Good. These kids were being asses, and putting people in very uncomfortable situations. You never know how a mob is going to react/turn feral, so this is dangerous not only for the driver, but also the mob, as the driver can engage in vehicular self-defense if unnerved enough. "Just kids" is a stupid excuse for these sorts of idiotic displays.
OT: Pharaoh Brown suspended for his role in a snowball fight
running a person over for throwing a snowball at your car "vehicular self-defense."
i suppose different people will react to perceived threats in different ways, but to me, the amount of idiocy it takes to think it is appropriate to run someone over for standing in your way and throwing a snowball at your car is infinite magnitudes above the idiocy it takes to think it is ok to stand in front of a car and throw snowballs at it.
Ya some people can become unhinged or are just nuts. In a different thread someone posted the UT story of a trucker firing into a crowd and people dying bc of the ice packed into the snow.
The driver may fear it will turn into much more than snowballs. Someone opened the car door. If I were the driver I would have been scared.
Mob mentality can cause big problems. Remember the NYC Suv driver that was surrounded by bikers?
so that's not really related.
and in the whole SUV/biker fiasco (which was a little more of a dicey situation what with the family in the car and being more nervous and surrounded by a much more unpredictable mob), while it was totally instigated by a mob being 100% stupid and annoying human filth, it's still general wisdom that you respond to those situations calmly and let them have their moment of fun or whatever, and they'll leave you alone.
the driver got his ass beat not because the mob was initially in a violent mood, but because he decided to instigate the mob by running over the bikers.
so my view is, mobs are dumb, but people who mess with mobs are a different kind of dumb.
Well it wouldn't be the first time in this country that lethal action was used to defend oneself from a snowball-chucking mob: that's what sparked the Boston Massacre.
And then that damn gecko dropped his teabag into Boston Harbor and all hell broke loose.
I have taken people out for far less than a snowball.
Lol ya got me
Good one...He will always be a Michigan legend as the recruitment that created Hoke's famous "no visit" policy.
He didn't create it. He was simply the first one to test it.
He was probably the one with the big container of snow.
(not sure if sarcasm)
turned into this but I'm guessing it didn't help that the gentleman they were bullying was professor emeritus
I wonder what uniform they were wearing..
As you might have guessed, OregonLive is all over this story. For example -(HERE)
There were a couple players who were not there who did try to step up and represent the team. Per the above article, Marcus Mariota and Hroniss Grasu did take time to apologize for the behavior of their teammates on Sunday. Indeed, Grasu is quoted as saying:
"It's just unfortunate that there's tension with the football players, and students and the university and the teachers but I'm glad no one got hurt or there was serious damage," Grasu said.
This doesn't feel like an apology to me when referring to tension between the players/students and the university/teachers. It's like they are blaming the escalation of this event on the administration - not the actions of those involved. Weak.
and maybe will highlight the unreasonableness of the kids for people who have been completely blinded by the perceived vaginal juices of this pussified modern world.
imagine you're driving on greenwood before a home game. there are a couple of people tossing the football from sidewalk to sidewalk as people are apt to do during pregames.
as you're driving down the street, instead of pausing their game of toss for the 2 seconds it would take for you to drive past them, they instead intentionally beam your car with the football. then, they proceed to stand in front of your car and continuously beam the football at your grill.
it's not a huge deal i suppose, but there's no reason to defend assholes. i literally can't comprehend why you'd do that unless you're guilty of being an asshole yourself.
So then, you run them over with a car?
They also failed to cease when he made it clear that he wasn't happening.
You need to learn to respect other people's feelings, Joseph.
It's not like they white washed the guy or anything
Driving a car like that, he deserves to be punished.
You're right, it's just fucking snow. That's why he's only being suspended for a football game, and not being arrested. If i was that guy, I'd be mad as hell, but what are you going to do to a 6'7" college football player? Not every guy driving to work wants to hop out and join a student snowball fight.
Most people with the "lighten up" attitude are not part of the grown up society where a.) they have to go somewhere like work, or have life stresses where they can't/don't feel like getting out of the car to play in the snow; and b.) they actually empathize with someone who is a victim of the mob mentality.
How bout, the dude just did not want to participate? That should be enough in a civilized society.
I'm not sure that the "lighten up" crowd (which is fortunately small) is the one empathizing with the victims of the mob mentality. The lighten up crowd appears to be mostly comprised of morally bankrupt hypocrites who are remarkably silent when asked (repeatedly) if they'd be OK about having this happen to their elderly father but otherwise loud and proud in their willingness to defend asshattery.
As part of the 'lighten up' crowd, I am 46 and am a fully fledged working adult that runs a company in silicon valley.
if that professor just chills and smiles at the harmless, fluffy snow and waits a bit and drives on past....you have a congenial, fun, collegte prank-type situation where even a tiny bit of a sense of humor would serve people well in that situation. Absent that, even a small amount of tolerance and a shake of the head while you drive on through will get you past that whole situation.
I would totally be okay with that happening to my grandparents, mother, sister, etc. Most of the people in my family would have either laughyed and drove on through, or more likely exited the car wearing a huge smile and returning fire, so to speak, in a good natured way. Good snowball fights don't grow on trees, don't miss a one.
Mob? IMHO, a group of college students milling about just does not constitute a mob. No one is pegging cars with footballs, no one in that video is acting in a threatening manner nor are they intending to intimidate anyone. Jesus, people are acting like it is Watts during the riots and there are fires burning and gangs of violent looters roaming about trying to hurt people. It is a college campus on a snowy day where class was canceled....who gets all terrified in that situation of some harmless/fluffy snowballs? I'm willing to bet several other drivers laughed and went with the joke prior to this part of the incident.
Are the students blameless? No. They are old enough to be able to read people's cues and if someone driving through is not responding inj a humerous way, hold off for the next driver who gets it and let those that don't just pass on by. The bucket of snow into the car was a bit much also, that goes beyond common sense. 50% blame on the students for not being cognizant that not everyone shares the 19 year world view that everything is funny to everyone.
Is the professor blameless? No. He should be able to display even a small amount of tolerance and perhaps even a sense of humor and just let college kids be college kids and drive on through. If he really feels the need to throw a wet blanket on things, probably wiser not to immediately exit the car to do so. Were it me, I would proceed out of range, park the car and walk back 100 feet or so and then perhaps try to tell the kids to perhapps cool it or at least be a little selective in their targeting to not get people who don't seem receptive to being pegged by little fluffy bunny snowballs. Getting out of the car to do a 'get off my snow' thing is a 100% invitation to get a face full of fluffy snow. I laughed, especially when he goes up to the smallest, non-involved girl there and starts in on her, very brave. 50% on the professor.
The 'seriousness' being ascribed to the whole thing where we are reading about it/watching it on a Michigan football blog, with names attached to it and player suspensions being handed down, I think is wholly out of proportion to what actually occured. If I were king of the world, a simple, old-fashioned apology might be in order, where whatever students and the professor meet up, shake hands and the students/players say 'Hey, sorry, we got a little out of hand and didn't realize you were upset and took it too far.' The professor says try to think a little bit next time. Professor gets some sideline passes to a game or some other desirable something or other and all is good.
I know you're not really doing this, but no random citizen has the right to pelt me and my car with snowballs as I drive to work (or the store or the gym or a brothel).
Yes, life would be great if everyone who was wronged just smiled and said "Hey, let's hug it out." People aren't that way. They haven't been that way since the beginning of time; thus the justice system.
The guy supposedly isn't pressing charges. I don't expect him to be happy about being doused with snow, but he doesn't seem to be totally flipping out, either.
College kids are gonna be college kids, sure. But if college kids aren't held accountable for their college actions, then they're not really learning how to be adults. If kids are reprimanded, held out of football games, etc., then so be it. As of now, Pharaoh Brown isn't being sent to jail to get raped by a prison gang, so he can deal with it.
We just have a different definition of 'wronged'.......fluffy, kitty-balls lofted at my car on a snowy day doesn't equal 'wronged' to me. When I get older, I'm more of a 'hey kids, feel free to play on my lawn because it is just grass and that is what it is there for anyway' type of person. You will never catch me yelling at kids in general, much less to save a lawn, speaking metaphorically. This feels a lot like 'get off my lawn!'
I think a lot of people ARE 'that way'...I am. I don't take offense at every little thing in the world and try to live and let live and if there is some sort of situation that needs to be dealt with, you do so simply and without escalating out of proportion with whatever the grievance might have been. Of course, not everyone is like that, hence attributing 50% of the blame on the students for not being more selective and responding poorly to an older guy exiting his car.
Clearly there should have been better judgement on the part of the kids, but they are 19...kids. They do stuff like that sometimes. Some older people lose sight of the fact that these are kids and I think have a very different threshold for these kinds of hijinx, but they should also remember what it was like to be young....snowballs and poor judgement often ensue on a snowy day.
Suspensions? Seriousness and furrowed brows and calling it a 'mob', or assault, or an attack? I just disagree wholeheartedly with going there and making poor judgement in some way criminal necessitating missing a bowl game. I think a private apology to the professor, and a whole lot of private running of steps better serves the situation.
It's hard to claim an entirely private punishment is appropriate when you do something wrong and stupid in front of a lot of people. One of the lessons to be learned from stupidity is that if you do it publicly, expect to have the consequences (at least somewhat) publicized too. Goes hand in hand with the punishment.
and a cigarette
[pack, pack, pack, shape, shape, pack, shape] aaaaaand FIRE!
BOOM!, consider yourself snowballed byatch ;)
I wish you would stop using trivializing words, like, "some snow throwing" to make it sound like you're being ever so reasonable. Yes, I'd be OK with Gardner missing the Game if he did what Pharaoh Brown did.
The fact that you can't figure out the difference between consent and lack of consent is troubling. It's a very simple concept.
Dude was 68.
Im sorry, but there is no way anyone can defend the students. They were complete jackasses.
They stopped his car.
Why let facts get in the way of your narrative?
He can't keep driving at 5mph. The kid doesn't have to move. Have you heard of Tiananmen Square?
And then when they don't move as you're creeping forward or trip in the snow trying to get out of the way it's your fault for running them over.
This should be a question on every drivers license exam.
"You've stopped your car on a side street. A kid stands a few feet in front of your car and lobs snowballs at your windshield. What do you do?
A. Wait for him to move out of the way.
B. Step out of the car and ask him to move out of the way.
C. Step on the gas. He'll move."
If you intentionally hit someone with your car its called "assault with a deadly weapon."
that is also true if you toss a few fluffy/light/powdery snowballs at a vehicle
Simmons figured students would cease fire if he stepped out of the car and they saw a 68-year old retiree standing in front of them.
“I just decided maybe if I get out, they’ll see that I’m 60 years old and I’m a human being,” Simmons said.
The moment he opened his car door, Oregon tight end Pharaoh Brown tossed a bucket-full of snow into Simmons’ face.
Are you fucking stupid or something? Do you want a bucket full of snow tossed into your car when you're driving to work? Or as this former professor was, to DONATE artwork to the school? They were pegging the snowballs at the windows pretty hard as well. I hope your father is treated this way someday, maybe you'll learn some empathy.
He didnt have to get out of the car, but he did. So it is HIS fault for the behavior of the jackasses? They should be held to a higher standard than a 12 year old.
When I was a kid, we pelted cars with snowballs, and when one would pull over we ran our asses off to not get caught. I think I was in 6th grade and I knew it was not ok. But when you are a football player at a major program, you think you can do what you want. That was not just guys having fun. They are adults, or close enough to it to evaluate right from wrong.
It's still bullying.
Most intentionally obtuse response ever?
Dude. I think this country is getting soft as hell as well, but these kids went wayyyyyyy over the line.
Getting hit with a hard packed snowball is like getting hit with a rock. I've been covered with bruises after snowball fights in the Arb and have seen my fair share of black eyes and bloody noses too. Give it up. The students were being assholes.
But it looks so soft and fluffy.
Next time someone's sees you, let's have them continuously dump snow on your head even after you tell them to stop. Let's see how it goes for you
or at least over 24 with a big boy job.
May as well give it up. You are talking to people who have been told their entire lives they are victims of something. You could hit them with a pillow and they'd call the police for assault. Just that kind of people.
I'm gonna be nice and say you should not comment further in this thread
Grow. The fuck. Up.
I find it funny you're chastising someone for being an internet tough guy while you're defending these Oregon players actions on the internet, and just said you'd throw snow balls at all of us
Says the guy who just told us he was going to throw snowballs at us. Or the guy who thinks it's cool to throw snowballs at senior citizens.
The problem isn't so much a difference of opinion as it is you have demonstrated a neanderthal attitude this whole time and have been wholly misinformed on basic facts.
Jesus you are a moron. It's a 68 year old man. How are they analogous?
...in the old days, trolls who spouted defenseless nonsense for entire threads were tough enough to either shut up or take it like a man.
Wow. It's the fucking Internet. It's not like they physically assaulted you. Clearly there is a discussion going on, what do you expect driving right through it? People are so temperamental. #LightenUpFrancis
I find it utterly hilarious that you're whining about being the victim of a herd mentality after taking the side of the herd. How funny. Maybe it's not so exciting having a mob gang up on you after all. And these are just words on a screen; I'd hate to see how your thin-skinned ass would respond if you were the guy in the car.
[insert man clapping gif here]
But you're certainly being a puss about being in the minority in an Internet discussion. The overwhelming opinion is you're wrong (and it has nothing to do with communism) and you don't seem to be taking it all that well.
Aww man, sweet avatar.
I think you're cool cuz you have a hot chick avatar.
Good on the coach. Round of applause on this one
If only he went to Michigan, he would have been able to help West Quad
I genuinely felt bad for the guy getting hit in the face.
even if they said it was just "Oregon Yellow".
College kids throw snowballs. Go figure. So, just because a few people didn't have a sense of humor, what used to be a standard on every snowy campus in the US has been escalated by the media into an "incident."
I wasn't aware that pouring buckets of snow on 68 year old men was a "standard on every snowy campus in the US."
I guess I've really been missing out these past 4 years, gotta go find some senior citizens to pour snow on before I graduate.
Gotta love the political correctness here by evrryone calling it a mob mentality, when anyone truthful knows that it was a bunch of matriarchs with no code.
neighborhood, rather than on a college campus, would it change anyone's opinion?
They first stepped directly in front of it and then made sure that he couldn't see through the windshield. I don't see how to continue to drive was a good option. At the very least, it stood a real chance of escalating the situation.