I heard Saban...
I heard Saban...
that Nick Saban is seriously interested in the job.
of Saban to PSU is Pennlive, which is basically Mlive for PA. It's completely fabricated. Read the BSD post that Brian linked to today.
There's a flight on its way from Tuscaloosa to State College that people are tracking.
(ok fine not serious)
It was an obvious joke that started the rumor. Part of the post referred to Saban's closest friends while he was at MSU; Tom Izzo and Mark Dantonio.
If Meyer ran away from Saban once, and then ended up with him in the same division?
wow...Bill Martin thinks this search is bumbled...admittedly for much different circumstances, but jesus, you can't find ANYONE who wants that job?
I don't think they've messed up the search - they're selling a commodity nobody want to buy.
I don't understand why they don't just give it to Bradley - I assume that his continued presence at the school means they think he didn't have anything to do with the scandal, as everyone else implicated has been axed. Given then, just let him do it. He's a good coach, he's essentially been the HC for 5 years anyway.
about the reaction they'd get by keeping Bradley from people who think it means they're not serious about cleaning house in the wake of the scandal. If I were them, I wouldn't trust national media figures to appropriately distinguish between Bradley and coaches who have been more directly implicated.
I certainly see your point, but "people and the media are idiots" are always, to me, a crappy reason to do things. Of course, I'm the guy that thought that people would be above talking about MICHIGAN MEN with Rodriguez.
You'd think that if Penn State thought Bradley was involved, he'd be gone. His presence, I assume, means they think he's clear. As such, I'd like to see them make the argument that he's uninvolved, he's qualified, and he's the best choice.
Partially, I say this because I think it would be interesting, and also because I've LOOOOONG thought Bradley merited the head job at a major school.
...is that there isn't a clear line between "involved" and "uninvolved". It's easy to imagine a scenario where there's not any real possibility of wrongdoing--nothing fireable anyway--but there's still something that might come up later as a taint.There might not be any evidence that anyone ever went to him with anything firm or actionable, but can they be certain he never heard anything through the grapevine? He was Sandusky's subordinate for a long time.
If they keep anyone from that era, they run the risk of being dragged through it again every time somebody roots up some innuendo about the people that stayed.
I suspect they want as clean a break as they can possibly manage. They also can't fire everyone on the spot--somebody's got to mind the store until they get new people in place. And legally it's a lot cleaner this way. They can't just fire everyone without cause--but they can let the new guys hire their own staff.
I think you are 100 percent on the mark. I find it difficult to believe that with Sandusky's shenanigans, every coach on that team didn't at least hear whispers of what was going on.
All you will need is someone to even quietly whisper Bradley's name in the same sentence with Sandusky and you are back to square one. They are also starting to get late into the season as we know well from what took place with RR and Brandon last year and have already started to have mass defections. PSU is a program with major problems and they are only just beginning.
the mere fact that you and so many others find it difficult to believe otherwise is reason enough for PSU to go in a different direction. And to be fair even if he did hear "whispers" he may not have done anything wrong. I don't believe every outrageous, whispered rumor I hear either.
But none of that matters at this point, at least from Penn State's point of view.
Right, hearing from Sally the receptionist that something happened doesn't place an onus on Bradley to run to the police.
You are both right but there are instances when perception creates its own reality which, in this instance, is something to very much avoid.
They can fire at will employees without cause at any time. If they have contracts you can still fire them but you may have some attendant costs, depending on the specific terms of the contracts.
but this is arguably the biggest scandal in college football history, and I can't see the Penn State administration wanting to keep anyone around who has any connection to any of it at all. They need to be able to say they've made a 100% clean break.
I think the problem PSU finds themselves in is that if they clean house now, they don't have a coaching staff. So they're stuck. They keep these coaches around until the bowl game and possibly longer - until they have a new head coach who brings in an entirely new staff. They last thing they probably want before signing day and the bowl game is to have a football program with either no coaches or only a few coaches who know their days are numbered.
From what I've heard this is what they want to do. However, I don't think they want to clean house until they have a new coach in place.
OSU get rid of? Is the media killing them? I think Bradley for the next 3 years and then hire a home run coach is a great backup plan, if nobody good wants the job today.
nobody at OSU was fucking children.
There are degrees of depravity to be considered.
Let's see.....tattoos and car deals (which let's be honest, goes on a lot everywhere) or a coverup of a child molestor.....hmmmm yeah totally analgous situations.
Cars, cars for relatives, pay for work not done, Clarette, and a HOST of other infractions going back to paying players at Youngstown St...its WAY WAY more than just Tats..Its a systematic Corrupt Institution from the Pres, the Ad and the HC..AND the fans that look the other way as lon g as they Beat Michigan...what a CESSPOOL
Maybe I seriously am misunderestimating the stain that is the on the program right now but of the dozens of people linked to this job you couldn't convince any of them? You're now reaching out to Eric Mangini? I get the fact that guys like Dan Mullen weren't going to take the job but there's a giant gulph between him and Mangini, right?
Well, in my opinion, a guy like Mangini is virtually 100% guaranteed to fail. At this point it's becoming a "if you want the job, it's yours" sort of deal. Green Bay's QB coach? Mangini? Just give it to Bradley.
On that note, if you're Bradley, aren't you getting peeved that guys like Mangini are being mentioned as options when you're already sitting in the coach's chair?
It seems like you can either keep someone on the current staff for maximum football success but then get hit with bad publicity of some degree. In that case, I don't know why you wouldn't take Bradley.
On the other hand (and this would have been my vote), you can clean house for public relations reasons (if nothing else), take a hit on the football side b/c no coach with options is going to want to go to PSU right now, and start over.
PSU, though, gave a courtesy interview to Jay Paterno but now won't hire Bradley. Does not compute.
They talked to Jay Paterno? Man.
...doesn't mean they had any intention whatsoever of hiring him.
...you're not washing your hands of the Sandusky situation when you're giving Jay Paterno a courtesy interview. PSU embraced someone who's near-ish to the middle of the mess by doing that. You don't (or shouldn't, I should say) give a courtesy interview to someone whom you think is tainted by a horrible scandal, and if Bradley is tainted in that way, how is Jay Paterno not?
They gave Bradley the job on an interim basis; all they gave Jay was a courtesy interview. If anything I'd say the evidence is that they consider Bradley less tainted.
A courtesy interview isn't an embrace; it's a courtesy. In this case I suspect it was a move to defuse some of the anger of the Joe's-being-railroaded crowd. If it saves a few couches it was probably worth the minimal cost.
Maybe they should let the interim guy coach and see who is available next year.
they can have 2 coaching staffs at once....
Why would Mangini or Saban be interested? At least with Mangini I can make a sound argument. Saban? He would have to be insane.
Why would they be interested in Mangini? He has proven himself to be a mediocre coach and generally an unpleasant guy in every head spot he's had. And "openness" is going to be one of the required qualities for the next coach for PSU. Anyone off the Belicheck tree seems markedly unsuited for that job.
but a lot of times coaches like a challenge. If Saban were to win the title this year, what would he have left to prove at Alabama? Two time national champion, 4 straight ten win seasons, one SEC championship...he's pretty much done all he can there.
What better way to add to your legacy than bringing back PSU?
If I had not just accepted a supervisory position in my own company, I would be applying for the PSU job right now. If they didn't find someone by fall practices, I imagine that they would be near my name on the list of "totally not qualified, but still interested".
... book it.
Potentially solid choice, but when the media finally picks up on the story that Craig James killed 5 hookers while at SMU they program will be buried for good.
Yes! He can bring his son to be the Strength & Conditioning Coach.
I can't seem to generate any joy out of this. Certainly Paterno and the rest of the wannabe "men" who allowed a sick fuck to prey on children should rot in hell. But the PSU fans seem a lot like us (even most of the apologists whom I expect are/were just in shock). They take/took pride in winning and in doing it (they thought) the right way. This as opposed to MSU and Ohio fans who seem to be almost gleeful over dirty play or Katzenmoyer's eligibility or kids only selling "their property".
That program is screwed and I don't think we will see the quick bounceback we've seen from other traditional powers (including ours) that temporarily fell on hard times. Don't get me wrong. I'm not losing sleep over this. Just not enjoying it either.
have you seen the support so many "State Men" gave to Paterno and the other guys who harbored a child rapist for the last 10-20 years? I found the whole reaction to the situation in state college almost as disgusting as the situation itself.
I'm pretty sure I thoroughy disrespected the "State Men" by calling them "wannabe 'men'" and by suggesting they rot in hell. The fans didn't harbor anyone. I can't deny that many fans reacted poorly in their defense of Paterno. I'm guessing (as I said) that there is likely an element of shock in these reactions. Also, students protesting in the street in support of Paterno are drunken kids (our own student spectacle related to the '89 bball championship was nothing to be overly proud of). I'd suggest that the typical over-25 yr. old hard core PSU fan is devastated and ashamed and in no way supporting Paterno (especially with the passage of time).
Agreed. Penn State seriously used to be my second-favorite team because I thought their program resembled Michigan the most out of all the others in the Big Ten. I also had a positive impression of their fans because I road-tripped there in 2000 and found them to be fairly classy and welcoming (I realize that other Michigan fans may have had the opposite experience). This scandal and the reaction to it have made me totally lose respect for Penn State. I find it mind-boggling that so many PSU fans are defending JoePa's inaction to the extent that they won't even acknowledge he made a mistake.
It's never been a great site, but I can't even read it these days. I've been stunned by the amount of their commenters' denial, rationalization, and outright fabrications.
Whoever they hire I hope they take their sweet time deciding. Every day brings us closer to Armani Reeves.
the further PSU falls, the weaker that division becomes.
Wisconsin looks to be establishing themselves and OSU we knew was never going to be down and out. This opens the door for a team like illinois to rise up with the right coaching hire.
Plus, I doubt PSU tanks. Maybe they have some mediocre years but there are enough kids in PA that grew up on PSU football that they should be ok. Personally I think PSU should get the death penalty for this but I thought OSU would get the exact same penalties as USC.
Maybe with the new B1G-Pac12 cooperation we can convince ND to join by promising we will boot out PSU. ND for PSU is a clean swap given the current divional alignment.
would be the perfect hire. The children could run away from him.
Mangini =/= Mangino.
...is that if you ever learned Latin you know that Mangini is a plural form, when in fact Mangino makes two of him.
Bradley may well be a terrific guy. But I just don't see how the brass can hire any coach who worked under Joe. There's just too much smoke.
Not that I ever like agreeing with Barry Switzer, but his comment that everyone on the coaching staff knew about Sandusky is probably true.
Nobody that has either a head coaching job right now, or the prospects of one within a couple years, would ever take the PSU job. Pile the scandal on top of the well-known pitfalls of following a legend, and the job is pure poison.
= Mark Mangino, correct? I'm pretty certain Eric Mangini can out run Mark Mangino.
Well, this guy is available...
...and it's not like a show/cause would be a problem; given the new familiarity with hearings in State College.
i hate that fucking picture.
I love that pic now that the chips have fallen. The guy is a whore...full of false modesty and drunk with ambition. The pic sums it up perfectly.
I have seen better versions of that picture elsewhere.
PSU just needs to suck it up and hire a coach that may not be qualified but will without a doubt say "yes" to the job. If the guy works out then great, if not they can hire someone new when their job is actually one that coaches want again.
accepted -- and rejected -- the job yet?
i would try and hire an ex player, not involved with the program the past several years, in an effort to uphold tradition without the baggage. a matt millen type, but not matt millen.
is that you have to go back a long way to avoid the baggage. You have to go back 12 years just to get to the guys that played under Sandusky. You have to go back 52 years to get to the guys that pre-date him.
... I can't think of anyone more qualified at this point than Luke Fickell. He's got experience running a B1G-level program, if only briefly, and lord knows he's got plenty of experience getting a program through a period of scandalous disarray.
I don't see Luke leaving OSU right now for another B1G school. If he leaves, it's for a Big East or MAC school where he can focus on winning and building a reputation (for something other than caretaking programs going through major scandals).
Even aside from the Sandusky thing, once the NCAA starts fishing around, there will be sanctions. Penn State's reported one secondary violation in the last 10 years. There is no way in hell that a school Penn State's size doesn't commit secondaries on a regular basis.
They may look to an NFL coach who's looking for a job, particularly if such a coach has a modicum of experience at the college level.
not far from the Everglades...
His contract extension at the U means nothing.
Hard to believe that Miami could have less turmoil than Penn State after all of the NCAA violatons came to light earlier this year.
Outside of NCAA rules, do you really think that what happened at PSU and what happened at Miami are comparable?
That was my point.
I think Golden would be a good choice. He's an alum, but he was never directly coached by Sandusky. He was an assistant there but only for one year, after Sandusky retired. He could also leave Miami and not look like a Todd Graham asshole, given the fact that he was blindsided by the epic NCAA scandal brewing there.
I'm surprised I haven't heard his name tossed around the rumor mill. Penn State may be going overboard in its effort to make a clean break.
he practically begged for the job before Miami. Rumor was that he was told next hire would have no ties to Joe. That was before the who children thing erupted. Renegotiating with Miami was a 'thanks,but no thanks' for psu.
the only rumors I'm hearing are b list guys. Amaker like hires that are safe. Everyone else is turning them down. Even schiano would rather stay at rutgers.
zook is available?
In the end, they may have to give the job to Bradley because they won't be able to find anyone else even remotely qualified who is willing to go near it. They'll then fudge the results of their investigation to show that Bradley barely knew Sandusky and had no reason to know about any of what went on.
Unfortunately Penn State appears not to be considering any of them:
John Hufnagel , PA product, former PSU QB 1970-1972, CFL star, current HC of Calgary Stampeders. Nice coaching record in the CFL here.
Mark Farley (Northern Iowa). No Penn State ties, but consistent winner with consecutive tournament appearances at school with establish footbal program.
Craig Bohl (North Dakota State). Nebraska product under Tom Osborne teams that beat Penn State twice (1979 42-17 in Lincoln and 1980 21-7 at State College) and was Husker DC under Frank Solich 2000-2002. NDSU Bison are now 13-1, have demolished most of their competition and are playing #1 Sam Houston State for the FCS title on Jan 7.
Bob Nielson, Iowa product (Wartburg), current Minn-Duluth HC, 90-24 at UMD including 15-0 seasons in 2008 and 2010 and Div II national titles.
These guys are still young and winning quite a few games in recent years.
Hope they find a replacement soon.
Mangini? I remember when he was supposed to lead the Cleveland Browns into the promised land. Unfortunately 5-11 may be the Browns' peak anyways.