas booster derides Charlie Strong hire
I guess having your name on the business school allows you to act like you own the place. I think Ross stays out of the hair of the program, but I don't really know. McCombs should stick with car sales, he's good at it.
This is an important reminder of the unifying quality Brady Hoke brought to our program.
I attend the McCombs School of Business now and am having lunch w/ Red McCombs in a couple months. On the campus, there is only a mild racial undertone. The principal issue is that UT became the leading revenue-generating program in the country by building a clean-cut program w/ uber supportive donors. Strong's checkered past w/ the media and boosters scares a TON of people.
By stating that Charlie Strong "...would make a great position coach, maybe a coordinator..." Red McCombs is directly implying that Strong isn't qualified to be UT's head coach.
That's an interesting position for McCombs to take, given his history.
He purchased the Vikings in 1998 and sold them before the 2005 season. As others here have noted, McCombs inherited Dennis Green as the Vikings' head coach, and Green led the Vikings to 15-1, 10-6, and 11-5 records in the first three seasons under McCombs' ownership. If Gary Anderson hadn't biffed a FG against the Falcons in the '98 NFC championship game, the Vikings would have gone to the Super Bowl that year.
In 2001, however, the Vikings fell to a 5-10 record and Green was fired after the end of the season, in spite of the fact that Green was by far the most successful Vikings HC since Bud Grant, with a winning percentage of .610 (a record Lions fans can only dream about).
So who did Red McCombs hire to replace Green for the final three seasons of his Vikings ownership?
None other than Mike Tice, who prior to being named interim coach after Green's firing had never been anything more than a position coach.
I am a big college football fan, but far from an insider or knowledgable football IQ guy. Having said that, I have always liked Charlie Strong very much - what little I do know about him says to me that he is an excellent hire not just for them, but for any program.
Weird that they would say this, but realistically who would they be happy with? Anyone less than Saban or Lombardi would probably be viewed as a step down in their eyes.
Best of luck Charlie.
They thought because they are Texas, they would get Saban as head coach and then resurrect Lombardi as DC and Bill Walsh as OC. So, to have to settle for Charlie Strong after expecting THAT is quite a comedown.
the problem is Strong is black
Mccombs said that coach strong would be a qualified position coach, maybe a coordinator at a school like Texas. That's like coach speak for people that don't like others because of their skin.
Not going to profess to have followed this closely but my dad lives in Austin and he loves the hire but says the main source of opposition is that Strong is black.
Will be interesting to see how any factions develop early on.
I think Strong will bring Texas back sooner then later and that usually quiets everyone.
It's always best for the program when you try to fuck over the new guy before he walks in the door.
Also, exponentially worse? Like are there going to be explosions?
There might be metaphoric explosions.
I said exponentailly worse because at least no one at Michigan was trying to claim that Rodriguez was nothing more than a positional coach.
I'm exponentially disappointed with your explanaiton for why you used the word exponentially.
Oh, like exactly how Coach Rodriguez was treated at Michigan? Except Mack Brown isn't encouraging players to transfer to preserve his "legacy".
Well, this is getting off to a fantastic start.
As in certain situations with which we have some uncomfortable familiarity, what ultimately matters is what happens on the field. Win and Red shuts up; lose and things go sour in a hurry anyway.
And while Red sounds pretty insulting here, I suspect his venom at this point is not actually intended for Strong, but for the people at the top who hired him. Red is probably just upset about the process somehow and is venting frustration.
It certainly sounds like Red thinks he knows more about football than the people in charge and he's pissed that he wasn't consulted.
Red would be a perfect fit around here most of the time.
Red has owned three professional sports franchises including the Minnesota Vikings.
he also no longer owns any of them
and he's an 86 year old Texan so his opinions on things are probably not, well, very PC
Doesn't mean he really knows anything about how teams really operate. Plenty of team owners hurt their teams/drive them into the ground, etc. Or maybe that was your point.
He believes he owns the University of Texas.
He doesn't. Just the business school.
I do enjoy these seeing these jerks, who think they have power above and beyond the immense power they already do have, expose themselves as the ginormous* arrogant pricks that they are. It's entertaining on one hand, but it's really too bad for the fans and the team that someone who supports the team can't act more mature and direct his anger towards the people he is pissed at. Putting this out in the public, will not help the team he "supports". And true to his apparent nature, his feelings come before what is best for the team. Him doing this has a great chance of sabotaging the team, and then he can say "I told you so". And be happy when Charlie Strong fails, just so he can be right.
*this word is what my kids say for something Big...really, really Big.
prick. That made me laugh MGoBrewMom!
Not everyone wants a ginormous prick!
Being a Vikes fan, I strongly object to any pairing of the word 'professional' with 'Minnesota Vikings'. Unless you meant it in the way the Three Stooges were professional.
I had the ability to give you more up votes, I would. That was funny.
Red certainly has overstepped his bounds here that's for sure. I mean who in the fuck is he to give advice on the HC hire? Does he think he's the Ambassador to Liechtenstein or something?
hiding beneath one.
I'd have to think that one donating in excess of $100 million dollars to the university gives him more right to speak than your average "donor".
give him a better opportunity to speak his mind, he sure as hell has no more right than any other alum.
See, I disagree with that.
IMHO--particularly at a public institution
Acting like a spoiled 85 year old brat is another. He should not be airing his arrogant, mean spirited comments in public. It hurts his institution.
committee. They must have left him off.
Agree with you. Seems he is mostly pissed that he wasn't asked to give his blessing. But, as he seemed to think that every football coach in america should be begging for the job, maybe the rest of the Texas higher ups thought he was too delusional to be involved.
What is it going to take for people to STFU about Jon Gruden? Jesus, the guy hasn't been a head coach in over five years and hasn't shown one inkling of going back into the NFL, let alone college.
Yeah, I don't get it. And it's not like he was that great of a coach. He was fine, certainly above average. But people act like he was Belichick or Parcells.
Why is Gruden mentioned for every opening while Brian Billick never gets mentioned. They're practically the same guy.
because Gruden has turned himself into the Tebow of coaches. Guy puts himself in front of every camera possible, grills a couple college QBs before the draft and bam; demigod status achieved.
Maybe I'm just too young to know, but did John Madden get connected to every job opening after he retired ? Obviously media wasn't as all-encompassing back then as it is now, so he couldn't be quite as visible, but Madden was a young, super bowl champion coach who was on tv and extremely popular.
nothing mattered to anyone before the media machine takeover.
Can he concentrate on coaching rather than dealing with boosters and their unrealistic demands? I wonder how much time he is given to bring back UT. I say if does not make the playoff by his 3rd year, he is gone.
You think I'm making that up, but read the article. He really did...In fairness, he also seems to have disliked the process, but I'm not sympathetic since in my view they did very well for themselves.
This is what happens when an MLive poster (or the Texas equivalent) happens to have given $100,000,000 to a school.
The black rich rod
That's more inane today than on yesterday's Charlie Strong thread where you made the exact same comment (http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/texas-coach-charlie-strong-presented-without-comment)
Sorry, yes It looks to be quite seriously indeed.
Oh look you can copy and paste a link. Must be rough being so easily offended. I think the comparison is valid, and I'll be damned if someone thinks calling a person "the black ____" or "the white ____" or "the purple ____" is fucking racist.
I keed, I keed - Kanye's music and Eminem's music are fairly different animals, of course, with their own virtues and vices. And they have so many other differences that the fact they are of different races seems a tertiary difference at best. Kanye loves fashion, Eminem seems indifferent to style. Kanye's parents were well-educated and politically involved, while Eminem's ... weren't. Kanye comes from a middle class background, while Eminem famously comes from lesser means. And on and on.
As far as the kerfuffle about the "black RichRod" from yesterday and today, I get the sensitivity to some extent. It may not have been necessary to reference race (since Strong's race has not to my knowledge come into play in his newfound role), but it does not seem to be as egregious as some are making it out to be. You can argue it either way. What I don't get is why it's such an emotional issue here. It's not exactly like Yeezus is race-baiting here. He may have unnecessarily referenced Strong's race, but it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
The bigger point is that RichRod's situation and Strong's have some fairly strong similarities at first blush. They are both facing some institutional hurdles that are uncommon even in big-time college football. I suspect (without much evidence) that the good-old-boy network at UT-Austin is a deep one. What I hope is that Strong gets better advice on how to deal with that network than what RichRod apparently got.
after he married KK. That girl has been rode hard and put away wet. WTF????
The lyrical content suggests Kanye may not be 100% happy with that situation either.
As to Vinci Caeruleatum's point, you can argue that Strong's race is not relevant to the discussion. I get that. But I also think (and this may be where Yeezus is coming from) that none of us will be surprised if Strong's race has an effect on his head coaching role - and the effect could be both positive and negative depending on the situation under the microscope.
Ironically, I just ran across this nugget while researching another post. It's from Dennis Franklin, "Michigan's first 'black' quarterback."
"Every time I'd do an interview, they'd throw that tag on me. It became annoying," Franklin said. "Eventually, it went away. That's all I ever strived for."
of why it's not an overblown concern.
"BITCH YOU AIN'T A HOBBIT, IS YOU?"
I AIN'T HAPPY ABOUT IT EITHER, VERTEC
if you honestly believe that this 87 year old dude from the south's views on this have nothing to do with race then I commend you on your optimisim
RED MCCOMBS DOESNT CARE ABOUT BLACK RICH RODS
Sounds like some sort of staff in an RPG for Super Nintendo.
Pat Forde predicted this was going to happen.
on the other hand, it's one of the few times that pat forde has made a correct prediction.
I like this part:
"He publicly lobbied last week for Texas to hire former NFL coach and ESPN analyst Jon Gruden."
These guys think they can buy their way into the program like the guy from UConn a few years ago.
Every time a big school hires a new coach a booster is always complaining about how his voice wasn't heard.
I really hope Charlie Strong wins a national championship and then calls this guy out after the game and gives him the middle finger.
And how stupid is this comment. Strong was a great coordinator at Florida for many years. There's no way he is maybe just a position coach. He is a head coach, and he will probably have more success than Mack Brown.
Calling him a position coach, MAYBE a coordinator? I mean, could you possibly be more insulting if you tried?
Even if you don't think the guy is the greatest head coach in the country, he's still clearly a HEAD COACH. He's been a Div 1-A head coach for 4 years now and has a 37-15 record. You don't have to think he's the worlds greatest head coach, but to say he's nothing more than a position coach is a joke.
It will be interesting to watch. He has access to loads of talent though I've got to think other Texas schools have made serious inroads and Texas may not be able to get whatever Texas talent they want. Should be interesting to see if they learned from our mistakes.
Mccombs comment reeks of racism. Its stronger than implicit and almost damn explicit racism
A. Don't you think that retort is a little heavy-handed?
B. Considering the history of black leadership in football, I'd bet that almost all black coaches and quarterbacks are rooting especially for Strong to be successful. Except maybe Kevin Sumlin.
Apologies for the wording but not the intent.
B. Good on them. I don't care what race any of UM's players or coaches are. I'll always root for them to be successful because they're my team. In turn, I could not possibly care less how Strong does at Texas. Not because of his race, but because it's Texas. Texas happens to be a team that's Not Michigan, therefore I don't really care how they do.
Attacking me for inferring the meaning of what McCombs said? What McCombs said and the way he said it is what I was commenting on. It is not a leap of logic to come to that conclusion and alot of people agree with my take on it. You need to work on your reading comprehension if you think my post had anything to do with my own opinions or views.
Was to a comment that alleged racism was behind Mccombs comments. Is it too far fetched to think that racism was the driving force behind this? Or are you just saying shut up about Texas? I'm just asking for clarification.
visceral reaction to the emphatic nature of the race accusation. Without getting political I can't delve any deeper. It's annoying how the "racism!!1!!" screamers get a free pass while the "racism" skeptics need to defend their stance.
I won't be doing it because of the color of his skin, though.
beat UM I might take a small amount of satisfaction in him proving a jackass booster's baseless comments wrong. See my earlier post to see why I couldn't care less if he does or not though.
However, in this case, I thought the same thing when I read what old Red said.
It justs seemed regular implicit to me though.
Because some old guy who donated more $$ to a school than you or I will most likely ever see in our lives thought Gruden, Harbaugh or Saban were just a blank check away from coming? Strong was a good Big East/AAC coach and could be a great Big 12 coach but the fact is he's not in the same league as some names this old guy apparently thought Texas could get. The fact that his race is coming into says more about the people bringing it up than an old man who didn't imply any goddamm such thing.
I am rarely the type of person who thinks those things (involving implied racism that is)...I think it was more the "coordinator" comment, but it just sounded that way to me...maybe it had nothing to do with race...just seemed that way to me.
Agree with you. His comment reads very similar to someone telling women to go to the other room because men are talking. To say an accomplished head coach at a division 1 school would make a good position coach or maybe a coordinator is completely different than saying we could have and should have attracted a more accomplished/experienced coach
So if someone said the exact same thing about Hoke... a "good" HC at a lower-tier school, great position coach who got a Tier-1 HC job... it'd be construed as... what?
BCS bowl win as Head coach...DC for an SEC National Championship caliber team
Has been more than a good coach, or he wouldn't be in the position he's in. He also was a coordinator for a National Championship Winning team. Racism is coming up because Mccombs comments really of it. That fact that you don't see that implies (at least to me) that you have your blinders on and don't want to believe that these things exist anymore.
Even if you don't think the guy is the greatest head coach in the country, he's still clearly a HEAD COACH.
In fairness, I don't think he's saying Strong isn't qualified to be a head coach anywhere. He doesn't think he's qualified to be the head coach at Texas, which McCombs says "should be one of the three most powerful university programs in the world."
I think the issue is more that he has an exaggerated view of how good the UT job is - it's good, but not necessarily so good that any coach will drop what he's doing to go there.
How arrogant would you have to be to think the head coach of Louisville is only good enough to be a f'ing POSITION coach at Texas?
way Strong's wife wears her hair, they are just pikers.
Man, I would be so stoked if I was a Texas fan. Strong seems like an awesome hire, and I can't think of many, if any, better hires they could have made in this situation.
If we imagine a world in which Coach Hoke retired this December to become a Franciscan monk, I would have been thrilled to see Michigan hire Strong.
...I don't think Strong will be the head coach of Texas in 4 years.
Since there already seems to be grumpy infighting I think by 2018 you'll see him get canned or see success and hop to the NFL like BOB did. Just by being the HC at Texas he's on the NFL radar for a head coaching gig there
The guy is an ignorant jackwagon. He is blaming the AD for not hiring Jon Gruden.
Personally I would have suggested Bill Bellichek or the ghost of Vince Lombardi, but McCombs likes Gruden...
ghosts don't make great college coaches. NFL, maybe. but in college you have to know how to text and email recruits.
Strong appears to be a good recruiter- reality is- it helps when you walk into a parents house that you look like part of the family already.
We know Meyer's opinion of Mattison's abilities. Clearly, recruits and their families must be looking past something as shallow as his race. Personally, I think you are insulting Strong's talents and hard work by tying any of his recruiting prowess to his skin color.
I hope strong does extremely well and this asshole can shove his money up his arse.
"I don't see how they can miss," McCombs told the paper. "They can get anyone they want. They can close their eyes and go 'Eeny-meeny-miny-moe' and end up with someone good."
that Texas booster ego is unreal.
that's right, anyone. i mean call up jim mora if you want him. or nick saban. oh wait.
...if you had a freaking statue of yourself inside the UT Stadium!
Schools need these guys to support their $100 million plus athletic departments. And once you take someone's money (and build them a statue), they're going to have opinions -- lots of 'em.
I'm so glad there's nothing like that inside Michigan Stadium...I do appreciate his open love of Satan.
"I don't see how they can miss," McCombs told the paper. "They can get anyone they want. They can close their eyes and go 'Eeny-meeny-miny-moe' and end up with someone good."
I like to think that this is what sort of happened here, ending up with someone good, even if Strong was not their first choice. As others mentioned, he seems more upset with the process than anything else, but I think Texas should have some success with Charlie Strong at the helm - I will be interested to see how the staff comes together.
Any chance this has a race component?
That is why I was afraid this would veer into a political discussion. You have to wonder if a white head coach with 4 years of experience, a 35-16 overall record and coming off of a 12-1 season would be disrespected this incredibly.
Nothing the guy said was outright racist. But the amazing disrespect definitely makes you take pause. He's basically saying that Strong doesn't deserve to be a football head coach, which is obviously not reality.
It would be one thing to say, "This guy's really only had two good years as a head coach and therefore isn't good enough for us." That's a defensible position, albeit one I don't agree with. But to say he's not head coach material is something else, though maybe something just born of laziness.
(somewhat) the same things about Hoke would have made Brian a racist had Hoke been black?
If Hoke had even remotely as successful of a resume as Strong did prior to his hiring, then maybe yes. Hoke had absolutely no such resume to speak of. Not even close. But cool straw man you got there.
says the guy defending one. Well played.
Comparing Strong's record to Hoke's is not such a great comparison.
No other major college team would have hired Hoke at that time (or today, for that matter) -- you can't say that for Strong.
Hoke had never been a coordinator, and had a sub .500 head coaching record when Michigan hired him. That's a bit different.
The crux of this is a bunch of fist biters are borderline concern trolling. They're the ones bringing race into it, not some ancient billionaire who thought Texas could get Saban or Harbaugh or Gruden.
I don't even know what that means!
So pretty much Coach Hoke? I think a lot of us think the same thing of Hoke now but we're not accused of being racist. If McCombs happened to be a woman/Hispanic/Asian/black would this be an issue? Nope. But because he's "an old Southern guy" he has to be racist, right? Not just a guy with an inflated ego who thinks the UT job should be able to grab Saban at will?
yes. and that chance is 99.8%
He did buy an NFL team with a black head coach. It really sounds like he's insulted that his $100M and perceived expertise didn't get him more involved in the process.
Calling an experienced head coach a "position" coach and maybe a coordinator is pretty damning (not to mention one coming off a 1-loss season). That is a lot worse than saying we settled and could've/should've gotten a stronger candidate.
"Great position coach, maybe a coordinator"
Are you serious dude? Dude won 23 games the last 3 seasons, including a BCS bowl.
What an arrogant, stupid man.
Why? Because some idiot white guy still cannot accept that the Civil War ended well over 100 years ago?
as you accuse him of making. Are you related, by chance?
In fairness, Strong's resume is better than Mack Brown's was when Texas hired him back in '97. McCombs is apparently a friend and supporter of Brown. McCombs not only said that Strong wasn't fit to be the coach at UT, but that he "would make a great position coach, maybe a coordinator." Never mind the fact that Strong turned around Louisville and beat an SEC team in a BCS bowl, or that he won two national championships as a defensive coordinator at Florida. Brown didn't have any similar accolades on his resume when he was hired by UT. It's hard not to notice that the main trait distringuishing Strong from Brown is Strong's race.
Actually, Brown was one of the hot names in coaching when Texas hired him. He'd taken a UNC program that was in horrible shape and went 10-2 and 11-1 his last two years there. He just couldn't get over the FSU hump (FSU then was pretty much like Alabama now).
I think both guys were pretty strong candidates when hired.
about Texas so that shouldn't surprise you.
Name another state where the two large football programs have minority head coaches. I'll wait...
If Strong wins 11 or more games the next couple of years, most asshole boosters will shut up. Fewer than 10 wins two years in a row, and there will be a lot more than this booster questioning the hire.
All it takes is winning. If he wins, he's good and that douche booster will fall in love. If he loses, all hell will break loose like it has here since the Rich Rod era and it will probably be worse.
My guess would be that McCombs is moreso pissed off that Texas get Harbaugh or Saban to agree to some otherworldly amount of money, so that Texas would have to go to the booster to get it, and they could buy their way into controlling the program.
Strong better become a good politician in the next 5 years, or it may not matter how much he wins.
Texas has enough money that they don't need to ping any single booster to chip in on paying the head coach.
Always good to screw them over before the coach gets on campus. Worked wonders for the program and fanbase here.
I wondered how an African-American head coach would fly with the rich boosters in TX. Apparently, McCombs thinks that if you are rich enough, you are exempt from civil rights legislation. I'm surprised he didn't say that Strong "lacks the necessities" to be a head coach.
I hope Strong gets enough support to succeed wildly at UT and relegate McCombs to "rich booster who doesn't run the program anymore" status.
that purchased a Vikings team coached by Denny Green - Green was there for several years after the purchase. I suspect McCombs is guilty of the same crime RR committed - he has an accent.
No, McCombs bought the Vikings in 1998. Green was hired in 1992.
EDIT: You edited before I hit 'Save'. Your original post said that McCombs hired Green. It's true that McCombs kept Green on, but that's not quite the same as hiring Green.
It does seem to be enough to convince you that he is racist, based on nothing other than a picture.
No, but Brown's resume when he was hired isn't any better than Strong's. The fact that McCombs was a huge supporter of Brown but thinks Strong isn't even a great coordinator is eyebrow-raising, at the very least.
Did you even read the interview? What it really looks like is McCombs had his heart set on Jon Gruden and thought he paid enough to have a say in the hire. When they didn't take his choice, McCombs threw a temper tantrum. Why assume it's race when it's clearly a power struggle?
Because his comments aren't limited to his complaints about not being consulted. He's basically saying Strong isn't good enough to be a head coach, which is ridiculous.
Look at some of the things that other rich people say when they're throwing a public hissy fit. It doesn't have to be rational; a lot of it is flat ridiculous. These people are used to getting their way. He's making the point that his choice was the right coach and everyone else was crap compared to his choice.
most "rich" people throwing "hissy fits" are usually savvy enough not to make an implicitly racist comment, e.g. the whole only good enough to be a coordinator discussion.
Tater. WTF does any of this have to do with civil rights legislation? Seriously. WTF?
he is probably just mad that they didn't hold out for what fisher can bring now that he has the clout of being a national champion head coach
is not surprising. It was inevitable.
Texas fans will have zero patience for this guy, he needs to win right away.
The fact that Strong doesn't play well with boosters and the schmoozing I think he'll find himself railroaded out of town the second Saban calls them up and says he is ready.
Whan Texas hired Mack Brown in '97, he was a good-but-not-great ACC coach who had never won a conference championship and had never beaten Florida State. Strong has at least as good a resume as Brown did in '97.
McCombs is 86 years old and probably senile.
probably smells too.
Charlie Strong 4 years at Louisville 37-15
Mack Brown last 4 years at Carolina 34-12
The only difference to me is Charlie did it against decidedly weaker competition and inherited a program on much better footing than Mack Brown did at Carolina.
The only good competition in the ACC when Brown coached at North Carolina was Florida State, whom Brown never beat. His best "win" was a tie against Georgia Tech the year that GT won the national championship. Strong's Louisville team dominated a one-loss Florida team in the Sugar Bowl. And Louisville wasn't in great shape when Strong got there; they hadn't had a winning season in three years.
"McCombs is 86 years old and probably senile."
Ageism. Disgusting and pathetic.
is a little like criticizing [insert coach's name here] for never beating UCLA under Wooden.
I'm looking at the Massey website--there's criticism of their supposed weak schedules in those years and I want to use something that's SOS-adjusted instead of just polls or records--and in the 90s FSU finished the year ranked 4, 3, 2, 1, 3, 3, 2, 2, 3 and 1.
There's never been a run like that ever, anywhere.
I wonder how he felt about me.
I'm pretty sure he personally unfurled your golden parachute.
Boosters can say those sorts of things about Strong now, but he will either (1) succeed in spite of rifts and lack of support or (2) fail and make the job a whole lot less palatable during their next search. Even if that is the booster's honestly held belief, why say that in public and shoot your school in the foot?
Because he's a rich entitled bastard who is pissed that the new Texas AD didn't consult him on the hire?
Personally I think Strong is a GREAT hire for Texas.
to go to the NFL vs. staying in a secure college job: loud-mouthed jerk boosters. Unlike an average jerk fan, in college the coach has to put up with these idiots at money-raising events, personal meetings sometimes, and other functions. In the NFL, they just have to make two people happy: the owner and GM/President.
Some of these Texas boosters must think that every great coach in college or the pro's should be lining up to take their HC job. Now they're learning what Michigan did when your program stops winning at the rate it once did for a few years.
Where did I claim omnipotence? I just said I THINK we are about to see something worse at Texas. How you get me claiming to know the future out of that statement is beyond me.
Michigan didn't have major boosters going to the press claiming Rodriguez wasn't fit to be a coordinator here the week he got to campus. Talk all you want about whatever BS went on while Rodriguez was here, but it apperas that Strong is walking into an openly hostile situation at UT.
This is more about the new AD, Steve Patterson, learning how Texas sports "work" than anything else. Unfortunately, Charlie is in the middle of it. Welcome to the NFL kid.
wont be waiting for Strong when he arrives.
I don't know if Strong was a good hire or not, but it's very disappointing to see someone speak publicly like this. Can't imagine how Strong feels right now.
Checks he gonna cash I'm guessing. Who care what one guy says.
When that guy has donated $100 million to the school, it actually matters a lot what he thinks.
At some point, Texas is going to have to get the two of them together and have a chat.
To the school. Not the football program, not the coaches, to the school. You don't like it start you own college and become the ad.
I think he has also given a lot to the athletic department. He seems to be very similar to Stephen Ross, only more interested in sticking his nose in things.
Well then someone needs to tell him to keep his damn nose out of UT Athletic business. Donating money doesn't give you a say so in hiring coaches
Technically, you are correct, but practically speaking I would imagine donating that much money gives him a say in whatever the fuck he wants to -- assuming there is any prospect that he may donate more.
It's easier to say who cares when you aren't the one being talked about. When I take a new job, I don't want to hear people saying I was a bad hire, and I'm sure Strong doesn't either. Like someone else said, hopefully it motivates him. But I'm sure on some level it stings.
Saban might be there instead of Strong.
Think of him as their Steven Ross. He is a MAJOR donor, has owned an NFL team, and the UT business school is named after him.
He may be a self-inflated windbag and completely wrong on this, but he is not a no one when it comes to UT internal politics.
This was my point earlier, when I heard they made this hire I had a feeling that Strong would not be a big enough name to appease the masses. He is a good coach and I think he should have a big time job, but I didn't see the fit at Texas.
Is there a race component? Absolutely, but I think Texas expected someone major (eg Harbaugh, Saban, Tomlin, Gruden, etc) and the donors wanted more input and that's the greater issue here.
You've made the conclusion there is a race element because...? Right, there is absolutely no evidence at all but since he's an old white guy who doesn't like a younger black man the only logical conclusion is it's a race thing. Good grief...
So sick of this crap, I live here and frankly I encountered WAY more racism in the Midwest than I have here in Texas.
I don't think the race conclusion is obvious, but you can cool your jets because ATM you sound like a reverse racism apologist. And technically that's political, therefore off-limits....
There is no such thing as "reverse racism", racism is racism regardless of the race of the impacted party.
The original argument that there is "absolutely" a racial element is political - I'm pointing out how ridiculous and unsubstantiated that argument is.
I really don't want to get into sociological or psychology debate. My point was that he was not a big enough name and the donors didn't get enough input for their liking. Charlie Strong is a good coach but there are many factors that play into why some people view him as an underwhelming hire or a bad fit for Texas.
I hope Charlie Strong rolls into Austin and proceeds to dismantle the Big 12, just to shut this asshat up!!!
...the stars at night....are big and bright..(clap, clap, clap, clap)!!!
You can't put a face to multiculturalism and inclusiveness, but if you could, I'm pretty sure it'd look like that.
How so? I don't remember any Michigan booster ever saying something like this publicly. And this is probably the tip of the iceberg.
Bill Martin - not some booster but the damn AD's favorite candidate to replace Lloyd Carr? TONY DUNGY, you know, the guy was going to leave Peyton Manning and the Colts, right after winning a super bowl, and come to Michigan!
Wait, are you saying that Martin, after hiring RichRod, told the media he wanted Dungy? I don't remember it happening like that.
about coaches with some fame or notoriety with every big school hire? Seems like school that do their homework and actually sleuth out young talent could score big.
I did a thing on the board a couple of years ago, probably before the 2011 season started when people were complaining about "hirting a MAC coach," comparing three approaches: hiring an established big-name coach, hiring somebody with lower-level coaching experience, promoting an assistant from within. There wasn't really much difference in results among the three; if anything there was a slight edge to hiring the lower-level guy.
Strong probably qualifies as an established big-name coach though, the way I did it (and he should). Lousville was an AQ; they're not hiring out of Miami (O).
Maybe I'll do that again, better, and post a diary sometime. The subject seems to come up a lot.
And I'm sure you're right that doing the DD is the key, regardless of who you wind up hiring. The point was noticing, in the interview and from the recs, that Bo was Bo or that Woody was Woody. But I don't know how to measure that.
Well this is awkward.
Did McCombs make a reference to this hire reminding him of the movie Blazing Saddles? /s
I'm still trying to figure out how Mack Brown and company missed out on Luck, RGIII, and John T. Football.
And Winston who wanted to talk with Brown who didn't have any interest.
And Foles, who is from Austin.
Part of the problem was Mack's penchant for locking down the entire class during their junior year, so he never had room for any late bloomers... but yeah, his real downfall was his inability to get a decent QB after Colt. Which is just insane when you think of all the QB talent from the state of TX.
Instead of all those guys mentioned, he took Gilbert, Ash and Colt's brother.
And that's why his tenure has ended on a sour note.
Charlie Strong better get used to it. The high profile alumni and boosters make the decisions. This is how the program has always been run.
You can't ignore them; that's why Mack Brown benched the Big-12 offensive player of the year in favor of Chris Simms. He did was he was told.
for the job but short of hiring Saban. Gruden or Dunghy any new Texas coach would have had his detractors. Hoke had his fair share.
Patterson screwed up here. It probably had a lot to do with being new and getting to know the Texas culture. When a guy donates that kind of money you at least make him feel involved, if he wants to be.
The notion you just tell a guy like that to GTFO if he doesn't like it is ridiculous. It would be damaging to the university.
only one who read the "he would make a good position coach" as a cleaned-up version of "know your place, boy."?
I don't think this has as much to do with race (because, honestly, that would be so cliche and I'd like to think that a major booster to the biggest university in the country wouldn't have gotten to major positions of power while being a virulent racist - I know, naive).
It does, though, have lots to do with a booster who wasn't consulted, or feels that he should have been consulted more, and coming across as a jilted boyfriend/girlfriend. He probably had his guy in mind, and that wasn't Strong, so now he's throwing a hissy fit because he doesn't like seeing his "power" ignored and maybe he's feeling like he lost this particular pissing contest.