Guess you shouldn't ride motorcycles with alleged mistresses.
He turned that program around, but his motorcycle accident and the allegations were too much. Happy Trails to Petrino
Guess you shouldn't ride motorcycles with alleged mistresses.
He turned that program around, but his motorcycle accident and the allegations were too much. Happy Trails to Petrino
And don't try to cover it up by using a State Trooper
...but I don't know if my life is ever going to allow me to put these important lessons to use.
And don't hire your mistress. Employers get steamed over that.
That's asking too much.
Or at least don't crash if you are
Maybe he was banging Petrino too. It's gotta be hard to fire a lover.
Don't give the slut 20K!!!!!!!
Well I must say that this has to be one of the few times a team from the SEC took the moral higher ground.
AD Jeff Long is a man of character. He spent some time here as a GA back when I was in school. Doesn't surprise me he'd make the tough, yet proper, decision.
an assistant AD, both for Bo. So, there's that.
Yeah. In a culture all about making money, it is not often you see a person in charge make a decision such as this. Petrino was winning football games and in almost all other situations, that triumphs pretty much everything else.
I know I'm going to get trashed for this, but the Big Ten has no moral high ground on inaction after scandals of this (or higher) magnitude. You can thank Penn State for that, with a dash of OSU for flavor.
It is not that I think other conferences such as the Big 10 are free from scandal. I believe the last year has proven this point. If you make a mistake in the Big 10 vs. the SEC, the chances of receiving a significant punishment for the offense just seems to be much more likely in the Big 10.
I thought Penn State handled their situation about as well as they could have. Once their scandal surfaced they didn't really fuck around. Ohio State on the other hand, can't say the same for them.
WTF?!?!? No, they didn't handle that situation "about as well as they could have". That's the whole point. The inaction of Paterno, Schultz, Curley, and Spanier after learning that they had a potential child rapist in their midst is exactly the reason why that situation became such a huge scandal. Not until the Board of Trustees stepped in did someone in a position of authority at PSU actually do the right thing and halt the staggering breakdown of leadership within the administration. And by that time, the damage had been done.
I guess the Board of Trustees and their actions were what I was referring to. I don't condone covering up for a child molestor at all and I was sickened by the entire story, for the record.
The line "once the scandal surfaced" makes it appear as though once the grown-ups found out they cleaned house. A graduate assistant, head coach, athletic director, the president of the university and others all had prior knowledge and did nothing for years. The only reason Penn State was forced to act was because law enforcement moved in and indicted Sandusky. Now, once that happened, they moved quickly, but if an indictment hadn't happened do you really think PSU would have done anything?
On the very inside, yes, everybody handled it poorly. It's been a while, but if I'm not mistaken, and I very well may be, the only people who knew about it were that grad assistant, his father, JoePa, and the police; all of whom did relatively nothing. Once it was out in the open, it took the University 4 days to fire an iconic coach and face of their entire university despite knowing they would get a ton of backlash from irrational fans and students. I don't know exactly what happened in that case or everybody who knew for that matter, but firing Paterno was a ballsy move on their part. They made the right decision, but it was ballsy.
I hate to keep going back to this scandal, but one thing I'm always struck by that others don't seem to be as offended by. Of the four entities listed above, which one is the most responsible to catching criminals and pursuing justice, an 80+ year old senile senior citizen, a mid-twenties underling, said underling's dad, or THE POLICE? I feel like that is the most offensive part of the entire saga, the complete and utter ineptness of the police force in charge of the investigation.
investigated in '98. I suppose you can try to convince me the administration didn't know.
except for the whole 13-year coverup at PSU.
You've got to be shitting me. The cover up by Penn State was astonishing. Once the scandal surfaced Graham Spanier told everyone everything was super peachy and everyone in the athletic department was super awesome.
Comparing it to some random football related crap at OSU is pure homerism. What happened at PSU is truly sickening.
The difference between Moeller and Petrino is that Moeller had no history of sleazyness or unethical conduct when he had his fateful meltdown in '95. Petrino had an illustrious track record of being a snake when Arkansas hired him.
SB Nation is reporting that Petrino was fired because he wouldn't agree to penalties that the school was going to impose.
cant wait to look up some TWIS-worthy schadenfreude on the Arkansas boards tonight!
I'm kind of conflicted on this. I'm not surprised that he was fired based on the nature of his offense, but I am surprised he was fired because Arkansas is in the SEC, where indiscretions don't seem to matter
I think the hiring his mistress bit may have been the proverbial straw that broke the Hogs back.
he can get a job with the NO Saints now. He'll fit right in.
It would complete the circle. He used Atlanta to go to a higher profile college now. Except he wouldn't be stepping up in college, he'd be stepping back down. At least if he goes to NO he wouldn't have to leave notes on the players lockers to let them know he's leaving after a year.
if Ozzie Guillen is spared in Miami.
Ozzie guillen thinks this is bull shit! Bobby petrino is a decent man
Back to mediocrity for Arkansas.
In today's USA Today sports section, there was a picture of a guy protesting with a sign that said "What's wrong with scoring in the offseason?" I lold.
But I really couldn't see how you could go on with him as the coach. Would the athletic department be able to go on with Petrino, his mistress, and her fiance all under the same roof? Would keeping Petrino have meant somehow buying off both the mistress and her fiance? In buying them off would you effectively throw them under the bus for what happened?
I figured the AD would take more time to work through everything, but I couldn't see a reasonable avenue to go forward with Petrino as coach.
So Todd Graham takes the job by the end of the month?
I must admit this gave me a good laugh. I would upvote you if I could! Imaginary +1 to you!
One less dirtbag in the ESSSSSSSSEEEEEEEESEEEEEEEEE and college football.
Wow. The football fan in me is saying, "Why the holy hell would you get rid of a guy who turned your team into a perennial national competitor for something that wasn't even any sort of football violation!!!"
The rational human being in me is saying, "Kudos to Arkansas for choosing character and morals over wins."
I am shocked. Never even thought that him getting fired was a possibility. The class of the SEC is in Arkansas. Let that sink in for a minute.
Vanderbilt isn't even in the SEC.
[performs quick Google search]
Does anyone even consider Vanderbilt part of the SEC? They are a good academic school that happens to have a football team and that team is curb stomped yearly by guys who are semi-literate.
Vanderbilt is pretty much an implicit exception in any discussion about the sleaziness of the SEC. The sole purpose of their membership is to give the conference a semblance of academic respectability.
(Sorry. Did not read down far enough. But what took so long for the connection?)
The guy went to a BCS bowl at Arkansas and won one at Louisville. It will be interesting to see what kind of schools are willing to go after him and if so how long they will wait for him to rehab his image or for people to forget about this story before they make a move.
If some AD is willing to take the PR hit his school is probably going to win a lot of football games. Just wonder if it will be at a name program or if he'll have to wait around like Mike Leach did for a second tier job.
He will be the next head coach at ND. Book it
ND is not smart enough to ever make that kind of move. They are all about backlash against the last coach. When they axe that big meanie Brian Kelly they will hire Dan Hawkins to bring in the drum circles and chillax his way to yet another string of 7-5 seasons.
I'm guessing he cools his heels for a year and then resurfaces at a lower level school, like Leach at Wazzu or Mike Price at UTEP.
Between the thing with the Falcons and this he's going to be toxic for a little while.
he ends up at the Big East. A minor league conference desperately trying to remain relevent. I could see him at one of the 16 or 24 or however many schools they're up to these days.
Ok, I'm good now.
I getted me colklege decree frum Arkansaw and em iz glad their made them desision
For once, an SEC team did the right thing. Arkansas gained some respect in my mind.
Vanderbilt has been doing the right thing for years.
Vanderbilt is to the SEC as Northwestern is to the Big Ten.
Yes, they're technically a part of the conference, but except for geographic reasons, no one is really sure why...
I don't think the sleaziness gap between Northwestern and the rest of the Big Ten is nearly as big as the sleaziness gap between Vanderbilt and the rest of the SEC. Vandy doesn't even have an athletic department. They abolished it and brought their sports programs under the oversight of the university's general administration precisely because they didn't want to it to run amok the way the rest of the SEC has.
Wait for the irony train to hit you...
...Gordon Gee was Vanderbilt's president when they instituted those reforms.
Indeed he was. This is an op-ed he wrote when he undertook that bold move:
He must have been relieved that Vandy's football coach didn't fire him over it.
In fairness to Vandy though, the fact that they haven't reestablished the AD in the 5 years since Gee left indicates that Vandy's current administration might be genuinely committed to the ideals that Gee preached (but probably didn't believe in).
I wonder what will happen to the chick? Obviously, her skills extend beyond the office, but I wonder how skilled she actually is IN the office. I doubt she was going over to Petrino's house to go over compliance forms or discuss game strategy, so does Arkansas have to keep her onboard simply to avoid a wrongful termination/sexual misconduct lawsuit (even if she was just as guilty as Petrino... she's almost married.. PS - sucks to be that dude, got beat out by a fat 50 year old who still uses a motorcycle to pick up girls) Doesn't her fiancee also work in the Athletic Department?
He definitely isn't as lucky as the last guy from Arkansas who got caught stuffing his much-younger employee and then got caught lying about it. Hell, I'm just glad America is holding its' college football coaches to a higher standard than our elected officials, makes me confident in the system.
Loving the fireworks.
I'm going to assume that he'll be fired for cause. He had 5 years and $18 million left on his contract.
And will likely get divorced, with his ex taking half of his assets.
That's one expensive motorcycle crash.
He's without a doubt going to be fired with cause, thanks to the "morals clause" that's built into his contract. I'd also probably add in the slight chance of some asinine civil suit by his lady friend and/or her (ex?) fiance as another possible hit to his bank account...
I thought of that too. He came pretty close, but yeah, I guess a man just can't have a midlife crisis like he used to could.
That was a comment a specific Southern politician made to the local press once, a few days before an election. He commented that he was sure to win unless he was caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, thus the political term of a politician being in "dead girl/live boy" territory.
So it wasn't a saying intended broadly for all Southerners in positions of power.
Edwin Edwards. King of Louisiana. And still fairly fresh out of prison.
Karma is a bitch. Sad thing, someone will hire him again.
It's not the cheating (or the banging) that got Petrino fired.
It's the hiring of a girl you are cheating/banging onto your staff as a subordinate (thus opening the AD up to sexual harassment charges with associated liability) and lying to your boss about it.
But hiring a recruits gf is some how not a voilation
Are you Skip Bayless? I disagree with literally everything you say in every thread. Not ripping on you (Hell, I could be right in half of the arguments and you could be wrong in the other half), but just interesting that we never follow the same train of thought. ^^^^ The lying plus the "bailing on an NFL job during the season" part isn't a great testament to his moral fiber and character. Oh, plus the fact that he obviously doesn't give half a shit about his family.
I like your analogy. However, to play devil's advocate, Stephen Hawkins is mostly representing himeself as a physicist, not an entire university (yeah yeah, I know he's some sort of professor or director at Cambridge or something), and is also not entrusted by parents to look after their sons as they turn into men. Science is just that; cold, emotionless science. Football is pretty intensely emotional with less room for moral shortcomings.
Also, divorce and staring at some boobies from a distance is much different than lying about an affair...with a young lady you suspiciously just hired.
at Cambridge. It's the most prestigious academic position in the world. He's not only the face of the university, but also became the same for science overall.
It's a shit-ton more important than being a coach at Arkansas.
What the hell does job importance have to do with it? Pre-school teacher is fairly unimportant compared to both aforementioned jobs, but if parents and the school district found out a pre school teacher was frequenting sex clubs and/or lying about having an affair with a much younger woman he just hired as an assistant, he'd need a miracle to save his job.
In the post I'm replying to, you're arguing that 1) Hawking represents himself, rather than an entire university, 2) Hawking is not entrusted with young people/men.
Both are untrue. Hawking represents Cambridge, a more prestigioius university, and in a position more globally representative than Petrino. He is also a professor, teaching young people.
I think the two situations are quite a bit different. In one situation, the man is bigger than the university. People who aren't physicists know who Hawking is. People around the world know who he is. Heck, I read A Brief History of Time in high school for fun. When people think Stephen Hawking, their first thought isn't Cambridge. It wasn't until someone mentioned here that I even remembered that fact. People know him for his accomplishments, his theories, his books and also ALS. Or they may know him as the really smart dude in the wheelchair that speaks via computer on tBBT, Star Trek or The Simpsons. Stephen Hawking would still be Hawking with or without the position at Cambridge (he stepped down in 2009). And while Hawking did have to teach students physics (or whatever his interactions with students involved), that was the sole purpose. He didn't actively recruit those students. He just has to deal with them if they had problems with certain concepts. He could have a million divorces and sleep on a bed of naked women breasts. None of that really matters because of the respect or awe or whatever his name already invokes in both the academic community and globally.
In the other situation, the university is bigger than the man. Before this came up, any association you'd make with Petrino would be Razorback football (unless you're a jilted fan of another fan base). Everything he did would essentially be a reflection of UoA and the type of people they hired. Petrino may be great as a college football coach, but his other main responsibility was to help 17-18 year olds mature into men. (And I've felt that way since before Hoke). Petrino went to the homes of these kids and made promises to their parents. He was going to be one of their mentors and a role model and get them drafted. Parents had to put a lot of trust into the moral integrity of the man that they were sending their kids to. He failed miserably in that department.And because he was just a face of the university, he was canned.
"Hell, I could be right in half of the arguments and you could be wrong in the other half."
I see what you did there.
Gee, if you can't hire your elleged mistress, what's the freaking point of making 3.5 million dollars a year?
On the other hand, if you're making 3.5 million dollars a year, you're supposed to be smart enough not to cause one of these little scandals...
So that you don't have to hire her and can pay for her out of pocket.
You shouldn't have to also find the gal a job. Especially when she looks like this fella:
I know you are referring to that ugly head shot of her, kind of resembles a licence branch photo if you ask me. Not that it matters, but there are better shots of her that don't make her look like a McDonald's spokesman.
Hell, she probably caused the accident, dragging one of those 5-inch heels on the pavement because she couldn't get her knees any higher.
She may have other positive qualities.
. . . like being a Superfreak.
She is a very attractive young lady. This is not a Bill/Monica, Arnold/whoever the hell that was situation IMO.
He probably would have kept his job if the following hadn't happened:
Banging a Univ employee
Banging the fiance of another university emp.
Give a job on your staff to the girl you are banging.
If he just had an old fasioned affair with someone not associated with the University, he would have kept his job.
This is proof of that. I'd bet Petrino could have survived the crash and the Mistress thing if the Mistress didn't also work for the school. The supervisor proking his underling is always a major concern for any HR department. Motorcycle wreck and a mistress (who doesn't work for Arkansas) isn't a concern for the school. Mistress who works for the school and the can of sexual harassment worms it opens up is a huge concern. Also anyone she passed over for promotion can sue claiming she only got the job due to sleeping with Petrino. That's a liability any businessman wants to jettison.
Moral of the story, have a rich booster give your mistress a cake job on the down low. Don't try to make your AD cover your cheating, because Risk Management will advocate firing your ass if you do.
Wow I'm actually shocked. I thought that he would be just suspended, but I think it is a personal issue that should be handled by his family.
Is always bigger than the scandal.
What recruits leave is my question... Really don't care about some dbag making a dbag move.
Anyone else frustrated that these mistresses are always kinda... "meh" looking? I mean, Spitzer is the only high-profile guy in recent memory who was actually chasing some FINE tail.
Scwarzenegger's girl was gnarly, Lewinsky... goooooo. Seriously, these would be much better stories if the girls were smokeshows. Pick up your game "guys-in-high-profile-positions-with-low-morals-and-even-lower-sexual-standards"!
Is it actually chasing if she's a hooker?
Depends on the scenario.
The head coach HAS to set the example. You're only as good as your leadership. If he can't lead, remove him. Simple.
Too bad we're playing Alabama instead of Arkansas to start off the season.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
Dorial Green-Beckham is breathing a sigh of relief.
Wow. The SEC showing some accountability. This is new.
An SEC school making an ethical decision. I am shocked. You can't really argue against the firing. How many jobs can you blatently lie to your boss and keep your job? Not to mention you are supposed to be a leader and mentor of young men. You get caught lying to your boss, and cheating on your wife. What kind of example is that for young men? If he's an NFL coach its a different story, but I would LOVE to hear a good counter arguement on why he should keep his job.
I didn't know Bobby Petrino and Urban Meyer (allegedly) had the same hobby
Does anybody else forsee the term "Petrino'd" becoming a euphemism for a married man getting busted cheating on his wife with somebody from the office and totally tanking his career? Sort of like the term "Moeller'd" meant getting so wasted you couldn't function on any level?
"Hey dude...did you hear bout Cravens in Accounting?"
"Yeah I heard he got totally Petrino'd by the old lady. She called his boss after finding out about him and Alicia in payables and they took him out that afternoon."
I was Tresseling to my wife about the patrinoing I was having.
1) don't cheat on your wife
2) don't hire the 20-something you're banging on the side
3) don't try to cover it up with a trooper's help and lie to your boss about it
4) don't ride a motorcycle. like, ever.
I'll bet I could make any of 1-3 work in a pinch if I had to, but you'll never catch me on one of those deathtraps. I guess I'm just not a risk-taker.
Maybe there is no moral; it's just a bunch of stuff that happened.
This one's for you, Bobby: http://www.box.com/s/3eb3d3dd2f4c776abf4b
Shouldn't the replacement for his job be the pin cushion's [ex?]-fiance? It would be just.
the cbs sportsline poll showing a plurality believe Guillen had every right to speak his mind. . . highly unusual day for peace, justice, and the American way o' life.
...that BOBBY PETRINO KILLED 4 CAREERS WHILE EMPLOYED AT ARKANSAS?
Somewhere, Tommy Tuberville is laughing his ass off.
Well it looks like that young lady just rode the wrong hog at the wrong time.
overtime here, maybe going through the riot drills.
Luckily, Little Rock will look the same post-riot.
Also, Little Rock is about 3-4 hours from Fayetteville where U of A is.
/never driving through Arkansas again
I tell you!
If the two of them had just stuck to holding hams, maybe the media wouldn't have squealed.
Holding hams is illegal in 43 states, due to anti-bestiality laws.
Yeah, but this is Arkansas.
ESPN also reports that Dorrell had recently received a $20,000 check from Petrino. No further explanation. What a dirtbag.
I am going to assume that this was not intended to help her purchase the inordinate number of items in her Target registry.
I am glad to see that Arkansas went the "character" route here. There's no feasible way that they could keep Petrino, given the circumstances, and appear trustworthy or credible as an institution (insert poetic SEC irony here). When it came down to preserving institutional values, Jeff Long made the right call.
It just underscores an old business adage - don't screw your subordinates, literally or figuratively.
Who, Dorrell or Petrino?
Maybe it was a good deal.
Can you blame him? If I'm Petrino, I wouldn't want someone mudslinging either.
Or rooting around in it for that matter.
Kudos to Jeff Long on making a tough, but right decision. Love the quote as well, "no individual is bigger than the team!" I wonder where he got that from.
I hope that punani was worth it...all 16ish Million Dollars of it...
Well she's probably not a porker, and she clearly doesn't mind older sausage, so that's gotta be worth something.
Just look at this guys track record which has been pretty well documented in this thread alone. He has serious charachter issues bottom line. The question is do you think any other college program will take a chance on him? My guess is maybe a desperate one. Conference USA caliber maybe. But I really can see him landing another BCS job. I don't see how any AD could take the chance. You get fired from the most unethical conference in college athletics for unethical behavoir...thats pretty bad. Anyone else see him landing another college job, honestly?
I'll summarize their sentiments:
"Petrino is a complete scumbag, and we know he's a scumbag, but gosh darnit he wins football games and that's all we care about. Go Razerback!"
Pretty absurd. As long as he brings home the bacon, they don't care what he does.
That's what they get for hiring a known sleazeball. Enjoy your return to irrelevance.
Bobby will not be getting any trim for a while.
Petrino didn't exactly burn up the recruiting trail in 2012, which is one of the reasons I don't count him as one of the elite coaches in the country. I think he's very good, but I can think of at least 15 coaches I would rather have than him. He did a decent job at Louisville against pretty weak in-conference opponents and was so-so against mostly not real good teams in bowls. I can really blame him for the weak schedule this past year (outside of LSU and Alabama, of course). But what are the two signature wins? Against Texas A&M. Who didn't beat A&M last year? And Kansas State who did manage to eke out a lot of very close victories, but the convincing games were losses.
They would have smoked us last year. He did much better than Rich Rod. They have some serious weapons. I lived in Maumelle Arkansas last year before moving to Nebraska, and they have some awesome recruits. I thank the good lord for Coach Hoke!
We would like to inform you that the dude who replaced you was way better than you, but was sleazy in ways that even the SEC doesn't condone. We would like you to come back and return us to our rightful place as only scholarship sleeze.
Needs more giggity.
already looked like complete pieces of dogshit with zero integrity. The last thing they needed was Jeff Long's decision-making skills make them look even worse.
There wasn't another decision to make in this case. This was it. So I do find it strange to praise someone for exercising plain jane vanilla common sense. I guess it's just an unfortunate product of the times we now all live in. It's so fucking scarce, we're somehow all amazed to witness good judgement when it happens.
Some interesting and outrageous rumors were floating around the Arkansas message boards leading up to Petrino's firing:
I especially like rumor # 17:
17. The accident happened because Dorrell's fiance forced Petrino off the road, then beat the crap of of Petrino, thus explaining Petrino (sic) extensive injuries while Dorrell is apparently ok.
for young men like our own Ryan Mallett? "I'll be there for him."
I'm hoping this frees up Jamel James to consider Michigan now. He's a very very good looking powerback.
For those that might still be interested in this story, cell phone records have been checked and they say Petrino and Dorrell exchanged more than 4,300 text messages and nearly 300 phone calls over the past seven months, including game days. ..
Petrino and Dorrell spent 5 hours texting each other the day before Arkansas played Vanderbilt.
The day Arkansas beat Troy, the two exchanged 70 texts. They exchanged 26 texts the day Arkansas beat Mississippi State but just four following the Razorbacks' loss to LSU.