What an embarrassing bunch of bums
OT: Pistons....Tanking with Purpose
and by "bums" you mean "millionaires"
who will be broke 3 years out of the league...
76ers have been breaking records for incompetence with 26 losses in a row
I'm pleased they finally decided to start losing, about damn time.
It's genuinely sad. Outside of Monroe and Drummond, their roster is pathetic. If they don't manage to get a pick in this draft, they might as well fold that franchise because this is one of the deepest drafts I can remember and they need help bad.
This is the happiest I've been as a pistons fan in a long, long time.
I'm genuinely bummed when I see that they won a game. I'm happy to see they're truly committed to tanking. Losing by that much to a team that is trying to break records with their basketball icompetence is nothing short of impressive.
They wanted to help Philly get out of the loss column; if anything, they're G-D heroes!
It upsets me because Drummond has the potential to be an NBA great. Talent being wasted on a shitty team.
Do everything you can to try and keep that pick
The comments in this thread make me happy to not be a pistons fan. I'm sorry for your allegiance.
With you on that
So, yeah, the Pistons were 33-85 from the field, including 6-21 from downtown, which makes for an eFG% of all of 42.35%, a stat which just will not cut it in the NBA generally. That, of course, is in contrast to the inspired 58.62% eFG% that the Philadelphia players managed to get as a team. I suppose that coroner can pronounce the season dead at any point now.
I've only wanted the Stones to win 1 game since coming to grips with how pathetic they were and they couldn't even do that. Goodbye Joe...your magic ran out with the Billups trade
Since the Billups trade Joe D has basically been Matt Millen. There has been no consistent coherent plan of how to build a team. It was like he was just pulling names out of a hat from coaches on down.
This has truly been one of the worst "rebuilding" efforts I can remember.
It's all part of the plan!
I am still worried about the inevitable late season winning streak that puts us in the 9 slot instead of the 8. It seems like the pistons like to go on meaningless late season winning streaks that hurt our draft position the past few seasons. The stakes are higher this year though because that pick is gone if they finish 9th or higher. Please keep losing guys.
they will probably win just enough to stay in the 8 spot, but someone below them will jump into the top 3, pushing them down to 9 and losing the pick.
We just had to be THAT team to lose to them and break the streak. Congrats boys. What a joke.
Not only lose, but get their doors blown off. That was pitiful.
Fire Dumars tonight. Hire Jack McCloskey for all I care, 89 years old or not.
I don't suppose we can amnesty Josh Smith after 1 year, can we?
Technically we still have our one time only Amnesty Clause left, yay?
Amnesty clause is only usable on someone who signed the deal before the new CBA (so pre lockout). There's no amnesty for new mistakes like Smith and Jennings.
Normally I'm 100% against tanking, but in this case they need to tank with all their might.
They traded away their 1st round pick, but it's top 8 protected, meaning that if they finish in the bottom 8 they get to keep their pick. The Pistons desperately need to nab a guy from this loaded draft.
They also need to keep losing, because right now they have the 8th worst record, so they are technically safe. However, if a team ranked lower than them in the lottery gets lucky with the ping pong balls they could drop top 9th or 10th, meaning they'd lose the pick.
Which is why I think the lottery is stupid. Tanking exisits in every sport to get a high draft pick...not sure how to avoid it, but a lottery system doesn't help the situation.
The lottery (in its original format) was a great idea. The current weighted lottery, which gives the worst teams the most ping-pong balls, is what's wrong.
Relegation avoids it. I freaking love relegation. The Lions would be playing in Thursday night semi-pro by now. God damn it I wish every league had relegation.
Lions were near .500. You know the Jags, Texans, or Bucs would have been relagated right?
Relegation is a total disaster from a financial standpoint and makes it extremely difficult for small-market teams to rebuild sensibly. It's fun for fans of teams not involved, but terrible for those affected.
But it's great for small-market teams in lower divisions who have a chance to play their way up.
That's really the issue. Major-league sports in the US are a monopoly; relegation would threaten that monopoly. Should these small markets have an eternal right to a top-league franchise, at least until their owner decides to move the club? If you live in a city that has one, you probably think the answer is yes. If you live in a city that might be able to support one but doesn't have it, you might think the answer is no.
I'm not sure and haven't seen them in the 1st round draft order. Please tell me Joe didn't give up a 2014 1st round pick along the way of crafting this team. It's only the best draft in 10 years.....
We don't know yet. Depends on our record and how the lottery turns out.
What makes us think that Joe would do anything good with the pick anyway? Yes, it's a loaded draft, but this guy passed up Trey Burke et al. I really don't think anything matters until Dumars is gone (and maybe not until ownership changes).
If you're thinking that Dumars couldn't possibly miss in this draft, don't forget the Pistons' 1979 draft (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1979.html).
from a friend with ties to the team the Pistons are an entirely dysfunctional team with multiple agendas and little love for one another. A draft pick isn't going to help them without major roster changes and a coach that commands respect (the kind of coach I don't think they can get to Detroit).
It's really amazing. They weren't good in the 90s either for a while but they still managed to get Rick Carlise and Larry Brown to come. Nobody that good would want to come anywhere near this franchise now. Amazing what can happen in just six years.
Couldn't have just won 1 game
i've been in florida too long...i read this as "tanking with porpoise".
(this is the dawning of the age of aquariums.)
Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings are bums as long as they are on the Pistons they will be losers. No wonder no one wanted Smith and the Hawks couldn't wait to get rid of him. I would rather have Knight back and Middleton. They both are improving in Milwaukee. Middleton is what we needed a good three point shooting small forward. And Brandon is playing g a lot better than Jennings assists are the only thing Jennings seems to have an edge on Knight. Anyways Pistons should do whatever they can to get rid of Smith and Jennings. They might be able to win if they keep just Jennings but he has to shoot better than 35% from the field. Him and Smith take more shoots then anyone else on the team and they are the worse shooters. And Smith takes threes which he can't make. Joe Dumars has made the worst free agent signings in the NBA since signing lazy charlie and one good playoff series Ben Gordon who isn't even I. The NBA anymore.
As Gordon and Charlie V which is why Joe never should have been around to make those moves. Gores is an idiot for bringing back a lame duck GM who has been terrible for years and then giving him a playoffs or else mandate. Gores deserves this clusterfuck of a team
I have defended this team for the last few months. I withdrawal my defense.
The Pistons should be tanking. it's how teams are built in this era. Even with the private jet, etc, Detroit will never be a destination for free agents. Consequently, the Pistons have to build with savvy draft picks and trades. And occasionally, in years like this one, tanking. I just wish they had started earlier.
I think they should let incoming coach Tom Izzo (yeah, I said it) pick whoever he wants to keep and then try to trade everyone else for draft picks, releasing anyone they can't get any value for. Let Izzo build the team through the draft in his own image and we can see just how deserving he is of his "legend" status.
Next year, they would still get a nice draft pick without even having to tank. In two or three years, we might see a very good team. But they are going nowhere right now and tanking is their best strategy.
If they keep it this year then it becomes less protected. I think they only keep next year's pick (if they keep this year's pick) if it's #1 overall. If it's not, then it goes to Charlotte.
But they made several horrible moves the last couple off seasons because they had a mandate to make the playoffs and turrible GM who lost all concept of team building. So let's not act like this was on purpose.
The NBA needs to go back to the original lottery format, where every non-playoff team had an equal shot at the #1 pick. The point was to discourage tanking. Having a worse record than other non-playoff teams meant nothing, so you could actually keep playing hard all season long. It was a good idea. But then Orlando won it twice in a row in the '90s and they freaked out and made the lottery weighted, which rewarded tanking again. Stupid.
How often does the team with the worst record get the number 1 pick, honestly? It isn't very often.
But they're guaranteed a top-4 pick, so there is an incentive to tank. The team with the next worst record is guaranteed top-5 and so on.
Time to shutter the Palace. It was fun while it lasted.
They need to finish in the bottom 8. Period. And I want this to happen. And I have been a Pistons fan since the days of Kevin Porter & Chris Ford.
People still watch the NBA?!
OK...I don't follow the NBA at all. I was once a Pistons fan years ago, but just don't follow it with any regularity. But I'm confused and need clarity.
I *think* next year's #1 pick is related to the Ben Gordon trade, right? So Joe D. unloaded Ben Gordon and a #1 pick to Charlotte for Corey Maggette and cap space?! And part of that cap space was used to pick up Josh Smith as a free agent?!
Please somebody tell me that what I just outlined is woefully incorrect.