Hopefully we don't mess up the number one pick. Trading Chauncey was the worst decision ever.
OT: The Pistons are TURRIBLE
Every decision from 2005 on has been the worst decision ever. Putting together the team that won the 2004 championship and got to the finals in 2005 was a total fluke.
Darko over Wade or Melo?
Don't forgot Bosch. He was available too.
and Wade wasn't under consideration and wasn't #2 on any draft boards.
You're under the impression that 34 year old, recently cut Chauncey Billups would be the difference between the worst roster in the NBA and the playoffs?
Trading Chauncey made a shit load of sense - they got a HUGE expiring contract so they could open up a ton of cash for free agency.
The stupid thing they did was give large contracts to Villanueva, Gordon, Rip, and Prince with the surplus cash.
Trading Chauncey was fine - what they did next is what destroyed them.
I'm not sure too many people on here really care about the NBA ... Don't get me wrong .. I like college basketball, but the NBA isn't quite what I call basketball. You may want to OT this thread ... it's just a tad Off Topic
Read the posting rules. The posting of topics about local pro sports teams is considered not OT.
You may want to read the FAQ:
- Anything Michigan sports related
- Anything related to other Big Ten teams or upcoming opponents
- Stuff about the blog itself
- University of Michigan topics that don't relate to sports
- College sports in general
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Where it says anything Michigan Sports Related ... it doesn't mean Pistons ... It means anything University of Michigan Sports Related
Pistons would fall under Pro Sports of any Variety -- Off Topic
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I'd actually never read the posting rules. Someone claimed it in a previous thread, and it sounded legit. The fact that you actually went and read them scares me just a tad.
I didn't go read them .. I have posted OT stuff plenty of times before without marking it OT, and got the hammer slammed down on me .. I learned it that way
There are two kinds of OT: the kind that is "anything other than Michigan sports," and the kind that is "shit you shouldn't post during the season." While OT in the traditional sense, local pro sports are (to an extent) postable during the season.
With that said, if we have to have a new thread every time the Pistons suck, we may fill up teh interwebs by February.
In my defense I guess, the over all topic of my thread, wa sthat we are going to be in contention for the 1st pick. I wouldn't post another thread in relation, until it was a certainty that they had a good shot on the night of the draft lottery.
I didn't go read them .. I have posted OT stuff plenty of times before without marking it OT, and got the hammer slammed down on me .. I learned it that way
Here ya go wresler120. Congrats, you've earned it. If you can't discern that "The Pistons are TURRIBLE" is an off-topic post about the Detroit Pistons, then, dag nabbit, you're right to attack!
I'd think a military guy would have more respect for rules than "meh."
It's a permissible post (though even that, I'm not sure Pistons sucking is news, but an interesting topic nonetheless), but definitely OT.
Not a whole lot of people post more useful and discussion creating topics than I do. I care a lot about the rules of the board, and always heed the ettiquite of the board. Go through the las several months, and I guarantee you no one has cared more about trying to keep the board going in dull times than I have.
Had a lot of good threads. Won't complain about the one that's about basketball on grass.
I feel that was wasted on this topic. Generally, you save something like that for someone who has threatened to fight someone.
and If you disagree, I will kung-fu chop you in the sternum!
I don't really try and tell people what to post (unless it's just flat out stupid, or was posted like 3 down). I value what others on this board think about non-Michigan topics. I don't even care that you thought it was ontopic. I just thought when the error made was correctly pointed out you were kind of dismissive about being wrong and made it sound like knowing and following the rules was some sort of obsessive geekiness. Maybe it was too subtle sarcasm, because it seemed out of character.
I like the topics you post, and wouldn't want you to stop. And it doesn't really bug me if they're mislabeled. Just when someone points it out, a little more mea culpa, or more obvious self-effacing.
Out of respect to you, and to the board, I will change this to OT.
In your first comment you told him to go read the posting rules...now you've never read them and they don't matter?
Maybe you should lose the hat?
I knew I missed a few things in my airing of the grievances. ::writes sysmark down for next years grievances.
Unlike him you will survive...and despite this little back and forth we will be happy and grateful for that
Things get blown way out of proportion way too often. I really appreciate your kind words though.
Don't get caught up taking this too seriously. It's a sports blog and should be fun.
Happy New Year!
How is the guy whose post is WRONG "highlighted" while the guy who is CORRECT gets downgraded to grey? I'm guessing I'll get downgraded to grey as well for pointing this travesty out, but that's just how some spiteful people work... Cheers!
Unibrow thread commence:
Hottest. Unibrow. EVER.
Pistons and the NBA suck! Full of over- paid no name assclowns and queens. They walk most of the game.
Ramon Sessions playing great for the cavs and leading them into a draft abyss.
As a Cavs fan I don't see that happening. Sessions is trade bait and you have to realize that these are the two worst teams in the East. The Cavs got beat by Toronto just two days before. My guess is the Cavs and Pistons will have an equal opportunity at the first pick.
I defended Joe D in an earlier thread, but boy was I wrong. Re-signing Stuckey to a 3-year deal is starting to look like an awful move. Where does this team go from here?
Starting? You need your eyes checked.
Go Cavs! Everybody ripped them for picking Tristin Thompson in the 4 slot but so far he looks like the real deal. High energy guy who plays defense and knows how finish. Kylie Irving will be tough too.
Thompson is not afraid to attack the rim. Also, Irving is in a nice situation with Sessions mentoring and tutoring him. After a 2nd quarter mishap, Sessions embraced Irving and "coached" him up. Hopefully the next few years Irving will be able to dominate as a floor general.
Kylie Irving? She sounds hot.
has been a pleasant surprise. I would like to see the cavs get a good 2 guard though.
Don't the Pistons have about a jillion 2 guards on the roster? Maybe we can pry loose one of theirs.
Can we get a special exemption to amnesty as many players as we want. Get rid of Stuckey and play Brandon Knight.
This team is awful. This makes me happy.
is Laimbeer when you need him.......?
what is Stuckey worth on the trade market? This team is terrible and might as well just build with Monroe and Knight. Andre Drummond or Perry Jones III wouldn't be bad picks either. I hate the NBA lottery though i just have that feeling we could get screwed like the Nets did.
They won't be looking to trade him this year. Luckily, it's a three year contract so his trade value should be increase in the next two years.
Stuckey's trade value should approach that of a Kleenex box by the time we get to the trade deadline in the final year of his contract. He is GARBAGE. The Piston's out bid Papa John's for his services...
And few years of high draft picks may be in their future. There's hope! 0 fer the season!
Has anyone ever noticed that Matt Barkley, and "Wayne" from the Wonder Years look exactly alike?
Here's hoping the RNG favors the Pistons in the upcoming lottery, and we draft a superstar.
Top 2 pick....hope Darko doesn't have a little brother.
Its more like “Turdible”.
Dumars has ran this team into the ground...
You guys could be Wizards fans like me :'(
Ah yes, where locker room disputes are resolved by "busting a cap"
"Zip em up."
I know, isn't it great? The cap is low, the talents young, the draft pick will be high, we can trade for whomever we want. We're going somewhere finally!
GUYS I'M A NOOB and can't create threads yet...
But Josh Garnett just put up on his twitter, "O yea forgot to tell everyone slippery rock is the 4th school on my list.
If this is worthy of a thread or note in a future recruiting update, please, by all means re-post it in a better spot. I just wanted to put it out there.
Obvious joke is obvious? (And therefore no need for a thread.)
It is professional basketball, what a joke.
So, obv., the Pistons are in a world of hurt. I don't know who you blame. Hopefully for the Pistons and for Detroit fans, the draft lottery goes well.
However, being a Bulls fan, I'm curious what those of you who are Pistons fans think of Rip Hamilton. He seems to have the potential to be a positive addition to Chicago's roster. Was he just jumping a sinking ship in Detroit? Did he cost too much? Is he coachable?
Rip's game is pretty one dimensional. Below average defender, can't shoot the three for shit, and has a tough time creating his own shot. But give him a pick to curl around and watch him knock down 17 footers all day
Yes, he jumped a sinking ship and who can blame him? For years Rip was thought to have the best mid-range shot in the NBA. He's a smart player, is effective in a half-court offense and is a willing passer. He's never been lock down defender but his length and motor made him more than servicable back when defense was the Pistons calling card. He was always quicker than Billups which would at times have him defending the opponent's PG. I'd still rather have him than Ben Gordon or Stuckey.
Rip isn't that good.
The Bulls needed a 2nd guy who can create his own shot, and Rip can't - he runs off screens, catches, and shoots. But not from 3.
That said, he's an improvement over Keith Bogans.
1) Wait for a post involving the NBA to appear on MGoBlog. 2) Express my disdain for the NBA, while making clear that I haven't watched it since the three point line was instituted and am only vaguely aware of what a basketball is. 3) Derp. 4) Return to huffing paint.
You can just moderate as "funny" rather than cluttering the board with your worthless posting.
While I find myself somehow excited that we could land one of the first three picks in the lottery, it is exceedingly painful that we have to play a whole (shortened) season to accomplish that. If memory serves, Vegas put the over/under on Pistons wins at a paltry 26, and having DVRed the game last night and then watching bits and pieces of it when I couldn't sleep in the wee hours, 26 seems like a monumental effort.
I'm hoping that we land Harrison Barnes in the draft.
I agree, however they need a superstar regardless of position. Harrison Barnes is that guy. They can find someone to rebound in free agency. Davis would be my second choice though.
save "point guard, maybe" there is nothing they don't need. Harrison Barnes would be fine - they need to be drafting best available at this point. A second post guy would be fine. A wing scorer would be fine.
I think that Knight, Daye and jerebko are good players to build your future around, and stuckey is a good bench player, and if you were to add a superstar/top 2 pick to that, they could be very good in the next couple years. Problem is, this is Joe D we are talking about. He is more likely to draft the next Darko than the next Melo.
when mgoblog had as much Pistons content and as any blog out there. Back when Brian started this thing he discussed the Pistons almost as much as he lamented the Jim Hermann defense and punting on 4th and 4 from the 38.
Seems like only yesterday... *reminisce*...
growing up. He's done a lot of good things as leader of the Pistons, but it's time for him to go. Signing Tay to another few years at $8M per year just hammered that home for me. Tay isn't worth $2M per year IMO. He was, but he isn't now. Time for the Pistons to move forward at the end of the year. Good bye Joe, thanks for your time.....Hello #1 draft pick. We need a bonafide scorer, because right now this offense is non-existant.
Who cares, move on.
I miss the old Pistons with the "Time to go to work" and the Mason intros and Big Ben and Mr Big Shot
I hope the Pistons make a comeback soon but it's highly unlikely
Those were the good days
Who thought they would be better than last year? Come on.
This team needs to be blown apart, with Joe Dumars. I love Joe D, but it is time for a change.
He continues to get a pass because of 2004, that was a fluke like an earlier poster said. It was just the right players at the right time. It's not like Ben Wallace, Chauncey Billups and Tayshaun Prince were supposed to be stars, top players, etc. The system, the chemistry and that time before these "super teams" all played a HUGE role.
Now don't get me wrong, those guys were good...REAL good! But that was 2004, we're now 7 years removed and Ben Wallace was still hanging around last year, Prince is still on the team, RIP just left and we're still talking about losing Chauncey.
There is NO ONE from that team that was worthy of being a key component of this team in 2011. Maybe Prince should still be, but he shouldn't be the focal point by ANY stretch. That team didn't have Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant, where those guys can still be the star on their teams 7 years later. That team was built on TEAM, not one or two players.
....so with that said. I think we need to blow up the whole thing. I'd keep Monroe, Knight and either Daye or Prince...EVERY other player needs to go.
Hell, I'd even try to dump Gordon and Villanueva + Stuckey and/or one other person for Dwight Howard and I'd even take back Hedo if I had to. I KNOW Dwight would NEVER resign...but that's fine. I just want to get right of those guys and start over. Dwight could play in Detroit for a year and go off and sign with whomever he wanted. I don't care.
What Detroit needs is a Drew Brees...a super star cast off that is going to embrace the city, take on the challenges and try to help it build from square one. A guy like Tim Duncan would've been that guy. Derrick Rose has that type of mentality for Chicago. Until we find that player, we're screwed.
I agree on Barnes and Davis, however, I'm not sure either will be available if we're sitting at #5, #6 or #7...
Another name I'd through out there is Jared Sullinger. I don't think he's going to be a super star, but I think he's going to fall somewhere between Kevin Love and Tyler Hansbrough. That's a legit NBA starter and I think he's closer to Love, maybe a David Lee on a good day.
Prince or Daye
...someone like a James Harden or Eric Gordon
...that's a realistic team, who's young and you can truly build off of. You get a top free agent center or SF in 2013 or 2014...or maybe you hit in the NBA Draft in 2013 or 2014 at those positions and you go from a team that's young and fun, to the REAL DEAL.
However, it all starts with getting rid of damn near everything on the team now. A DREAM scenario would be this: Trade the guys I said in the last post to Orlando for Dwight and Hedo. Let Dwight play out the year as a Piston, allow him to go wherever you want. But so he can get the max contract...do a sign and trade for him like the Heat did with LeBron and Bosh. That way Dwight gets his money and you get more draft picks.
Use the amnesty on Hedo, he's gone. And now you have cap space and draft picks.
they have nothing that could possibly get Dwight Howard.
And Sullinger - he's too short to play PF. I think the closest NBA facsimile is Dejuan Blair.
Sullinger doesn't have ideal height/length for a top-5 pick, but he's considerably longer than Blair -- most listings I've seen of Sullinger have him at a legit 6'9" with a wingspan just over 7". The comparison that comes to mind for me is a shorter-armed, maybe slightly more skilled version of Elton Brand. I don't think he'd ever have the sneaky shot blocking ability of Brand, but he's plenty big to be a decent rebounder and defender at the 4, and I think he could be a very effective scorer. Given his limited defensive ceiling, though, I'm not sure he'd be a great compliment to Greg Monroe.
a floor-bound 6'9" is dodgy at PF, though, especially on D.
I think he has a good stroke, and can play, but I'm unsure I'd even call him a lottery pick.
Beyond Elton Brand, Sullinger is as big or bigger and just as athletic as Zach Randolph, Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Luis Scola, David West, and a bunch of slightly lesser 4s like Big Baby and Brandon Bass.
None of the above are any more than passable defenders, and I don't think Sullinger will be either. And as I wrote above, I don't think he'd mesh well with Monroe on defense. That said, I would not be surprised at all if Sullinger becomes a frquent all star at the 4, and I think he's definitely a solid pick in the top half of the lottery.
I guess I don't see the athletcism of most of those guys - especially Milsap and Randolph. I see a refined offensive game more than I see sheer talent.
Yeah, that's my point. Skill can go a long way toward making up for average size and athleticism at power forward. I see Sullinger's upside as basically being a much more intelligent and less douchey version of Zach Randolph, and his injury-free downside as being a guy who can give you 15 and 8 but needs to be rotated off of taller posts and won't intimidate any shots. Size and athleticism limitations notwithstanding, that range of outcomes is definitely worthy of a lottery pick.
Royce White; if he can be motivated, that guy is the real deal. Alas I'm not sure he can be motivated. I'm going to be following Iowa State this year and see how White performs against teams like Kansas and Baylor. I think Iowa State will end up being a better win than Memphis for M hoops this season.
If 2004 was a fluke, what about the other years of the "6 straight eastern conference championships?" Were all of those flukes also?
Actually it was 6 straight eastern conference finals appearances. They only won the eastern conference twice.
we need John fuckin Sally.
Born and raised in the Detroit area during the 70's & 80's but living now in Cleveland (and being a Cavs season ticket holder for 15 years) I've seen great basketball and really crappy basketball. In the NBA these days you either need to be a destination city (and Detroit and Cleveland aren't) for free agents OR you need to draft well.
The general consenus by the experts this year was Irving was the real deal but that Tristin Thompson was a mega-stretch and the Cavs blew the 4th pick in the draft. The Cavs brain trust was just as adamant that they had targeted Thompson from the beginning and felt his upside was off the charts.
Now preseason and two games in I'd have to say the early reviews on TT are fantastic and way better than expectations. I'm hopefull we have 2 of the 5 pieces needed and at least one of these two guys turns into a superstart. If so we are on the road back from Lebronageddon.
The Pistons? They ARE Turrible and with the ridiculous contracts Dumars just gave out they have little hope of getting better anytime soon.
Piston roster is not that bad. They are only missing one thing; a superstar. Pistons are like the Tigers batting order if you excise Miguel Cabrera from the middle of the Tiger lineup, or the Cardinals sans Albert Pujols. Just like a lot of NBA teams, the Pistons need a straw to stir the drink
It has no direction, no chemisty, no anything. You put a superstar on this team and sure it's a lot better...but that's because of the way basketball is played in the NBA, not because you have a good TEAM.
Even LeBron James took one of the worst teams in the last 20 years of the NBA to the playoffs and deep into the playoffs a few years.
That's because in the NBA you can do that, Dwight Howard is doing it and has done it with the Magic.
But if you want a consistant championship TEAM you don't rely on that unless you can get 2-3 superstars. We can't. We have a much better chance trying to be the Thunder and finding a Kevin Durant to go along with a bunch of young talent that fit (minus Westbrook) than trying to get LeBron, DWade and Chris Bosh to come play with this piss poor squad we have.
Now we can get a star through the draft suck to get number one pick
There sucking for luck but it's the wrong sport