OT: Peyton Manning Played With a Torn Quad

Submitted by MGoVoldemort on
@AdamSchefter: Broncos QB Peyton Manning played Sunday’s Divisional Playoff loss and the past month of the season with a torn right quad, per two sources. Having torn my own quad before, and barely being able to walk, I can't even begin to fathom how he played the last 4 games. I'm not here to debate where he stands in the history of the game, or whether or not he's still got it, I'm only going to say that he earned a tremendous amount of respect and admiration from me for going out there and playing with such a terrible injury. Whether or not he should've been playing is certainly open for debate.
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boliver46

January 12th, 2015 at 11:27 AM ^

I tore BOTH quads the week of our rivalry game.  Electrostim, Ice/heat alternating, steroids (not those steroids) and serious inflammatories got me through...but that was one game and one week.

Can't say whether or not he should've been playing - I won't question his heart though.  

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Gucci Mane

January 12th, 2015 at 11:29 AM ^

As long as he could move and it wasn't going to cause severe permanent injury, i see no reason why he wouldnt be out there. Im guessing this "tear" was not very severe.

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NRK

January 12th, 2015 at 1:10 PM ^

It was. Go look at NFL injury reports for the past month (http://www.nfl.com/injuries). You don't need to say "torn (muscle)" but you need to give estimation, practice pariticpaton, and general area of injury.

Manning's past month on injury reports:

Division: Probable, thigh, full participant

WC: (bye, none submitted)

Week 17: Probable, thigh, full participant

Week 16: Questionable, thigh, limited participant

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JimmyJuans

January 12th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^

Maybe someone with more knowledge of sports medicine can answer this, but why didn't he sit the last month of the season? Or at least the last couple weeks. I believe they clinched pretty early.

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superstringer

January 12th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^

It was obvious he was hurt for the past month.  I had no idea what the injury was, but he wasn't the same 'ol guy.  And it wasn't the onset of age, I mean, the deterioration the last month was dramatic.  I think that game was the only one I picked correctly this weekend (YET AGAIN), and for me, it was just clear Manning wasn't Manning so the Colts were kind of the obvious choice.

Does this suggest a violation of the NFL injury-reporting rules?  I thought this stuff had to be disclosed.

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Get Jim Harbaugh

January 12th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^

Ira Weintraub sure does hate Peyton and I just don't get it. He keeps calling him the greatest regular season QB ever. Well, from a pure skill standpoint, Peyton is in the top ten of all time. He is only one man and cannot win games by himself. I still think Brady is a better overall QB, but that might be the bias in my saying that.

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Farnn

January 12th, 2015 at 11:37 AM ^

I don't quite understand the obsession everyone has with post season stats and titles in a team game.  In todays world of advanced stats and data why does a win in the playoffs mean more than a win in the regular season?  Why does being able to win 3 or 4 in a row at the end of the season mean more than winning 13 of your previous 16 games?

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Magnus

January 12th, 2015 at 12:16 PM ^

Personally, I think the thing that removes Marino from the argument is not only his lack of playoff success, but also his stats. He threw lots and lots of interceptions, and his completion percentage is tied for #44 all-time with the legendary Jake Delhomme.

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BigCat14

January 12th, 2015 at 12:48 PM ^

In one sense our society wants everybody who participates to receive a reward, get playing time, play first chair, etc.  In the other you are only good enough if you were a part of or led your team to the ultimate championships.  One can be objective and include Marino as the greatest (one of the greatest) if they want to.  Does it matter a whole lot what the media and so called NFL gurus say compared to your thoughts?  If you think Marino was one of the GOATs and you argue objectively and factually well, than he is or isn't.  

This is obviously a very debatable convesation.  My point is that anyone can be objectively debated as to their place in history regardless of Ultimate Championships.  

Go Blue!

 

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Blue Mike

January 12th, 2015 at 1:17 PM ^

Because winning in the postseason is harder than winning in the regular season.  Manning gets Oakland, SD, and KC twice a year now, after years of feasting off of Jacksonville, Houston (before they were any good) and Tennessee.  Should we be more impressed with stats compiled against the bottom-feeders of the NFL, or how he performs against the best teams in the league?

People care about playoff performance because if you're supposed to be the "greatest QB of all time," you better be able to play well and win a game against the best in the league when it matters.

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Maize and Blue…

January 12th, 2015 at 12:06 PM ^

102 games above 500 even with his 3-13 rookie year, but has a losing record in the playoffs.  More one and dones than any QB in NFL history despite usually having a bye and being favored.  YPA goes down and TD to INT is worse in the playoffs.  Throw in the fact that Tennessee won the NC with Tee Martin at QB the year after Peyton left and he is not exactly Mr. Clutch.

As far as the one man thing. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edge that is four HOFers. Now at Denver he has one of the top if not the best WR corps in the league.

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Gr1mlock

January 12th, 2015 at 12:49 PM ^

Ryan Leaf had a hell of an arm, and Jamarcus Russell was a big, strong dude.  You can't evaluate someone only on skill set, you have to look at the total picture, and part of that picture is "do you help the team win" (assuming you think the goal of a professional athlete is to win their respective championship, not to get the best stats possible).  Nobody is saying Peyton sucks by any means, but a lot of what a quarterback is drafted for is to win games, and more importantly win titles.  Why do you think so many people are down on Cutler and high on Flacco, despite Cutler's clear skill set superiority?  Because Flacco finds ways to win, and Cutler finds ways to derp the game away.  To do another sports comparison, Peyton is ARod (without the juice): great stats, great regular season performer, but tends to come up small in the playoffs.  Nobody's going to argue they're not two all time greats (ARod roid issues aside), but I think they both have trouble coming out as best ever due to their tendencies to suck when it matters most.  

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HANCOCK

January 12th, 2015 at 2:04 PM ^

Advanced statistics dont really account for the level of competition the player is facing. Peyton plays weak divisional opponents (he has his whole career), which usually leads to him posting ridiculous stats against poor defenses and then looking rather ordinary against playoff caliber teams. 

 

In fact, most "elite" QBs who pass for ridiculous numbers during the regular season, end up looking rather ordinary come playoff time. 

As the saying goes, defense wins championships. 

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Yeoman

January 12th, 2015 at 7:23 PM ^

Fremeau's DYAR is schedule-adjusted yards-above-replacement, so it gives us a chance to see how much of a difference this actually makes.

On the left is Manning's rank in DYAR for each season, on the right is his rank in the equivalent, non-schedule-adjusted YAR:

DYAR season YAR
3 2014 3
1 2013 1
2 2012 1
x 2011 x
3 2010 3
3 2009 1
2 2008 2
2 2007 2
1 2006 1
1 2005 1
1 2004 1
1 2003 1
4 2002 5
6 2001 6
1 2000 1
2 1999 2
12 1998 13

That's a hell of a career no matter which column you look at.

And unlike college, SOS is apparently a pretty marginal effect in the NFL. In 12 of his 16 seasons his ranking was the same whether you adjust or not. Twice he was bumped up by a weaker schedule, twice he was bumped down by a stronger schedule, and the movement was never more than two slots.

 

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Bill the Butcher

January 12th, 2015 at 12:10 PM ^

But then there is that whole defense thing.  The one year Indy's D played well they won the super bowl.  Also didn't the Indy kicker completely bomb a field goal to lose a playoff game against the Steelers?

If you want to know the importance of a defense look no further than Brady not having won a superbowl after the pats D took a hit with retirements.  I mean in both the games against the Giants the Patriots D collapsed to give up the lead at the end.  

I'm not saying Peyton doesn't deserve criticism for his performance in the playoffs, but I think its a more complex issue than "he sucks when it matters"

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funkywolve

January 12th, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^

I'm not sure how much of those 2 Super Bowl losses you pin on the Patriots defense.  Yeah, they gave up late TD's, but the Giants only scored 21 and 17 points in those games. 

The 17 points the Giants scored is the only time since SB 9 that the winning team hasn't scored at least 20 points.  The Patriots offense was an absolute machine that year until the Super Bowl.  The Super Bowl was the only time they didn't score at least 20 points.

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jmdblue

January 12th, 2015 at 11:31 AM ^

Cool story bro moment..... I competed against Torin Dorn (UNC, Oakand Raiders) in a 200 meter race in HS.  He was already about 15 yards ahead of me halfway through the curve when he blew up his quad.  By far the most intimidating injury I've seen in person and not unlike famous fractures we've all seen on TV......

Note:  my apologies to anyone who has seen combat.  This must seem mighty milqetoasty.

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BigBlue02

January 12th, 2015 at 2:35 PM ^

My cool story bro-Charles Rogers owes me 5 dollars. I sat next to him in the front row of a WWE event at JLA. We were betting on wrestling matches. We bonded because we were both wearing jorts. Unfortunately for him, he was serious about them for his outfit and I was wearing them along with a jean jacket and I shaved my beard into a trash stash.

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JTownMaize

January 12th, 2015 at 11:31 AM ^

Obviously Peyton wasn't truly helping his team and struggled throwing the ball. I realize he's the leader of the Broncos, but at some point he needs to realize he's not helping his team out the way he usually does and needs to let the backup QB figure stuff out at least for a drive or two.

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MGoStu

January 12th, 2015 at 12:20 PM ^

You don't see that much from high level athletes. They all think they can play hurt. In Peyton's case, injured he's probably still better than the backup. And if he'd sat we'd get an entire offseason of idiots on the internets saying he has no heart because he didn't play injured.

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