OT: Pistons/"Bad Boys" Are Getting A 30 For 30 Doc
Looks like 25 years after the 1st of 2 championships, the Bad Boys are going to get the 30 for 30 documentary treatment which is set to air April 17th @ 8PM and is two hours long.
I myself am to young too remember the team but my dad still has numerous copies of the front pages of all the newspapers laying around somewhere.
Full Article: HERE
That link takes you back to this page.
Should be fixed now. Apologies.
All set. Thanks.
[EDIT]: Sounds like it is going to be great. I can't wait to watch it.
Now they just need to do one on the Russian Five, the road they took to get to the States and out of Russia, outlining their ridiculous puck possession skills, what happened to Vladdie, and how the team won it for im the following season.
Not for me.
Still working on my end but just in case.......
I would like to see LeBron up against this.
LeBron is the best player in the world, better than MJ in his prime, and would have had no issues against Detroit.
I hate MJ as much as the next guy, but LeBron has nowhere near the competitiveness or mental toughness of MJ. LeBron would win against the Bad Boys in today's NBA, given how the game is called now. But if it was 25 years ago, they'd be scraping him off the floor at the end of the game.
This is an age thing, if you are over 40, Jordan wins. I hate the Bulls, could not stand Jordan and all of his bitching/cheating (see shove on game winning shot against Utah), but he was amazing.
What he did is unbelievable and he did it six times when the league was far better. Too many one and dones from college in the league know. Just my opinion, but Lebron is a freak athlete and a close second , but Jordan was a winner and an asshole.
I am a huge fan of the bad boys and loved that era. I had just moved to Chicago in 88 and that year Michigan won the NCAA ( the final 4 game against Illininois was shared with 4 U o I grads, sweeeeeeeet!!!! I still love Sean Higgins for that put back) and the Pistons won the NBA. Great times.
simply can't compare the two. The game is far too different. The current NBA and the NBA of 1990 are like different sports. Lebron does some of MJ's dunk contest dunks as routine dunks in games, but is that commentary as to Lebron's athleticism or how absurd it is that he is open enough to do them? I believe the best comparison that you have is Lebron v. the Pistons in 2006 and 2007. He looked a lot like MJ, better at some things and not as great at some others. I know Lebron has gotten better since then but really you cannot take that into account because there is literally no defense being played in the NBA right now. Current playoff defense is the equivalent of regular season defense 20 years ago.
better than MJ in his prime. I hated, HATED MJ and that entire Bulls team, while other than the stupidity of The Decision I have no ill feelings towards LeBron. So if anything, I should be biased against MJ in favor of LeBron. But facts are facts. LeBron's a hell of a player, easily one of the 5-7 best I've ever seen, but he's in the Magic/Bird/Kobe grouping (at least thus far). MJ was a cut above all of those guys. If and when LeBron ends up with 6 NBA titles and Finals MVPs, a 72 win season and an entire highlight montage of game winning/playoff game winning shots, then I'll be willing to have the discussion about him being MJ's equal.
The one thing I simultaneously respect and hate about MJ is this - as others have noted, he achieved greatness during a time when touch fouls weren't called and you had to be a MAN to continually drive to the basket against the top defensive teams in the league. He earned his greatness that way, but in doing so, he, Pippen and Phil Jackson bitched about the officiating so much that the league forever changed the way that fouls were called.
As a result, guys like LeBron now play in an era where imaginary fouls are called in favor of superstars driving to the hoop on a regular basis, making it easier for them to decide games. Had LeBron played 25 years ago, he still would have been a great player but I'm not sure if he would have seemed quite as imposing physically. It's a lot harder to look that dominating when defenders are allowed to hand check you before you start your drive to the hoop and then can lay the body into you on the drive without fear of a whistle being constantly blown.
Did not see the /s. That was an oversight, right?
I grew up cheering for the Pistons and loathe Jordan, but Jordan wins this comparison going away.
March 10th, 2014 at 11:46 PM ^
With today's rules, Jordan in his prime could pretty much name his point totals every night if he wanted to. He scored pretty much at will against NBA defenses much tougher than what we see today that were allowed to be much more physical with him than anything that has been seen since about 2004 or 05. And I don't even like the guy.
like Buhda is going to get that one.
At first I did not think that the Bad Boys were worthy of the 2 hour treatment, but that did usher in a completely different era of NBA basketball, the Bulls, the Knicks, and the Pacers were really all built out of that Bad Boy mold with the amount of focus and importance placed on defense. What is really interesting is that typically people think of really "old school" teams being of a more defensive mind, but if you go back and watch Lakers, Celtics, Hawks etc. from the mid 80s, there really was not a whole lot of defense being played.
The Pistons were really the beginning of the glory days of NBA team defense (and kind of the end of it around 2005) which has since given way to, well, I really don't even know what the NBA is right now. A dunk contest and open 3s, and a lot of them.
Didn't matter. The ref had blown the whistle before MJ's first step to the hoop.
sure that didn't stop Lamb from putting him on his behind.
The tight shorts would affect his jumpshot much like the sleeved jersey from last week..
Plus, do you really think Mahorn would allow Bron to just storm down the lane with his shoulder down? HELL NO.
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-DDHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
the NBA was good basketball back then. How silly of me.
The NBA was far and away better in the 90s than the crap we see today.
Meh. there were about 14 or 15 good teams then and there are 14-15 good to solid teams today.
Indiana
Miami
OKC
Portland
LAC
Houston
Golden State
San Antonio
Dallas
Memphis
I would even put Chicago in there, they are good but just are beat up. Toronto and Pheonix are pretty solid teams. Minnesota and detroit have pretty solid talent as well.
No, the 80s was the golden age. By '92, the league was getting watered down. Magic, Bird and Isiah had all retired or gotten too old. Ewing, Barkley, Olajuwon, Stockton/Malone - they were good but not adequate replacements.
That is why the Bulls titles (especially after Jordan came back) are not as impressive as the sheer number suggests. Look at the teams they beat.
They are a great choice for a 30 for 30 film, given how polarizing they were and what an interesting cast of characters they had. I'm surprised it's taken this long.
This is great news! These 30 for 30's are usually pretty good, so I'm excited that the Bad Boys that I grew up cheering for are getting the 30 for 30 treatment. I'm going to make my girlfriend watch it, and any of my friends who don't understand how awesome those Pistons were back then.
"Dion Cocoros, the senior vice president of original production for NBA Entertainment and an executive producer on the film, said the Pistons of that era were the first team to give NBA Entertainment special access such as live sound in the huddles, training-room entry and cameras on bus rides and at hotels."
I certainly hope there is a healthy dose of this footage in the special. This particular "30 On 30" sounds like an excellent trip down memory lane for those who grew up watching this era of Pistons basketball.
For some reason, and I am not at all certain why, I want to dig the SNES out of the attic and play Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball now.
I got to go to game 3 of the 1988 series against the Lakers at the Silverdome. We had split games 1 & 2 in LA so winning game 3 would've given the Pistons a huge advantadge in the series. My brother had a friend who gave us the most amazing seats (about four rows behind the Pistons bench) and we sat directly in front of the Pistorn's wives.
In the 3rd quarter of a game that had been very close the Pistons were called for some ridiculous number of offensive and off the ball violations in row and finally in the 4th Chuck Daly went absolutely nuts as the game tilted heavily to the Lakers. I can still here him screaming at some ref: "Look you purple and gold-loving mother-fuckers....if you want them to win so fucking badly take off your fucking shirt and start wearing one of their jersey's." Needless to say Chuck got the immediate Technical and tossed but his rant has stayed with me.
That's a pretty great CSB. Thanks for sharing.
I've always wanted to be able to sit close enough to hear those types of exchanges.
That is awesome; thanks for sharing.
Yeah, it was terrible. The game 6 game-ending call against Laimbeer, when there was about two feet of air between him and Kareem, was the utmost in big-market bias. The mental toughness the Bad Boys showed to come back and win it all the next two years was amazing. Would have been so easy to pack it in and say, well, the deck is stacked against us so let's give up or get traded to big market teams.
As an aside, I truly believe the NBA's big-market bias is real. I posted on here a while ago a chart of all the championships from the four major sports leagues broken up between big-market (top-10) and small market teams since 1980. The NBA had a lot more lopsided results, in favor of the big markets.
in 5 years. And probably the last I will see for another 5 years.
I'm kind of excited for this; Isaiah Thomas is actually my dad's first cousin. No lie.
I know he gets a decent amount of flack (not really sure why, I don't really follow basketball myself), but I thought it was worrth sharing.
the flack he gets has nothing to do with his playing days. He had a horrible run as New York's Pres. of Basketball Operations that ended with him costing the team $11.6M in a sexual harassment lawsuit. Hell of a player; coaching and executive career has left a bad taste in some mouths.
Ouch. Damn. Needless to say that's never been discussed at the dinner table, lol.
Don't forget that he drove the CBA into the ground, too.
Looking forward to this one.
I had that poster - classic!
"What if I told you...that Bill Laimbeer was kind of an asshole."
"What if I told you...that Dennis Rodman used to only be a little bit weird."
that Scotty Pippen was a crybaby?
that Kevin Duckworth was mentally soft?
that a microwave was built like a truck?
that this joke has gone on way too long?
That's great news!
I still rock this shirt from time to time.
Get the NBA produced video "Motor City Bad Boys" from 1989-90 or the official NBA recap video from the 88-89 season. That had awesome behind the scenes access and quotes, the game footage and music really brought you the drama of those years. As a special treat, the Motor City Bad Boys video has the championship montage after the Pistons won their first title that was shown on CBS immediately after the game set to The Temptations "The Way You Do the THings You Do". Still makes my shed a tear in joy.
I'm hoping the 30 for 30 captures the rise of the Pistons and not just the "they ended Bird & Magic's era!", "They hated Michael Jordan!" memes that seem to dominate talk with the "experts". As much as those guys were hated around the rest of the league, they generated a fierce loyalty in Detroit unlike any other team with the possible exception of the '84 Tigers.
Yep, I always felt bad for AD too.
The head banging happened in the '87 ECF, Game 7 at Boston Garden. AD was still on the team in '88 when the Pistons beat the Celtics in 6 games in the ECF, only to lose in a classic 7 game series against the Lakers. AD was then traded about halfway through the following year for Mark Aguire (aka Pumpkinhead according to John Salley), who went on to play for both championship teams in '89 and '90.