Title says it all. The Pistons were picked 9, which gives their first round draft pick to the Charlotte Hornets.
So how much does Dan Gilbert pay for the 1st pick every year?
and I'm sick of them getting the #1 pick seemingly every/every other year!!
If the lottery is fixed the NBA isn't doing a very good job of it. The Lakers and the Celtics were both in this lottery and neither got a top 5 pick.
The Ewing lottery was a live event. The conspiracy theorists claim the NBA froze the Knicks envelope.
He needs to pay more to the people who actually make the draft selections and get guys who can at least play in the NBA.
The NBA is so rigged. Really the Cavs get the first pick again? This is ridiculous . They can pick Embiid and lebron can come back.
Rigged for Cleveland? Why would anybody rig anything for Cleveland?
So stern and now silver owes them. And Dan Gilbert has naked pics of both their microphalluses.
Somebody on a pistons blog did the odds of Cleveland getting 3/4 #1 picks:
I did my own calculations and they came to:
Fuck the NBA and their bullshit lottery.
What is so bad about tanking? I don't see people whining about the Jacksonville Jaguars or the Houston Astros being terrible and getting "rewarded" with a high draft pick.
The NBA is so star-driven that the only way 80% of the league can get good is by hitting on a draft pick. I'd rather the worst teams get the best players and have a chance to get better than one mediocre team keep getting the best players and still sucking.
Besides, Bill Simmons had an interesting stat yesterday:
Through 29 NBA lotteries dating back to 1985, only one franchise ever won the NBA title with its own no. 1 overall pick. The team? San Antonio with David Robinson (two titles) and Tim Duncan (four titles, two with Robinson).
Good luck Cleveland!
is an ass-clown, so there's also that to consider. If his predictions had turned out wrong, nothing would be made of it. There's such a wide range of conspiracies you can propose, somebody is bound to be right.
Read it again.
A hint: the first couple of paragraphs, about Cleveland, were added after the draft. The rest of the piece had already been posted beforehand.
In a year that Boston and the Lakers can win the lottery, I'm sure the league is rigging it for Cleveland.
3 of the last 4. 1.7% chance of the number 1 pick. That is ridiculous. There team is going to really good next year once lebron makes "the decision 2".
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Dion Waiters
SF: LeBron James
PF: Tristian Thompson
C: Joel Embiid
That is assuming MeBron can outplay Anthony Bennett for the SF spot.
No, it's assuming Tristan starts over Bennett.
Swing and a miss.
Swing and a miss? I guess I'm the pitcher and you're the catcher... NTTAWWT.
that lineup isn't even really that good. Don't see why LeBron would rather play there as oosed to with Miami or the Clippers.
Not that good?
PG: Kyrie Irving, an all star.
SG: Dion Waiters, Dwayne Wade wanna be.
SF: LeBron James, best player in the world.
PF: Tristian Thompson, budding young player.
C: Joel Embiid, some think he is the best talent in the draft.
This team would have options to score and be good on defense. No more old D Wade, no more alien Bosh. Just LeBron and Kyrie taking things over. Plus Luol Deng and Anderson Varejao.
you've over-valued Thompson and Waiters. Not to mention that Kyrie has shown little development since his rookie year.
Still though, any team with LeBron is automatically good. Adding Irving, who has progressed, and Embiid who some say is the next Hakeem Olajuwon and you have a good team. Irving can actually play 70 games a season unlike wade and Embiid plays defense. Bosh can't play D and he is an off and on scorer.
has played a whopping 6 regular season games more than Wade in the last two seasons. Not to mention, Irving has regressed in every statistical category since his rookie year. LINK He's obviously very talented, but he has to prove it for a whole season. Embiid is going to be great if healthy, but that team is still looking at playing Dion Waiters and Tristan Thompson for 30+ minutes per game. It's definitely a better roster than what LeBron had when he was there to start his career, but I don't really see that team being good enough to win a title unless LeBron has some kind of ridiculous run. I don't think he wants that; just my opinion.
I will eat a hat if LeBron returns to Cleveland. I know there is talk about him considering it, but when I see something more than the smoke being blown up Cleveland's collective butt I'll believe it.
He will go where ever gives him the best chance to win. If the Heat don't win it this year, I bet he becomes a free agent.
NBA has been junk for awhile now...
was allowed to come back. Yes
What do you mean by "was allowed"?
The point of the lottery is to show that things like this can happen and you can't just tank for a guaranteed top pick. I guess they could very well be rigging the lottery, but this wasn't impossible. Odds are odds. With the way their last #1 pick went, it's not like they're guaranteed an awesome player by any means. I'm more upset that the Pistons lost their pick. I've payed so little attention to them this year that I didn't even realize they conditionally traded that pick.
Dan Gilbert must have some kind of dirt on the league as a whole. This is crazy
If anyone can fuck up the number 1 pick in this draft, it is the cavs
More like several apologies for losing LeBron, but they've squandered them all so fuck them. Whoever they draft will turn out to be shit and tear their ACL within a month.
Cavs suck, now, forever, always...
Name one Cavs first rounder that tore his ACL in the last what 20 years? Maybe one exists but your point is ridiculous. This isn't purdue
While Cleveland gets the #1 pick AGAIN. I thought the big guy was supposed to hate them.
There can be no true despair without hope.
At least it's over with....nothing on the books starting next draft. #positiveside
Isn't their number 1 pick point guard projected to leave their team next year?
Not if he's playing with Wiggins.
I got crucified on here the other day by the Dumars supporters. Your failure is complete.
There are multiple dumars supporters? Well I guess Joe has family members, so that's a few right there.
One last fuck you from Dumars. It sucks but it's over now. Man up and move on. The Pistons have $21-28 million in cap space depending on what happens this off-season. They can re-shape their team and ball out from here onward.
Beyond annoyed with how this turned out. I hope Cleveland picks Darko Jr.
Reason 900 to hate Joe Dumars and reason 1000000 to think the lottery is rigged.
Not to mentions the Indians are just rocking JV right now.
Horrible night for Detroit and pretty awesome in Cleveland right now.
Meh the "Win-dians" are a whooping 9.5 games back already, just not a good night for JV.
"The NBA rigged the lottery for Cleveland".
THE ok NBA keep going RIGGED uh-huh THE yea LOTTERY im with you FOR sure CLEVELAND. you completely lost me.
im all for conspiracy theories. the nba has no cred with me. but there needs to be some logic behind the theory.
"The NBA rigged the lottery for Clevaland... so that... they could make less money...?" doesnt add up.
Does anyone really question if the NBA is rigged anymore? Good grief. How many times has Cleveland had the #1 pick?
3 of the last 4
Why would the NBA so obsessively want Cleveland to get better that they'd throw them one #1 pick after the next? If Boston had one, people would claim conspiracy. If the Lakers had won, people would claim conspiracy. If New York had won, people would claim conspiracy.
The recent winners (since 2000) aren't exactly a who's who of teams that the NBA should want to stack to improve its ratings:
New Jersey, Washington, Houston, Cleveland, Orlando, Milwaukee, Toronto, Portland, Chicago, LA Clippers, Washington, LA Clippers, New Orleans, Cleveland, Cleveland
Sometimes probability just works out in funny ways, like it did here with Cleveland.
I applaud your sound reasoning and clear headed rationale, sir.
If the NBA was rigged the would have given vision the picks to Boston, LA, and Philadelphia. also the owners would have sued the shit out if the league by now.
lmao does anyone know what the chances were of Cleveland landing inside the top 3? fuck Cleveland
6.7% for top 3, 1.7% for the 1. Kill me now.
Detroit to lose their pick
At some point the NBA needs to say, "You can only be shitty for so long" and change the way they do things. If you've won 3 lotteries in 5 years, I mean, that can't happen... If you're still struggling to make the playoffs even though you're dominating the lottery, you desrve to be shat upon as an organization.
Like the Ted Stepien rule of old, maybe we need a new rule built around the Cavs to say, "Hey, look, we can't keep rewarding you for being the shittiest franchise in the NBA with number 1 picks. At some point you're going to have to figure this out on your own."
So who is this year's Bennett in the draft because you know they'll find a way to screw up the easiest 1-2-3 picks ever?
I think Embiid has the potential to be the next Michael Olowokandi. Hopefully the Cavs jump all over that.
I wish the NBA would at least not make the rig job so damn obvious. We had to get the 8th pick and we just happened to end up at 9. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Cavs get ANOTHER top 3 pick?!?! Just straight up tom-foolery.
"Since the lottery moved to its present format in 1994, the team with (or tied for) the best odds has won three of the 20 lotteries."
I understand 20 is a small sample size, but that seems very small. Does anyone have the distribution of expected vs actual?
Well the worst team has a 25% chance of getting the first pick. So 3 out of 20 isn't bad since it should theoretically be 5 out of 20.
Actually, according to Wikipedia, those numbers are wrong. The lottery went to the weighted formula in 1990, when the worst team (Nets) won the lottery. The "tweaked" the format in 1994 to the current system. 2 teams have won the lottery with the worst record since 1994; Cleveland tied in 2003 when they got LeBron.
So, the stats should be, 2 out of the last 20 (10%) have gone to the team with the worst record. In the "weighted" age of the lottery, the number is 3 out of 24 (12.5%). Ironically, they were doing better in the old system (1 of 4 worst teams winning) than they are in the new system.
1. Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Milwaukee Bucks
4. Orlanda Magic
5. Utah Jazz
6. Boston Celtics
7. LA Lakers
8. Sacremento Kings
9. Hornets (Damm you Ben Gordon)
10. Philly 76ers (again)
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Orlanda Magic (again)
13. Minnesota Timberwolves
14. Phoenix Suns
Oh Bubbles, how I miss thee.
Cataracts at 18 months old, pretty much had them my whole life. I can wear contacts though, so it's not that big a deal.
I have tried to understand the lottery before but never quite can. Can someone on MGoBlog give me a quick, easy detailing of the lottery system?
I do not understand the NBA draft at all. How did the Pistons lose their pick? Why is it Dumars's fault?
A couple of years ago, Detroit traded Ben Gordon and a protected draft pick to the Charlotte Hornets for Corey Maggette (a deal made to get Ben Gordon's horrible contract off the team). This year that pick was top-8 protected (so if Detroit's pick was 8 or better, Detroit would have kept the pick). Since Detroit ended up getting the 9th pick, Charlotte gets it.
Damn, that's rough.
When the pistons had Ben Gordon under a ridiculously large contract, dinars traded him and a top 8 protected 2014 pick to them for Corey maggette. If the pistons had gotten 8th or above in the lottery, they would have kept their pick, but the got 9th and lost it to Charlotte
to the Dumars era.
Wait, so the Pistons get no first round draft pick? How the hell is that fair? No Stauskas on the Pistons then?
It's completely fair. It is completely Detroit's fault. The lottery still fucking sucks though, which is why it is the only system of its kind found in professional sports
I regard the Piston's in a similar light as the Lion's.....laugh at their ineptitude and hope like hell that no Michigan Man has to ever be associated with those franchises.
to win mutliple NBA championships and very few to win back to back. They're a good franchise except when they have their lean years after going to ECF for 6 straight years.
The Piston's have a great history and are a very accomplished franchise. I was more or less speaking in regards to the the last 5 years or so. Maybe I shouldn't have compared them to the lion's, but it was to just get the point across as to how bad theyve been the last few years
Wow. I guess the NBA felt so bad for Lebron ditching us we get to have the #1 pick in the draft until we're good again.
Mallory Edens is a babe.
The nba is a joke
Screw cleveland. They took Anthony Bennett. I am convinced that Dan Gilbert sleeps with whoever the nba commish
is. The pistons ALWAYS get screwed by the lottery
Well you can't really blame 2003 on the lottery...
That's why we got the number two pick overall in a year with Lebron, DWade, Bosh, while also playing in the Conference Finals.
And we lose our First Round pick. Did you wanna get rid of Ben Gordon that bad, Joe D?
While this sucks, Yes, yes we absolutely had to get rid of Ben Gordon at that time. (but I am pissed that Dumars gave him that horrible contract in the 1st place.
Gordon only had 2 years left on that horrible 5 year deal. If we wait one more year then Gordon has an expiring contract. We probably get a trade where we keep our pick.
I had no idea this much was at stake. Serious gut punch on the way out by Joe D. Absolutely brutal.
The amnesty function was created for teams like Detroit. A quick fix to change your cap situation without engaging in trades like the Gordon-Maggette trade. Well, guess which dumb fucking franchise never used its amnesty?
This is largely on Tom Gores. Well, Dumars for signing Ben Gordon in the first place. But from what I've read, Dumars would've amnestied Gordon if Gores had been willing to sign the check to do so. Gores didn't want to, so Dumars made this trade to offload the contract instead.
Yup. And now it's backfired on Gores.
I forgot Gordon was eligible. Cheap owner as well for not paying Gordon to not play.
I hope those garbage wins at the end of the season meant something... But I know they didn't.... It would have put them in the 7 spot and we'd be picking 8th right now. Stupid fucking team. I hope SVG can turn these bums around.
The Pistons went 7-24 during the last eight weeks of the season. I don't think that they snatched victory from the clutches of defeat too often once they (unofficially) went into tank mode. It's actually remarkable that their roster managed to lose that efficiently.
For those asking how the Pistons lost their pick and why Dumars is to blame, they traded their first round pick to Charlotte (top 8 protected) with Ben Gordon for Corey Magette. The Pistons had the 8th worst record, so they needed to have none of the teams below them jump into the lottery, bumping them down a slot (after top 3, order is set). Because Cleveland jumped Detroit, they slid to 9, meaning the pick is no longer protected and goes to Charlotte.
to get back into the top end of the first round.
His contact is up.
Sign and Trade...He gets most money from us in Max deal and he's restricted so he goes no where unless we let him.
I actually like Greg Monroe. Especially when everyone is always looking for big men...Build around Andre Drummond and Monroe. Get whatever you can for Josh Smith, and everyone else on the roster should be fair game if a good deal comes, but those 2 should be cornerstones.
I Like him too but i don't think he is a good match with Drummond and i Like Drummond a whole heck of alot more.
Yea its rigged. Quicken Loans was the highest bidder again.
so if one ran this set of 3 lotteries again, 200,000 times, we would expect to get this same outcome 15 times.
not sure what to think of that.
We're in pet peeve territory, but that's a ridiculous calculation. So that's the probability of the Cavs getting the #1 pick in 2011, 2013, and 2014. That's a really arbitrary thing to test.
Why not report the probability of the Cavs getting three #1 picks in four years (instead of those three particular years)? Why focus only on the Cavs -- not on the probability that any team would get the #1 pick three times in four years at least once over the history of the NBA Draft lottery? Why not note all of the things that didn't happen (e.g., no high-profile teams except the Bulls winning the lottery this century)?
People spin numbers like this into conspiracy theories, but I think a lot of that is just playing misleading games with probabilities.
Taking into account the 13.8% chance they had to win in 2012, the probability of getting at least 3 number 1 picks through those 4 years was 0.108%, so about 1 in 928. Not totally out of the realm of possibility, but it does look odd when the rest of the draft order was chalk.
I agree with the posters above that if they had nothing to hide about it being rigged, they could easily do it live on TV. They'd get a lot more ratings that way, too.
What seems like the final event of the Dumars era (the product of an earlier decision, as others explained) sort made me feel like the poor guy who ran the control tower in "Top Gun" when it comes to the lottery and Dumars:
In happier news, Stauskas to the Nugs at 11. Book it.
That was a terrible deal. Lot's of good options and we don't pick until the second round. I thought we were going to get bumped when we ended up eighth.
I guess we don't have to worry about the Pistons getting Stauskas now.
Man, what rotten situation. Are we sure Matt Millen was not secretly running the Pistons for a while? May have to buy some talent now.
No regrets. That's a win.
He'll be long gone.
If the Pistons find a way to trade for K-Love, I'm going to laugh. It might happen...
Do the Pistons really need another 8th pick in the draft. Is that going to sure up their team, or just add more to the cap? This may, in some way, be a blessing in disguise.
Hey, I'm trying here, cut me some slack.
I'm of the opinion that having a 1st round pick > not having a 1st round pick. This does hurt the Pistons as they would have obtained a cheap, cost controlled, possible talent with the 8th pick. Instead the get nothing in what was already going to be yet another rebuilding year.
Well this puts the Pistons back a few more years. They're stuck in mediocrity for the next 5 years.
They're not mediocre. Besides Minnesota and Sacramento they have the next longest playoff draught in the nba. You have issues if you can't get the 8 seed. It's not like you even have to have a winning record.
You're right, we're worse than mediocre. We finished 9 games back of the 8th seeded Hawks, who were 6 games below 0.500. We're bringing back the same team.
In the NBA you can't just coast by and slowly get better like in the NFL, NHL, or MLB. You'll be stuck barely missing or barely making the playoffs. You need to rack up multiple top draft picks.
I would be shocked if we bring back the same team. Also we have over 20 mil in cap space so i'm sure we will be players in the free agent/trade market. I think Monroe is gone.
Yeah, the Pistons have really cleaned up in free agency lately.
I saw Brandon Jennings hit the side of the backboard twice this year while jacking up 3's. After the second time, I never watched another game again. I wanted Stauskas really bad here with this pick. This sucks big time.
I am so pumped right now. I really do feel bad that the Pistons lost their pick, but as a Cavs fan who's seen us pick Tristan Thompson and Anthony Bennett with top 4 picks, I can promise you that these picks don't always pan out. With that said, at least from the Cavs perspective, this year has better prospects than any of the prospects in 2011 and 2013 when we won. I think Embiid has the most potential and could be the next Hakeem Olajuwon, so if his back checks out okay I think you have to take him.
So how much did Dan Gilbert have to pony up?
forgot Dion Waiters.
I'm still holding out hope for Waiters. He has so much potential, and I think he can become a very good player with the right coaching.
With that said, if LeBron comes back (still unlikely, but you have to think it's more likely now than it was 2 hours ago), I think Waiters will be traded. Not enough shots to go around for Kyrie, LeBron, #1 pick, and Waiters.
If Embiid is the #1 pick, he will not require a lot of shots.
You think Embiid will be the next Hakeem Olajuwon? What in the world gives you that idea.
Cleveland can miss the playoffs with 4 top-4 picks on their roster! I second Joakim Noah's take on Cleveland.
Make that five top-4 picks (Kyrie, Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, 2014)!
Fire Joe Dumars.
Don't downvote me. Downvote Joe D! I didn't throw away the Pistons only possible way of improving their personnel.
Why would the NBA rig anything for the Cavs? Kyrie Irving would be listed as a missing person if he didn't play on the road.
Just saw that the Kings are looking to deal the 8 for a PG. Could be interesting.
I noticed that every single poster who questioned the NBA's credibility has been negged. Some of you guys are either extremely naive or work for the NBA.
This wouldn't be a problem if the league actually knew what a travel and legal screen were. Fuck their gimmicks. It isn't basketball.
Frustrating to think that one more lost game could have done the trick. Send Jennings to the kings for the eighth pick and call it good.
Depends who else is available. If he falls that far though, why not? Get a hustle 4/5 to play next to Andre Drummond?
There's no way the Kings would give up the 8th pick for Brandon Jennings. They'd probably rather start McCallum than do that.
There's no way the Kings would give up the 8th pick for Brandon Jennings. They'd probably rather start McCallum than do that.
couple of years ago the Kings ownership might have bit---unfortunately, they appear a little savvier these days.
Losing their 1st rounder is a kick in the balls the Pistons richly deserve for trying to win meaningless games for much of the season. And the insane Jennings and Smith signings. And Charlie V. And Ben Gordon. And, for the love of God, Rodney Stuckey. And drafting Darko. Cleaves. Rodney freakin' White. Walter Sharpe. K(id) C(an't) P(lay). Oy vey.
fantastic chain of events:
sign gordon to a terrible contract > throw away lottery pick in great draft to unload said contract > use cap space from said unloading to sign josh smith to a terrible contract.
nevermind the dubious moves required to get gordon's cap space or what we'll have to do to unload smith.
i do blame gores, but dumars fell so far from the gm he was 10 years ago. unforgivable.
glad M basketball is good. dont care if i ever pay attention to the nba again.
That means they can't not draft Stauskas. I guess.
They're in prime position to make me a diehard fan.
They truly should take Stauskas and GRIII with their two first rounders. Paring those two with Kemba Walker is a nice combo, then they have MKG who gives them defense on the wing that GRIII and Stauskas both lack.
They've got Jefferson at C and McRoberts/Zeller at PF so I think it's a year too early to give up on Zeller.
If I'm them, take the Michigan duo and then get a PF in the 2nd round. They need guys who can put the ball in the basket and Stauskas and Robinson III can do just that.
rumblings that Detroit may do a sign and trade along with the 38th pick to get that 9th pick back...I heard they like the idea of Monroe and Jefferson side by side
is too long a season. Nobody can go full-bore for 3000 basketball-minutes per year. You either find a way to reduce your workload (and thus look like you "aren't trying") or your body does it for you (see Varejao, A.).
because of all the cities and teams in the league, why would the NBA ever rig it for Cleveland? They wouldn't.
Agree. Cleveland and Milwaukee picking 1 and 2 is the least desireable outcome for the league. Besides, the lottery is monitored by independant auditors and team representatives.
The "Lottery is rigged" people are one of the most annoying groups of people in all of sports. Like you said, they seem to ignore that all of the reps and auditors are there and that you can come up with a conspiracy theory for any team winning the lottery. If Minnesota had won, they're trying to keep Love in a small market. If Boston or LA had won, they want a storied franchise to get the best player, etc. Just a dumb theory.
Money Talks and who has access to more than Dan Gilbert!
Who cares if we got the 1st pick? There is no LeBron/Durant in this draft, which means we still need to not screw it up like, oh, less than 12 months ago.
You guys won a championship in 2004, how did that feel? I wouldn't know, because I've never seen a team win a championship in my lifetime, blow me.
do you have a favorite NBA team?
I just don't get why everyone is acting like this instantly vaults Cleveland into the playoffs. The organization is a complete disaster still, and they could still easily fuck this up. Dan Gilbert doesn't know how to do anything except set up a trashy casino, and throw money at the wall hoping that it sticks.
It's like there's a reason they've been in the lottery enough times to have three number one picks in four years.