The first of what will likely be many PSU players is reported to have commited to another team. Safety Tim Buckley has transferred to NC State. Other players, such as Bolden and Redd have been reported as on their way out, but there has been no confirmation yet. The next week should be interesting for anyone following PSU football to see whether there is just a trickle of players leaving or a tsunami.
Looks like Redd next
Most will not be Seniors I
Most will not be Seniors I assume. Next year they may win 7 or 8 games, after that, it's going to get ugly.
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True, most probably won't be
True, most probably won't be seniors. I do think the number will be more than 10 and would not be surprised to see 2 or more per day transfer for the next week. The PSU officials have some idea of the possible numbers, but they're focusing on talking up those who want to stay. The players still have time to transfer, of course, but with fall practices starting up, anyone who wants a chance to play this season at another school probably can't wait too much longer.
I don't understand why LSU
I don't understand why LSU wants Bolden. That kid couldn't find water if he fell out of a boat.
If that isn't racist then I
If that isn't racist then I don't know what is.
I feel like you don't know
I feel like you don't know what racist is then. Clearly the comment is directed towards his passing ability or rather his lack there of so far in his career. Unless this is a sarcastic post by you then I apologize.
The image is of a sticker found on all football helmets. It basically says if you want to live a normal healthy life Do Not Put the Helmet on.- Here's to those who do....
Perhaps
he is more mobile than we have seen. LSU is fond of kind of the dual threat, can run, can pass, does not do anything particularly well but is competent in all kinds of different looks. I don't know if Bolden is not good or that his skill set was not being utilized at Penn State.
You people make me cry.
You people make me cry.
You people?
Just what the HELL is that suppose to mean???
/s - Just in case
"One man. Goodbye! Hello Heisman!"
My bad
I was making a "black people can't swim" joke that evidently required a /s
Ok
You don't know what racist is
I'm going...
to have to go ahead and say you probably don't know what racist is. Try dictionary.com, you might find it helpful for future conversations.
I think
that it is clear that racism is defined as:
"A belief or set of values that results in a person rendering judgment regarding the athletic ability of another without any reference or consideration as to the person's race or ethnicity."
Wait, wtf!
I thought there had to be a mention of water as well. No wonder I keep getting in trouble.
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift
Now I know...
For the longest time I couldn't figure out why I kept getting dirty looks when I heckled kids at my son's baseball games. Turns out I was a racist!
haha
I hope you are not serious?? racist?? Wow, please explain?
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WTF?
WTF?
Exodus
I think you mean "mass" exodus
/s
Hahah.
Well played, sir!
"This is Michigan for God's sake."
When these guys committed to
When these guys committed to play for PSU, they did not know that school would not only be hammered by the NCAA but that the reputation of the school itself would be seriously tainted by the fact that it would become associated with the covering up of a child rapist. I don't think we should fault a single one of them for wanting to leave.
When these guys committed to
When these guys committed to play for PSU, they did not know that school would not only be hammered by the NCAA but that the reputation of the school itself would be seriously tainted by the fact that it would become associated with the covering up of a child rapist. I don't think we should fault a single one of them for wanting to leave.
Attrition Happens
Michigan's 2010 recruiting class has been decimated by attrition of one kind or another. Penn State's circumstances are different but the result is similar.
Pedo U maybe?
I think they just got a bowl ban and some other penalties. They also had their coach covering up for a rapist. If that wasn't enough many NFL scouts will be missing the PSU games. You would be a complete idiot to stay there if you were a sophomore or below.
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Yeah
Well when the coaches do not display trust, respect, and accountability then why would the kids stick around an institution like that. I would not be sticking around and if I had a child at PSU, would be advising them to leave also.
Denard Robinson......They're not going to catch him!
Well, let's see
The coach they committed to play for is dead. The coaching staff is gone. The program is in shambles because it turns out they covered up child rape for a decade or two.
Questioning the character of kids who want to leave that catastrofuck is pretty iffy, especially when you don't know a thing about their lives. So... yeah, I'mma go ahead and disagree with you on this one.
Catastrofuck - that needs to
Catastrofuck - that needs to be added to an official MGoBlog dictionary...
Does he sing folk music too?
Does he sing folk music too?
yes, but his voice can't
yes, but his voice can't compare to the angelic anguish of his son's voice. RIPx2
Streaming UM games early Sunday morning from Korea, since 2007
So what song
Is best applicable here? "Last Goodbye?"
The "Titantic" theme song?
The "Titantic" theme song?
I was going more for
Jeff Buckley songs, but whatevs.
Sorta
The father pushed the envelope when it came to "folk." I don't see an "embed" code for this video, but a quick listen to this song called "Get on Top" will give an idea of his refusal to be just another boring folksinger. The part where he is "talking in tongues" is quite entertaining, even forty years later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFDgtAZBJHs&feature=related
I am usually against transfers...
But in this situation, I do not blame the kids...I would want to get as far away from that situation as well. I think the reports out of State College of the "Commitment and Unity" will be tested in the coming days
Tim Buckley
Buckley was #2 on their depth chart at free safety, so this may sting a little bit if they have injuries in the secondary. Even though Buckley hadn't seen the field as yet, it means that the coaches liked what they saw enough that they thought he could back up Malcolm Willis here. It leaves them with two redshirts (sophomores, I think - working from memory a bit here) as backup safties on either side, I believe.
Still, given the circumstances, I don't blame anyone for reconsidering their decision in State College, and in Buckley's case, he's essentially going home, which must be a huge positive for him as well. There isn't a lot of time for kids to make decisionsin in time for fall practice, but if we keep to the theory that that mainly underclassmen leave if anyone, then their depth chart at a few positions thins significantly.
"Funny isn't it, how naughty dentists always make that one fatal mistake."
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And it is lack of depth that
And it is lack of depth that will hinder them moving forward, even if few projected starters leave. What happens in the next few weeks is huge for the 2013 class as well. If too many players leave, some of the 2013 class who have state they're solid for PSU will likely reconsider their commitment.
I keep asking myself why,
I keep asking myself why, with the four year bowl ban (and loss of practice time), the loss of recruiting and the reputation that the scandal has brought to the school, would anyone want to go there? If there were some unique quality that Penn State had, it might make sense. On every level there are other choices available to recruits that would logically dictate another choice.
If you were a junior or senior, it might make sense to hang around, but if you are a freshman or even a sophomore, I can come up with some very compelling and very obvious reasons to transfer.
Logically, you're right, but
Logically, you're right, but I imagine the peer pressure behind the scenes from other team members to stay is quite strong. The thing is, there is likely a tipping point with transfer numbers, a point at which many who've been convinced to stay see the program as a sinking ship and don't want to be the last one off.
They have to be selling the
They have to be selling the "You will play" thing hard. If you would be a 3rd or 4th string guy on a "regular" Penn State team or equivalent B1G team, and all of a sudden it looks like you'll be seeing 30 plays a game, you might even want to stay even more than before.
"It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach."
That is true, but it is also
That is true, but it is also offset by the abscence of a bowl game (a week of fun in the sun) and those additional practices and the lack of NFL exposure provided by bowl games.
I can certainly understand your logic with lesser ranked recruits and players lower on the depth chart but not with the four stars, etc.
When a whopping 25 pleayers
When a whopping 25 pleayers showed up as a sign of solidarity and support I knew they were in deep trouble. That is far less than 50% of the roster and even those that don't leave might wish they could. I won't be surprised if more than 10 bolt when all is said and done.
It's been mentioned in
It's been mentioned in previous posts, but that number was probably only 25 due to some other factors as well (i.e. travel, work, etc.)...realistically maybe a dozen or so more would've showed up. A good number of those left probably just want to see what's out there and will probably come back when they see the offers they are getting aren't on par with what they received in high school. When all is said and done I only see 10 leaving at most, which would be signifcant, but certainly not as bad as some of the predictions of 10+ leaving
Buckley
Buckley is from Raleigh, so his transfer isn't exactly shocking. He was also an invited walk-on who had worked his way up the depth chart. He'll be on scholarship at NCSU.
That said, I disagreed with Brian's belief that the transfer list would be limited. I think they're looking at 15-20 departures this year. Again...why would you stay? It's not like you can't bond with your teammates at the next school. It's not like you can't get a quality education at the next school. It's not like Penn State offered *anything* that can't be found elsewhere.
I think the numbers leaving
I think the numbers leaving this season will be lower than people expect just based purely on timing. Anyone looking for playing time is going to have to move pretty quickly to get to their new school in time for fall camp. And then there's the issue of getting enrolled in classes. I think most will stick it out this season if only because of inertia, but depending on how this season goes, after the season is over is when I see the mass exodus happening
I don't know about an exodus
Sure, it makes sense to recruit this year’s incoming PSU class, they have four years of eligibility and a redshirt available, and wouldn't be too far behind other new players on the team who went through spring and summer camps.
As for the rest:
5th-year seniors would be way behind understanding the new team’s schemes. And 4th-year players would have less eligibility than a junior college transfer.
After the 1st, 4th, and 5th year players, you’re left with the 2nd-year and 3rd-year players. They’d probably be most attractive to schools who previously recruited them, and would be the same as JC transfers in terms of eligibility.
If you have room on your roster
Those 4th and 5th year players would have some appeal. For many teams, I don't think there would be any downside, even if the reasons you give limited their contributions. As far as the players go, it's got to be tough to leave so late in your career. I would think starters would stay, backups are more likely to look around.
Eating is murder.
Cam Newton didn't do much for Auburn either...
this is a player by player - team by team call. In general due to physical maturation alone these guys can contribute. Team chemistry is another matter.
The real exodus occurs next year.
The sanctions were announced too late for most that want to leave to catch on with another team. With graduating seniors and underclass attrition, you can expect next year to be truly brutal for them.
Clarity
Think of your child going there. Coach that recruited you covered up for a rapist, and is dead. The college is now called Pedo U by everyone outside the big ten (at least here in Florida, so yes I am assuming). The NFL scouts will rarely be around. The smart players will be gone and you will be getting pounded. Jay Paterno will have his hand in the cookie jar stirring stuff up. The coaching staff is new. The games won't be on TV for family to watch. You won't go to a bowl game ever. I could go on forever, but these are points I can think of quickly. It is crazy to me anyone on here would post that kids should stay for the "team". Joe didn't ever think of the "team".
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Bolden
I just read that [Rob] Bolden was released of his scholorship on Monday.
[ED:BISB - Edited to avoid confusion about Joe. Joe is staying. All is well with Joe.]
2013 Final Four; National Runners Up.
Sounds like he enjoyed his visit to USC. Also, I read that Bolden's name is no longer on PSU's online roster. I imagine between 5-10 players will leave when it's all said and done.
"This is Michigan for God's sake."