OT - Pistons trade Prince, Daye to Memphis for more cap relief

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:34 PM
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OT - Pistons trade Prince, Daye to Memphis for more cap relief

In a move that can only be justified for cap relief, the Pistons have agreed to send Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye to Memphis for point guard Jose Calderon (recently aquired from Toronto). 

Calderon will join Rodney Stuckey, Will Bynum, and Brandon Knight to give the team four point guards.  Meanwhile, the small forward option is pretty much Corey Maggette. 

Good news is Calderon comes off the books this offseason and the move frees up an additional 25 million for Dumars to spend.  Bad news is Dumars will spend it on Ben Gordon. 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--grizzlies-trade-rudy-gay-to-raptors-in-three-team-deal-230755012.html 

Tay, we'll always have your block on Reggie Miller in the '04 ECF. 

The swag is back. 

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:36 PM | Good move (Score:5 Normal)
BlueNation
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Prince needed to go. As for sf, singlet can play that role too. Stuckey typically plays sg now. He needs to be traded too.

January 30th, 2013 at 8:00 PM | op has it wrong its a 3 team (Score:-1 Trolling)
January 30th, 2013 at 8:06 PM | Memphis doesn't make that (Score:5 Normal)
Butterfield
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Memphis doesn't make that deal unless they get a player like Ed Davis.   Unless you are willing to include a Drummond or Monroe, the Pistons didn't have any pieces for Gay. 

And yes, it was a three team trade - but I was just reporting what most people around here would be interested in - which I think is the implications for the Stones. 

The swag is back. 

January 30th, 2013 at 9:34 PM | Well you said Calderon was (Score:-1 Overrated)
January 30th, 2013 at 10:43 PM | He was technically traded to (Score:2)
Butterfield
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He was technically traded to Memphis who then flipped him to detroit. All part of one agreement but he was Memphis property for a split second.

The swag is back. 

January 30th, 2013 at 9:33 PM | I would of none have that. (Score:2)
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I would of none have that.

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:37 PM | Raptors clear winners today. (Score:-1 Flamebait)
January 30th, 2013 at 10:11 PM | Eh (Score:3 Normal)
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I would not say the Raptors are the clear winners, this isn't fantasy basketball where they simply traded Calderon for Gay. They acquired the obligation to pay Gay up to $19M in two years.  That's franchise player-money for a second or third banana.

January 30th, 2013 at 7:40 PM | I like Jose Calderon. I know (Score:5 Normal)
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I like Jose Calderon. I know it is as you describe it and it doesn't make sense to have four point guards but I think Stuckey should be a permanent two and Knight is more of a combo guard. Good move though, Gut this team; build around Knight, Drummond and Monroe.

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:41 PM | I don’t know why Dumars re-signed Prince and Stuckey. (Score:4 Normal)
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He is  turrible. It amazes me how poor of  a job he has done in the past 6 years. Dumars has achieved the unique distinction of being one of the Pistons worst and best GMs'.. 

 

As for cap space, I don't see why that matters. The Pistons haven't lured a decent free agent here since...um, well...

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:44 PM | McDyess? Probably not elite (Score:2 Normal)
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McDyess? Probably not elite but certainly in that David West/OJ Mayo territory of free agent.

Blank.....Blank......You're not looking at the big picture here.

January 30th, 2013 at 7:47 PM | If you recall there were serious issues with McDyess’ knee. (Score:3 Normal)
SalvatoreQuattro
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The Pistons were able to land him because of that. That was when Dumars could do no wrong. Now he cannot do anything right.

"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"

January 30th, 2013 at 7:51 PM | No no I agree with your (Score:1)
WMUgoblue
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No no I agree with your general message, I just think this deal might be better for the overall health of the team than you are giving credit for.

Blank.....Blank......You're not looking at the big picture here.

January 31st, 2013 at 1:46 PM | last 3 draft picks he's done right (Score:1)
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Monroe, Knight, and Drummond all appear to be good draft picks.  But he has done a lot of dumb stuff these past 8 years going back to the Darko pick.

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:55 PM | John Hammond was the brains (Score:3 Normal)
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Ever since John Hammond left for the Bucks, Joe D has suddenly gotten dumber.  Most people in the NBA know Hammond was the real brains, but Joe D got all the credit.  I was really hoping when new ownership took over Joe D would get the axe too.  

Who knows, after clearing out this cap space, maybe he'll get the axe at the end of the season and give someone else a fresh start.

Hot dogs are the devil.

January 30th, 2013 at 8:20 PM | Chauncey Billups was a free (Score:2)
snarling wolverine
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Chauncey Billups was a free agent.  (Granted, that was a decade ago.)

January 30th, 2013 at 9:38 PM | He always sucked... look at (Score:-1 Overrated)
January 30th, 2013 at 9:54 PM | Come on.  He unloaded Jerry (Score:5 Normal)
snarling wolverine
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Come on.  He unloaded Jerry Stackhouse and got Rip Hamilton, traded a bunch of garbage for Rasheed Wallace, signed Billups as a FA for peanuts . . . he made a lot of great moves in his first 5-6 years.

His draft record isn't that bad.  He's drafted Prince, Mehmet Okur, Aaron Afflalo, Stuckey, Maxiell, Knight, Monroe and Drummond.  Everyone rips on him for the Darko pick but that considered the smart move by most analysts at the time.  Hindsight is 20/20.

 

January 31st, 2013 at 1:59 AM | He's drafted a few talented (Score:0 Overrated)
January 31st, 2013 at 3:27 AM | It doesn't matter what the (Score:5 Normal)
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It doesn't matter what the Hamilton-Stackhouse deal looked like at the time, look how it turned out in the long run? Same with Rasheed, the Pistons ended up with the better end on both deals, if you can't see that then you're not looking at it very fairly.

Blank.....Blank......You're not looking at the big picture here.

January 31st, 2013 at 4:50 PM | it does matter, sorry, (Score:-1 Overrated)
January 31st, 2013 at 5:24 PM | But the Pistons ended up (Score:4 Normal)
WMUgoblue
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But the Pistons ended up getting far more VALUE out of Rip than the Wizards did out of Stackhouse, that's the point i'm making. That deal was a steal and lead to the long term success of the team.

Blank.....Blank......You're not looking at the big picture here.

January 31st, 2013 at 4:39 AM | One thing Joe was excellent (Score:4 Normal)
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One thing Joe was excellent at early in his career was not compounding mistakes with other mistakes. Look at how quickly he flipped guys like Mateen and Rodney White when he knew they weren't going to pan out. 

Joe has managed to turn chicken shit into chicken salad on a few occasions

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January 31st, 2013 at 9:50 AM | We gave up two first round (Score:5 Normal)
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We gave up two first round picks, Bob Sura, Zeljko Rebraca, Lindsey Hunter, and Chucky Atkins.  We gave up a lot in quantity, but seriously, all of those players were on their last legs and none stuck with the team that acquired them.  In fact, we got Hunter back a month afterward.

The Rasheed trade was nothing but a positive, brilliant acquisition by Joe and I'm really surprised to see it lumped in with other "negatives".

January 31st, 2013 at 12:20 PM | A lot of trades look even at (Score:3 Normal)
jmblue
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A lot of trades look even at the time they're made - they have to, or both parties wouldn't agree to them.  But Stack for Rip was a pretty clearly good move off the bat.  You can't build a championship team around a high-volume, low-percentage shooter like Stackhouse, especially when he didn't play much defense either.  Rip was younger, a more efficient scorer and somewhat better defender.  Didn't the Pistons also get a draft pick?

January 30th, 2013 at 10:17 PM | If you aren't a (Score:1)
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If you aren't a Miami/LA/NY/Chicago team, you'll have a hard time attracting free agents.  But with enough money to overpay a bit, though, you might have a chance at nabbing someone.  And it isn't always about gettng a max guy, but having the ability to sign 3-4 "better" players than you currently have on the roster.  I mean, nobody on that '04 team was a major signing, and they won the title.  Dumars just has to be careful not to get a Charlie V or Gordon this time, or at least have the flexibility to rid himself of those bad contracts earlier.

January 31st, 2013 at 2:02 AM | The cool thing about Miami, (Score:2)
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The cool thing about Miami, Chicago, Boston, LA, the other LA, Orlando, Houston, Dallas,  New York, and Brooklyn is they already bet the farm on the players they have, and don't have a ton of money to pony up this year, or next. The teams we're likely competing with are Utah, Charlotte, New Orleans, and Atlanta.  We could essentially have Brandon Jennings, Monta Ellis, Tyreke Evans, Rudy Gay and a few others to ourselves, and an extra $50m a year to work with.

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:43 PM | Hmmm (Score:5 Normal)
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A three way with gay?

In all seriousness, this is a great deal.  Prince has been an average player since the "playoff dyansty" broke up and he isn't worth the contract.  I really hope we don't spend our new cap space on another selfish tweener pg/sg that needs 20 shots a game to be effective.  Bring back that Detroit defense we used to love!

January 30th, 2013 at 7:42 PM | Singler (Score:2 Normal)
Andy_Ohio_sucks
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should be a part of the core as well. Hope Stuckey and Maxiell are next trade.

January 30th, 2013 at 7:43 PM | Crazy that all the starters (Score:2 Normal)
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Crazy that all the starters from the 04 championship are gone. This would happen during the Michigan hoops game.

January 30th, 2013 at 7:49 PM | Even crazier is that 2004 was (Score:5 Normal)
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Even crazier is that 2004 was almost a decade ago.

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:43 PM | What a great deal. Calderon (Score:1)
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What a great deal. Calderon is a pass-first PG who can knock down the 3....he and Drummond are going to be fun to watch. Getting rid of Tay's contract was also a win. Sets them up for some big moves this summer to complement Monroe, Drummond, and Knight, and with a good-looking free agent crop, I don't think Joe will mess up again.

January 30th, 2013 at 7:46 PM | 'bout time. Dumars is making (Score:1)
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'bout time. Dumars is making up for the Gordan/Villa...  debacle. 

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:57 PM | Nope (Score:2 Normal)
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Nothing can ever be done to make up for that.  The Chauncey for AI trade and signing those two idiots doomed this franchise for what will probably be a decade or more.

Hot dogs are the devil.

January 30th, 2013 at 8:22 PM | I thought that until Andre (Score:4 Normal)
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I thought that until Andre Drummond took the court.  He is a franchise center in the making.

January 30th, 2013 at 8:32 PM | Drummond is only one player though (Score:0 Offtopic)
January 30th, 2013 at 9:31 PM | An elite big man is hardest (Score:5 Normal)
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An elite big man is hardest thing to find in the game.  Drummond gives the Pistons an ace in the hole.  It's not that hard to find a few shooters/slashers to accompany him (relatively speaking).  Finding that big guy is the big challenge, and they've got him.

January 30th, 2013 at 8:11 PM | Yea he's not making up for it (Score:1)
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Yea he's not making up for it he's paying for it

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:47 PM | Good. (Score:2 Normal)
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Dump Maxiell and Stuckey and the "Going to Work" Era is dead. The team needs a new identity.

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January 30th, 2013 at 10:50 PM | The (Score:4 Normal)
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The identity has and will always be a blue collar attitude.

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:51 PM | Would love (Score:1)
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for the Pistons to draft Trey Burke, he would make this team hum....Knight is an average player IMO

January 30th, 2013 at 8:04 PM | For his sake I hope they (Score:2 Normal)
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For his sake I hope they don't.  Same reason why I don't want the lions to draft Denard.  

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January 30th, 2013 at 8:24 PM | I know the last few years (Score:5 Normal)
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I know the last few years have been tough, but come on, are you really comparing the Pistons to the Lions?  The Pistons have three NBA titles in the last quarter-century.

January 30th, 2013 at 10:44 PM | Yep. Dumars is the nba (Score:-1 Trolling)
January 30th, 2013 at 10:48 PM | Exactly. (Score:3 Normal)
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That's BS. The Pistons have to be one of the best organizations to play for in the NBA (Spurs... Pistons, then Jazz?). They're very loyal to their players, have won championships and reward success.

I really don't understand the comment above. The only thing that is positive about the other teams in the NBA are markets for endorsements and weather.

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January 31st, 2013 at 7:51 AM | I am surprised you were able (Score:0 Overrated)
January 31st, 2013 at 1:50 PM | I do not... (Score:1)
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Pistons don't need another PG.  My guess is the Pistons will go after a Small Forward.  And my guess is we'll get a pretty good one at that considering Prince is gone and so a lack of a foward will make us slide further and get a nice lottery pick.

And I think Knight is a very solid player, and I hope he stays for a while.

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:55 PM | Indeed. (Score:3 Normal)
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Seems like that six year run of eastern conference finals, with two nba finals was ages ago.

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:56 PM | Deal Dumars' bad contracts for salary cap space (Score:0 Trolling)
January 30th, 2013 at 7:59 PM | Is it bad (Score:2 Normal)
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Of I don't know a single player on the pistons if you asked me? I haven't been interested since 2005

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