OT: Poll Shows Michiganders Split Evenly on M/MSU
I didn't see this posted on the board, and it's been posted on detnews in the last hour. It's a Lansing based poll, but it sort of makes sense. I imagine we have a much larger national following, and while I'm not sure how this could be measured, I imagine our fans are more loyal - since they show up for the football games.
February 7th, 2011 at 6:42 PM ^
I know that in my head MICH is winning the poll 100% to 0%
February 7th, 2011 at 6:44 PM ^
There's an MSU to contend with us in a poll? Who dares start this "university"?
February 7th, 2011 at 6:49 PM ^
A survey in lansing.....Enough said
February 7th, 2011 at 6:51 PM ^
.....had more replies than, "Which is more interesting - Delta Township or John L. Smith?"
February 7th, 2011 at 10:39 PM ^
I actually interned a couple of years for the firm that took this survey. I can guarantee you there is no bias in the firm. The only bias in the survey would be the normal range in any given survey. 600 is a good sample size but not perfect. Plus Michigan owns Detroit and its harder to get that region to respond to surveys.
February 8th, 2011 at 9:59 AM ^
how can you trust a survey that was based in lansing, maybe they meant to say lansing was evenly divided.
February 8th, 2011 at 7:49 PM ^
that might be the case, they could have just polled people in lansing.
February 8th, 2011 at 11:16 PM ^
The majority of polling firms in the state are based in Lansing because most scientific polls are conducted for political purposes and Lansing is the state capital. This particular poll was conducted by MRG, a firm that does a lot of polling and other consulting work for Michigan Republicans.
February 7th, 2011 at 6:54 PM ^
residents of Michigan prefer the descriptor "Michiganian" to "Michigander" by 74.9% to 19.9%, with 5.2% undecided.
February 7th, 2011 at 6:57 PM ^
February 7th, 2011 at 7:11 PM ^
I'm not sure what two years of 7-5 will do.
/kidding. But only partially kidding. My Michigan fandom has taught me to expect the worst (to be fair, come August, I'll be justifying how we could go 13-0).
February 7th, 2011 at 6:59 PM ^
I wonder if MSU had just gone 15-22 over the past 3 years, would this poll result be the same? Somehow I doubt it. I feel like Sparties are more bandwagon fans, especially in football.
February 7th, 2011 at 9:18 PM ^
Exactly, the poll comes on the heels of an 11-2 best in forefucking ever season. Lets see what their poll numbers are after they get back to their 6-7 ways.
February 7th, 2011 at 9:55 PM ^
Impossible. Everybody knows that every MSU fan ever is a diehard to went to and graduated from MSU, whilst every UM fan is a bandwagon riding Walmart-gear-buying loser who never went to college and lives in his mom's basement in Ecorse.
February 7th, 2011 at 7:03 PM ^
so they polled 600 people out of about 10 million and theyre ready to declare this an evenly divided state? right
February 7th, 2011 at 7:05 PM ^
Nicely played sir.
February 7th, 2011 at 7:44 PM ^
Due to this revolutionary concept called random sampling, it's no longer necessary to interview all 10 million residents.
February 7th, 2011 at 8:12 PM ^
.006% a sampling of the population of Michigan. I'd call that the guys down at the office.
February 7th, 2011 at 9:44 PM ^
600 people is pretty good for a survey. That's good for a margin of error around 4%. If the poll significantly deviates with reality, then the question is not the size of the sample, but rather whether the sample was truly representative of the state.
February 8th, 2011 at 11:02 AM ^
that I know nothing about statistics. Thanks for pointing that out and setting me straight.
February 7th, 2011 at 9:34 PM ^
600 is a good sample size. That said, relying on a single poll to come to a conclusion is not good practice. Especially since the poll crosstabs and methodology are currently unavailable and therefore cannot be evaluated.
February 7th, 2011 at 7:05 PM ^
Also, 600 polled out of 10 million people in Michigan... how is that sample size supposed to produce a statistically significant result?
February 7th, 2011 at 7:10 PM ^
None of them had ever heard of MSU.
February 7th, 2011 at 9:17 PM ^
Didn't we just play them in the Gator Bowl?
February 7th, 2011 at 7:12 PM ^
100% of respondents said they wish they went to Michigan.
February 7th, 2011 at 7:31 PM ^
Interesting addendum to this story. This was actually the second swipe at doing this poll. The first was prior to one of those last couple home games on the schedule over at Spartan Stadium.
The pollsters were apparently told by obstinate MSU fans that they would participate only if they threw in a free cookie voucher to go with the 2 for 1 game tickets they received at Subway. Logistics, logistics.
February 7th, 2011 at 7:41 PM ^
If you've ever seen this, you'll guess what my request is:
I'd like to see how UMich vs. MSU plays out in counties. I've personally found that, generally, UMich plays better in bigger places and MSU plays better in smaller ones. For example, I'll bet that the counties in the NE Lower Peninsula are heavily Sparty. It's really more of a "state" school than UMich. You can see where that might have something to do with agriculture (at least historically).
February 7th, 2011 at 7:53 PM ^
its not even close. michigan rules the state and the nation.
I live in Las Vegas and see way more michigan stuff then michigan state.
My dad played for michigan state and is a michigan fan. Michigan by far has more fans and loyalty.
They are the school. that is all!
February 7th, 2011 at 7:53 PM ^
February 7th, 2011 at 7:57 PM ^
I knew Michigan was experiencing a brain drain but wow.
February 7th, 2011 at 7:58 PM ^
Who did the freep poll in east lansing? Mark D and Drew Sharp! Like hoke said, Give me a break it's michigan.
February 7th, 2011 at 8:35 PM ^
he is straining so hard the he is popping a 'roid. I hope not because 'roids hurt like hell.
February 7th, 2011 at 8:41 PM ^
Statistically significant with a .93 alpha level AMIRITE!
February 7th, 2011 at 9:59 PM ^
I'm sure Sparty will put this in all of their media guides.
February 7th, 2011 at 10:23 PM ^
The big difference is that UM has a MUCH bigger following nationally compared to MSU. The fact that MSU still only polls about 50% in the state has to be a little depressing for them considering how meh UM football has been the past 3-4 years and how this has been the best stretch in MSU football modern history.
February 8th, 2011 at 8:24 AM ^
In addition to too many years of bad football and basketball this poll reflects UM-Ann Arbor's highly selective admissions policy and its practice of admitting large numbers of out-of-state students who then leave Michigan. The result is that fewer and fewer Michiganians actually have family and friends who are UM alumni. In contrast, lots more have friends and family with MSU ties.
MSU has become practically the university of Michigan while Michigan has become the University of New York, LA, Chicago, the United States and the world. UM probably polls better in Winnetka, IL than it does in Farmington, MI.
Rick Snyder is the first Michigan alumnus to be elected governor since G. Mennen Williams, over fifty years. In that same time, MSU has produced two governors -- Blanchard and Engler -- and whole lot of legislators.
February 8th, 2011 at 9:45 AM ^
yep, more evidence that Michigan alums are leaving the state. This is a pefect description of a brain drain.