OT Possible NCAA rule reinstatement

Submitted by GoWings2008 on
I looked but didn't see this on the board, so mods please delete if redundant. The NCAA is looking to possibly reinstate an old rule making freshmen ineligible. This could be a big game changer if it comes true. So I ask you my fellow MGoBloggers, is this a potential advantage or disadvantage for Michigan? Link:. http://fanbuzz.com/story/ncaa-conference-commissioners-considering-rein…

FauxMichBro

February 14th, 2015 at 12:39 PM ^

so now they all leave as one and done sophomores for hoops? seems like a bad idea; make it 2 years before leaving for NBA if you want to have an impact, but let them play.

bluebyyou

February 14th, 2015 at 1:08 PM ^

It should be their decision. If they make a mistake, they can always return to school.

From a strictly selfish standpoint, I'd like to see all athletes stay in school.  We'd have a pretty good hoops team right about now, but it is their life and should be their choice.

bluesalt

February 14th, 2015 at 1:46 PM ^

The NBA doesn't want to invest in a minor-league system like baseball, and so uses the NCAA as one instead.  The NFL does the same in a sense, but requires three years of school, so the NCAA is getting value as well, and if kids are in school for at least three years, you can keep up appearances about them being student-athletes.

The NBA needs to change their system.  Personally I think the problem could be solved if they added a third round to the draft, allowed D-league players to not count against the NBA roster (they currently do if they're signed to NBA deals), and made it so high-schoolers could be draft no earlier than the third round, high schoolers no earlier than the second, and upper classmen in the first round.  This would help limit some risk to the NBA owners, keep the top players in school a little longer, and give a pro option to kids for whom school isn't the right fit that doesn't require them going to Europe for a year.

bacon

February 14th, 2015 at 8:02 PM ^

The argument in the NFL is that the physical jump is too big from high school to the pros. I think few freshmen are physically big enough to play in the NFL, but if they don't stay in school, the NFL rosters aren't big enough to hold a bunch of players who need development. After three yrs in college, most kids are physically bigger and if they're going to leave for the NFL, they've established that they are a cut above the rest, against a more talented pool.

Muttley

February 15th, 2015 at 11:11 PM ^

in the additional name recognition/college identification that comes with its players having participated in March Madness.

For example, everyone knew where the players from the 92 Dream Team went to college.  But more importantly, fans probably also recognized the names of the 6th men on the also-rans from college.  "That guy was good in college."  

At the height of the straight-from-high-school days, there were more no-name 6th men on also-rans who were just that.

FauxMichBro

February 14th, 2015 at 1:12 PM ^

sure, but what happens when they get drafted in the 2nd round and get cut? now they have no basketball or college eligibility...think they'll put up the 40K a year to attend college? would they even get into college? idk about you, but my outlook on life was much different at 16/17/18 than it is now.

Mr. Owl

February 14th, 2015 at 6:12 PM ^

So why if in America a basketball player should have the right to step out of high school and right into a job with a guaranteed contract in the NBA without any sort of college education, yet if you want a job filing the paperwork for that team you need a BA?

Also, what would keep the league from looking at some 6'2" 130 lb  8th grader & drafting him?

vablue

February 14th, 2015 at 7:39 PM ^

If you are the NBA, it is not dumb. Why not require your re employees to have more experience? Why not require they have enough experience so that you can make a good call on how they will perform, especially since you will pay them millions. If I was in charge of the NBA they would need at least three years of college and have completed credits in business finance and marketing. I want my employees to not only be able to play, but to understand the business.

Wolverine Devotee

February 14th, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^

I gotta tell ya, I really wouldn't mind it. 

Bring back the freshman teams and play other school's freshman teams like the old days. Except this time, it'd get TV coverage. 

mGrowOld

February 14th, 2015 at 12:55 PM ^

FWIW I remember going to watch Michigan's last Freshman team back in 72 I think.  Campy Russell was on the team (he of Pontiac Central fame - right down the street from where i grew up) and back then the Freshman games with Russell had crowds as big as varsity as EVERYBODY wanted to see him play.

mGrowOld

February 14th, 2015 at 12:48 PM ^

Great question.  What "problem" exactly are they trying to solve here?  To me it sounds like something that thecoach of an SEC program of upper classmen would propose immediately after getting his ass kicked by Kentucky.

Mr Miggle

February 14th, 2015 at 3:24 PM ^

The NBA would still draft a lot of the same players after their freshmen years. They know who the big talents are before they enter college. They'd scout the freshmen teams, too.

This rule change would mostly give less time in the college game to star players in both sports.

Maybe it would put a little pressure on the NBA to change their rule. They've already been talking about pushing back the minimum age a year.

Justjoshnya

February 14th, 2015 at 12:47 PM ^

I think that the rule should be you either leave straight out of high school for the NBA or you have to stay in college for 3 years. That way the best of the best still get developed in the NBA while restoring the integrity and excitement of college basketball.

robbyt003

February 14th, 2015 at 12:51 PM ^

I agree 100% with this.  Kids coming for only 1 year is terrible for the schools.  There is way too much oversigning to make up for the potential of a kid leaving school and I can't imagine the kids who are one and dones are taking classes too seriously.  

umchicago

February 14th, 2015 at 1:25 PM ^

how is forcing a kid to stay in college when he doesn't want to be there a good idea?  i even think the one and done rule is dumb.  

the nba (and nfl) just use the ncaa as a free minor league system.  let the pro leagues invest in the 18 year olds who don't want to play school.  they could increase roster size to accomodate.

the ncaa will survive without the one and dones (and two and dones for football).

tolmichfan

February 14th, 2015 at 12:59 PM ^

Going to that system would just bring college hoops back to the way it was and a lot of guys who think they are ready to play in the NBA would just enter the draft. I would prefer to either let guys go back to school if they don't like where they get drafted like baseball or hockey, or go to the NFL route and make them have to wait three years after high school to join the nba.

FauxMichBro

February 14th, 2015 at 1:09 PM ^

right. as a college hoops fan, i'd rather see guys like wiggins, parker, etc for 1 year than 0 years. it's fun, and it makes the overall product better. the ncaa, casual fan, and general populus need to get over the facade that football and basketball players are there like any other student...

ESNY

February 14th, 2015 at 1:53 PM ^

This idea is definitely better than the one and done where you basically have to pretend to go to school for like 2 months.  Why even bother?  If you aren't really interested in school and are only going to bide your time for a year, let them skip the BS.  Can even set up a system like for juniors in the NFL where they can have someone assess where they are likely to be drafted before they make their decision

johnthesavage

February 14th, 2015 at 2:45 PM ^

For a blog that usually (and to its credit) comes down on the side of the rights of student-athletes, I'm surprised your comment is so liked. You're asking for kids to sign away their rights to make big money doing what they do best for three entire years. That's like a three-year long LOI, but worse. No way.

If you want to restore the "integrity" of college basketball, let's start sharing the huge amounts of money a little more fairly. That means shifting more weath and power from the parasitic suits to the kids, who often come from underprivileged backgrounds. You propose to do the opposite.

justingoblue

February 14th, 2015 at 3:45 PM ^

A rule like that couldn't come from the NCAA side, it would need to come from the NBA/NFL.

Without getting into how big of a cut the players deserve, I do think the NBA adopting either the MLB model (three years or right out of high school) or the NHL model (drafting rights for a future contract and not requiring an agent to be drafted) would help both the college and pro games. As far as the NFL goes, I'm not sure there's a big problem with their draft rules, although the guys that go early should have scholarships waiting for them if they decide to come back to school later, IMO.

aratman

February 14th, 2015 at 4:35 PM ^

We are talking about people's livelyhoods.  I don't believe one NBA team was required to draft anyone out of high school.  If they are good enough to get drafted they should be, so much  worry about how billionare team owners spend their money.  If you don't want to take the risk don't drat them.  Would the teams that drafted Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant or Lebron do it again?   YES.  But telling adults they can't earn a living, not because they aren't qualified or talented enough but to protect the owners from themselves seems odd.

HANCOCK

February 14th, 2015 at 12:51 PM ^

I think at some point there has to be some major changes to the system. I dont know if this is the answer, but a real minor league system for basketball and football would solve a lot of problems.